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[edit] Archives

I've moved the old conversations to the archives. More will be archived as needed. --nihon 03:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About OEL Manga

Yes, it is an alternative manga format. I'm very well aware of objections from the fan community. Nevertheless, they follow the very same type of manga formmating as described in the Manga Format section of this article. KyuuA4 07:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] external links?-- tutorials pages

what would define a tutorial page link? i submitted one not but an hour ago, and someone erased it. the site was gaining a large amount of popularity, and is now a hub of sorts for the japanese artist, with user submitted tutorials. at least, its better than how to draw manga site. much more origional in my sense, but then again, that is my sense, my opinion. at least, who and why are they changing it? i really dont want to get into some war with someone over a link. heres teh page http://www.mangarevolution.com Pandy 20:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iwishiwashere (talk • contribs) 20:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

There have been huge link spamming problems on this page, so if you post a link without first bringing it up here, it is likely to be removed without getting a glance. That said, I think three tutorial links is a nice number and the site you linked to doesn't splatter my screen with ads, so I guess we can leave it in. Shinobu 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fans of Manga?

That section really should be removed it sounds like an unsupported opinion by someone who sits on a blog all day writing about how much they dont like people who like manga with out much reason about it. 220.253.99.140 06:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of "The manga style" section

Actually, it is best to keep it. While it explicitly says that manga style is non-definite, like any other art medium, it expresses the viewpoint of many voices - that manga is not limited to Japan. The quote from Tokyopop CEO sums it up. KyuuA4 08:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, but that quote comes from a fool. Manga is not a "lifestyle". Manga is "Japanese comics" - as in, you know, comics from Japan. If it's not from Japan, but uses moe style, it's simply moe-style comics, not Manga. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.1.130.41 (talk) 19:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
"Ugh, but that quote comes from a fool. Manga is not a "lifestyle". " Tell that to a mangaka. KyuuA4 21:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I have removed this section for multiple reasons:

  • First of all, this is no set "manga style". Most of this section is only talking about the moe style of manga, which is what we English speakers are most used to seeing.
  • The section is too listy. See WP:LAUNDRY.
  • Completely unreferenced and violates WP:OR.
  • Not notable enough for the subject at hand. Clutters up the article and draws focus away from what's important.

I have replaced the section with the "Manga as a style" as a style section. The old section can be viewed here. It may contain information that can be reworked into the article, but should not simply be readded.--SeizureDog 06:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think the elided section is large enough and interesting enough to deserve its own article: Manga iconography. To a westerner, the Manga iconography of sweat drops, anger lines, strength lines, etc. would be unfamiliar. I've seen that iconography over a very wide range of manga types, not just moé. I will note that I found it very strange that such a section was not in the article. As for reference, I know Scott McCloud's book Understanding Comics had a short section about it, and I'm sure there are more comprehensive guides on the web, such as the manga wiki and here. --IanOsgood 21:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The problem still remains about sourcing. As it is, the article seems to mix manga specific symbolism with symbolism that could be used in any medium. For instance: "Sakura(Cherry) blossoms indicate a sweet or beautiful moment." That's something that's in every art form the Japanese have. "Characters push their index fingers together when admitting a secret or telling the truth to another." That's like saying "blushing is a symbol for embarassment", it's just something people do in real life. It's not really part of manga icongraphy. Also, the page needs to reworked to be 'Iconography in anime and manga', since I think they use the exact same symbols.--SeizureDog 06:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The only problem here is that a "western" point of view isn't exactly neutral, and is unnecessarily western-centric. We don't talk about how American comic styles, in the article or in a separate article. That just gives me an impression that people think that the U.S. comic book is the "norm" and everything else is different. ColourBurst 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It's very Western-Centric indeed. It's to the point where manga is viewed as Japanese exclusive. The aspect of any entertainment medium or art is -- that is spreads. The manga style is not contained within Japan. As more and more members of other consumer markets become inspired by manga, more will ultimatlely develop their own. Therefore, the most neutral stance is to view manga as an art form with a specific style and set of rules. Defining those rules and describing a style is by far very difficult. But it is still do-able. KyuuA4 17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bambi?

I read somewhere (can't remember, long time ago) that modern manga owed the big round eyes to Disney's Bambi. Has anyone heard this thing or was I just dreaming? Vicco Lizcano 14:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC) (Tell me where I'm wrong)

Might want to read the Osamu Tezuka article (though it's heavily under-referenced itself). Disney does seem to have had a pretty big influence on the moe style though.--SeizureDog 16:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronouncation

Is it pronounced "mAHnga" {like mom-gaa}} or "mAInga" {like main-gaa or mango}? --DTD

I pronounce it Man (rhymes with hang) ga (with a short 'a'). But I'm Australian-Chinese and have a strange accent. A Japanese person would pronounce it man (like in 'da') ga, with the syllables having assonance. In hiragana that's まんが or ma-n-ga. Hope that helps. YuanchosaanSalutations! 05:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi DTD, I'm a native speaker of Japanese. As Yuanchosaan said, every Japanese pronounce the word as "Man (rhymes with hang) ga (with a short 'a')". There are no Japanese who use other pronunciations for the word as far as I know. --Kasuga 12:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
"Rhymes with 'hang'"? I don't know if there's multiple pronouciations of 'hang' or what, but that's completely off. That's like saying it's like mango with an 'a'. (Interesting thing I just found out though: the English word 'mango' comes from the Portuguese word 'manga'. Completely unrelated though.) I find a tad strange that the question is even raised though, considering that we have an audio clip right at the top of the article. M-W.com also has an audio clip for the word. --SeizureDog 03:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manga is huge

In Japan, comic books, manga, make up 60% sixty percent of all books and magazines sold. The reference is an essay in the Art/sociology book edited by Takashi Murakami titled "Little Boy: The Art's of Japan's Exploding Subculture". I do not own this book and just returned it from an inter-library loan, so if anyone else cares to look up the exact reference, there is where you can find it. As a side note, he argues that popular art(the otaku art found in anime, manga, video games, etc...) and "high" (my quotes) art in Japan have merged into one and is a wholly original indigenous art "movement" and calls this Superflat. And while much covers popular art it is not a Japanese version of pop art. (I hope I got that explanation right) VeriGGlater 19:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Funny, I've also read some of that very book, also from a library loan. It would be good to directly reference though.--SeizureDog 22:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Osamu Tezuka section

I really just couldn't stand for it to stay any longer and removed it. Granted, he is important and should be mentioned, but in no way does he deserve an entire section in the main article on manga. It just seems really bias to me. The removed text can be found at User:SeizureDog/removedOsamuTezuka Some of it should probably be worked back into this or other articles.--SeizureDog 10:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The root of Manga is Tezuka Osamu though being insisted by a lot of Manga critics.You must not blot out Tezuka. You should correct the article. (For instance, when it explains the movie, will the name of D. W. Griffith be necessary?) Thank you.--Azukimonaka 18:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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