Talk:Manele

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Contents 1 This is highly subjective 2 rugaminte... 3 Weird abbreviation 4 Cut from article 5 "Naşpa" 6 TV broadcasting 7 Trying to bring some NPOV 8 Putin de bun simt.. 9 "Euphemistically" 10 Tag 11 Too gentle 12 Remove personal opinions 13 "Illegally adapting songs"? 14 "CUM SA FACI O MANEA DE SUCCES IN 10 PASI SIMPLI"(even retards can do it, my mistake manelists ARE retards) 15 Translation of above mentioned text (HOW TO MAKE A SUCCESFUL MANEA IN 10 EASY STEPS) 16 New article 17 Read this—very important 18 a reason 19 Calu Minune 20 Trick sentence 21 music gender

[edit] This is highly subjective

"... their clothes usually don't match and are of bad taste and ..."

What exactly is bad taste? Who defines it?

I think the whole article needs revisioning.

[edit] rugaminte...

Rog toti iubitorii de manele sa contribuie cu articole despre fiecare interpret, discografii, poze....

Cu simpatie, Macedon19

Macedon19, this is not a discography page. This page just tries to give an objective definition of the term, along with other various facts usually found in an encyclopedia.

There were a couple of swearing reactions here. --Vlad 23:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Saracu' Macedon... nu stie ca toti sunt cu el doar la chefuri cand e beat, ca in rest...

Macedon19 is a real manele listener his culture is reflected by his alias Macedonu19 - probably he is 19 thi is his way of beeing "cool"...we must not ban these people we must help them improve their lives. They just need help and we are the only ones that can teach them a better way

Does a can of gas help?

Esti batut in cap. Eu nu ascult manele, dar asta nu inseamna ca doresc moartea cuiva care asculta un gen care mie nu-mi place. Mai du-te la un consult psihologic, intreg la minte nu esti daca doresti moartea unui om pentru simplul motiv ca asculta ceva ce tu nu asculti. kthxbb. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.120.132.92 (talk • contribs) 13 Feb 2006.

hello...my name is vlad and i'm from Satu Mare Romania. I would like to help u understand this delicate subject a little :) Not only the music inspires "bad taste" because it contains 2-5 distinct sentences that keep repeting...a lot of gramar misspeling and the song themes are the same....but also the people that listen to them:-iq below averege(prosti da multi==> stupid but a lot of them)..they dress bad...dont know how to behave in society .... think they are above everyone else and dont have common sence.Rude+stupid+bad taste => manele & manelisti. They hate all that its pure and good...make a fool of themselves at cultural events because they don't know how to behave !!!! PS:...not all ,there are some exceptions..but ask any person in theyr right mind or with a iq above averege and they will answer : "nu ascult manele..sunt o prostie!!!<>i don't listen to manele...because its the garbage of music in romania!!!" OH...and i forgot to mention.......all theyr negatives are stolen ===> the lack of creativity :)

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Vlad, you're making a fool of yourself here by making accusations you can't support.

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For this is a talk page, one must express his or her own opinions on the subject. My opinion is that manele has such a wide circle of... i'll call them fans, even though it isn't my intention, due to the low degree of education, a certain limitation of one's ability to think and/or the possible lack of knowledge of other, superior music genres. To be honest, 90% of manele listeners I have met, were simple minded, used a faulty language and lacked certain social abilities. The small percentage of Romanians who do not listen to manele, who usually listen to rock music (myself included within this comunity) or house music, think of manele as a plague, not a music genre, a proof to that is the fact that, in Romanian, it cannot be called "muzica manele", as other genres may allow: "muzica pop", "muzica rock" or "muzica house". As they say in JAG, I rest my case. [Darth Dodo]

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Merely Liking a certain type of music does not make you more or less inteligent than anybody else. Personally I am not to fond of Dance/house/garage/jungle etc, or rap, gangsa' or otherwise, but I do not lable people because they like it. This is my 'PERSONAL' preferance, I do not stigmatise those that do enjoy this sort of music. This is how it should be. Is there any hard evidence that manele fans are less inteligent than people that dislike the music?

As an ethnomusicologist I have studied the musics originating from Romania and personally I 'am' saddened by the invasion of manele at the detriment to more traditional 'muzica populara' but devising and perveying steriotypes based on personal distain for a social group is wrong. This is an international website, therefore shouldn't you be trying to quash many of the steriotypes that people hold for the Romanians instead of Reinforcing old ones and attempting to introduce new ones?

As for 'Manele' I have already expresed my feelings on that, but you must bear in mind that as an artform it is still very young, give it time it may get better, after all some of the manele artists practicing today are very accomplished musicians (Minune for example) and good musicians are rarely happy with doing the same thing for any length of time without attempting to advance their 'genre'. Who knows maybe in 10 years time he'll be releasing manele albums that even you may like Vlad!

David Adams, UK/Bucarest

[edit] Weird abbreviation

In lead: what is sg.? Not an abbreviation I'm familiar with, I'm guessing not English, should be expanded to whatever it means. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

"Singular". bogdan 14:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah. English uses sing. But no reason not to spell it out. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Like ft. for feet, three characters instead of four. :-) bogdan 22:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cut from article

Although the rockers and hip-hopers have nothing to share with manelisti(cocalari), it seems that they always have something against the other two genders. For them a person who listens to somethig else then manele is either a satanic/unwashed persons(rockers) or just stupid(hip-hopers), although the other two genres are more popular and much older then their music they seem to loathe it. Even more, each time they see one of the representatives of the two genres, they imediately get very beligerant(abusive) not only with words but with actions as well —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.125.117.40 (talk • contribs) 13 Dec 2005.

Removed this comment from the article - the anon may be right:

• • A comment, I am not the writer of this article, I would like to state that this article is highly subjective and inaccurate. Even though I'm not a fan of the genre, I think manele deserve to be put in a better light than this.

CDC (talk) 22:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The original article has a core of objectivity. Still, it presents the subject strongly biased by the stereotype and can not be relied on for serios judgement. It lacks scientific knowledge, and is far from actual truth.

I am not a listener of this music, I am a psychology student.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.247.48.23 (talk • contribs) 10 Jan 2006. dark_angel080887@yahoo.co.uk...Srry and i'm a rapper :D (but i listen to rock,house and club 2)

[edit] "Naşpa"

With reference to this edit, now reverted, Ronline left this rather interesting message on my user talk page.

The article on manele refers to the music in the entire Southeastern European region, so I think the naşpa insertion is not particularly appropriate, since it's a Romanian word. Naşpa is the short form of naşparliu, which, in its original meaning, means something akin to witty (it's similar to "golănaş", and isn't used as an insult). At least that's how it's used in Transylvania. AFAIK, its new usage in Bucharest is slightly different - naşparliu is sometimes used as a synonym for those who try to be "cool" or "trendy". The "naşpa" character may be characterised by poor taste and manners (prost gust), self-centredness, an inconsiderate nature (nesimţire), and a like of manele, which has a poor reputation. It's used to refer to those, often from low-education backgrounds, who want to appear as trendy and "up there" but do so in poor taste. The term is often - quite unjustly - likened to Roma urban culture sometimes. So, the addition has some grounding, since naşpa is used in some contexts as a negative term. The article should probably explain the situation more clearly, however. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 00:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

As he says, this probably doesn't really belong in the article on manele, but I'd say there ought to be some Wiktionary material here. I'm not sure what is going on with Romanian-to-English in Wiktionary; if someone is working on that, this would be worth following up. - Jmabel | Talk 01:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Naşpa is actually a word of Rroma origin. 68.32.214.27 00:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TV broadcasting

Well, I think almost all the stations broadcast manele:

• Antena 1 - they were probably the first...
• ProTV and AcasăTV - http://stiri.acasa.ro/19193.html
• TarafTV - non-stop manele :-(
• Tele7ABC (bankrupt already?)
• OTV - of course... (OTV is a "troll" station, their purpose is to create scandals :-)
• NaţionalTV - [1]
• PrimaTV - [2]

So, I wouldn't say that they generally avoid them... bogdan 09:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trying to bring some NPOV

I've tried to point the fact that mostly male manele singers are referred in the paragraph about their dressing style. I've removed the observation about the weight of jewels (it isn't a rule or something & I'm not sure that anyone went to such a person & asked to measure that! :) I've changed the "always" to "usually" when talking about cars. Then in the Public opinion section I've added info about Romanian TV programs for the New Year's Eve (actually, I witnessed them) and about something that I did not witnessed, but heard reports about it. Finally, I've removed the External Links sections, as they contained only Anti-Manele information. I would agree with such links if there were at least 3 other links pro-manele (or related to the article, as this is entitled Manele & not Anti-Manele). --Vlad 23:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoa! This is an active discussion page. Just letting you all know that I added the CBC audio podcast (just forgot to sign in). Airing live right now, I think it's a very interesting musical form. Maltiti 00:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Putin de bun simt..

Im a manele listener. Howewer, i dont despise any other music and i dont go vandalising and POV-ising other music genre pages. I just ask that somebody should make the article and put it into the right shape, showing and presenting this genre whith good things, and bad things, equally. As it is. Macedon

i understand that, but you cannot deny that most manele fans are of poor taste and manners. i`m not saying that i or any fan of any other kind of genre is indeed well mannerd and such, but at least some of us (by us i refer to rockers since i am a rock fan and i know a lot of people just like me) know when to shut up and admit that we are wrong. the most frustrating thing about manelisti is that they never sit down with someone who doesnt like manele and try to explain why they listen to manele, and why they loath rock and such. also, most (about 75% for all i know) of the manelisti acctually assault rockers if they are out-numbered. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.105.78.222 (talk • contribs).

Dear rock fan, please observe: WP:NPA and WP:CIV! Thank you! --Vlad|-> 22:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Though the article might seem biased, it's actually pretty close to the truth! Sure there are some ( or many ) that do not fall into the particular descriptions made on the said page, but they are exceptions! And no matter how much of a fan you are, it's impossible to deny that the manele singers ( the great majority of them anyway ) lack any culture whatsoever, nor can you call false/biased the fact that the manele lyrics suggest and support rasism, misogynism, violence, antisocial behaviour and all in all bothering people ( "scoate boxele in geam"? ). Ulf

-- Ulf, Please define culture. Also, your quote "scoate boxele in geam" does not support your claim that "manele lyrics suggest and support rasism, misogynism, violence, antisocial behaviour", you must come up with some evidence before making such serious accusations.

82.76.161.38 16:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)andrei

[edit] "Euphemistically"

"…the lyrics contain bad grammar (euphemistically speaking)…": The euphemism escapes me: what the heck does this mean? - Jmabel | Talk 05:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You're on Wikipedia, mate! Search! Or go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism !

[edit] Tag

Added unsourced tag. Nothing in this article contains references or sources.--Isotope23 15:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too gentle

This article fails to properly illustrate the poor quality of this music genre (and I'm sure my fellow Romanians who dislike the manele know what I'm talking about). A thing that caught my eye was the comparison with rap music and I regard it highly inappropriate. Romanian rap tries to awake us from the lethargy induced by the communists, while the manelisti (manele singers) only teach us to show off and be cocky.

---- Just a comment. I agree with the initial statement, as a heavy metal listener and fellow Romanian, but I don't consider that the comparison with rap or hip-hop music is entirely wrong. The main ideas of some Romanian rap or hip-hop lyrics are, indeed, related to a national "awakening", unlike those of manele lyrics. However, the means of transmitting such ideas often, if not always, involve explicit, coarse language, which is in fact the main attraction for the young ones, along with the concept of "fighting the system". Also, when high ideals aren't dealt with, the main themes of hip-hop or rap music are alchohol or drug consumption, illegal activities(such as theft or organized crime--see B.U.G. Mafia or La Familia) or just pointless swearing, again, points of attraction for unguided teenagers and similarities with manele. Furthermore, if we take the lyrics of certain songs of certain American rappers and translate them into Romanian, the result wouldn't be far from a common manea, and let's not forget the 'blings', limos, Cristal Champagne or other apparel and accessories of said rappers. Rappers and hip-hoppers, the succesful ones at least, promote cockiness and showing off as well, albeit in a different color scheme and sound.

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Actually I think the comparison with hip-hop is unfair. If you think about the lyrics of the most popular Manele and Hip Hop singers, Romanian rap concentrates a lot on bad things (drugs, poverty, criminality), while Manele promotes a more optimistic outlook on life (having fun, making money) - despite the occasional 'my girl isn't treating me rigt' type of song :)

That's all this music is about dude, having fun. And it's very good at that. It's got a great rythm that just makes you wanna dance, have fun and feel alive. The lyrics are not supposed to have any deeper meaning, the singer isn't trying to define no philosophy or teach you anything. Music isn't supposed to tell you what to live for anyway.

82.76.161.38 18:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC) andrei

[edit] Remove personal opinions

"The issue is the influence of such music and the ideeas and concepts promoted by the genre on it's audience. Many intellectuals compare it with the new-wave of hip-hop/rap music that impacts Romanian youth, but unlike the hip-hoppers and rappers who, aldough sometimes vulgar, speak about the hardships in a transitional Romania and urge the public to take action and warn about the dangers of present society and the corruption of statesmen, the manelists are, in a way, the product of a corrupt transitional environment. To them, bending or breaking the law to gain money or respect is the norm, and the self-sufficient condition to gain the wealth (and cars and the attention of women) that they sing about. In a Romania with few cultural beacons, this type of approach to the poverty and corruption problem has influenced the minds of many young people without the basic education and principles (and also the musical eduaction) to distinguish between what is good and what is bad."

This whole paragraph is too judgmental and should be changed. "...in a way, the product of a corrupt transitional environment. To them, bending or breaking the law to gain money or respect is the norm..." - that's clearly personal opinion and therefore does not belong here.

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I edited it to this:

"The issue is the influence of such music and the ideeas and concepts promoted by the genre on it's audience. Many intellectuals compare it with the new-wave of hip-hop/rap music that impacts Romanian youth, but they consider that unlike the hip-hoppers and rappers who, although sometimes vulgar, speak about the hardships in a transitional Romania and urge the public to take action and warn about the dangers of present society and the corruption of statesmen, the manelists are, in a way, the product of a corrupt transitional environment."

82.76.161.38 16:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC) andrei

i do not think that " To them, bending or breaking the law to gain money or respect is the norm, and the self-sufficient condition to gain the wealth (and cars and the attention of women) that they sing about. " is a personal opinion . it is the true . Remember songs like " Vine politia " ( The police comes ) with lyrics as " The police comes/takes all my stuff" , or all - time favourites like " mr. policeman , do not get angry / let's talk , maybe we'll come to an agrement "( aranjam ceva ) - regarding bribe . the fact that a lot of these songs discuss the nature of robbing , beating ( the enemies ) ,or deals with the police is evidence enough to support the sentence that has been deleted . therefor , i shall restore it . costin

...manele is a genre , just like any other type of music , that is adressed to the public , it's perfectly normal to have different opinions on the subject ( hate them , or love them) , i , for one am not a fan but everyone has his own taste in music , as about the lyrics , they are similar to some of the hip-hop lyrics (*the talk about money , women , cars and how "fly" the artists are) - ont only the lower class of popultion listens to them , i have seen fans of the genre even on the romanian political scene (i'm not saying they are all higly educated) , it's a fact that shows the popularity manele have in romania though the music is mostly computer-enhanced and covers of known songs (mainly ruining them) they managed to move up and make lots of money and even build influence in the political society. after all that's mostly all, that is what this music is to the it's singers an promoters... [strictly my point of view] (podo)

But, y'know, it's interesting: people tend to judge lyrics of different types of performers differently. When Dan Helciug sings "Şuţu", no one thinks that he himself is a pickpocket. But when a manelişt says more or less the same, he is presumed to be talking about his own life, or at least his own real values, in that it is assumed that his admiration for such a character is unalloyed. - Jmabel | Talk 03:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Illegally adapting songs"?

WTF? Article currently says " ... with manele singers illegally adapting popular songs from Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey.". Is this true? Is it actually illegal to adapt such songs? (I assume this refers to Romanian law.) I highly doubt it. Cite, please. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 17:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

If they take copyrighted songs and steal the melody and/or translate the words without credit (and royalties) they probably would be violating copyright law. - Jmabel | Talk 15:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm no expert on copyright law, but my guess would be that if someone translates a work into another language, that constitutes original art that wouldn't be subject to copyright restrictions. (I could be wrong, though.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 18:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are wrong. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty knowledgable in this area; among other things, my late father was a publisher.

Ignoring for the moment the fact that the music itself can be copyrighted, a translation is normally considered a derivative work: the original elements may be copyrighted, but the original must still be licensed. Properly speaking, though, it is a "derivative work" only if appropriate permission was obtained from the copyright holder of the original. Otherwise, it is a "copy" and is subject to a lawsuit as a copyright infringement. - Jmabel | Talk

[edit] "CUM SA FACI O MANEA DE SUCCES IN 10 PASI SIMPLI"(even retards can do it, my mistake manelists ARE retards)

- PASUL 1 - Nume de bastan (Elvis, Florin Fermecatoru', Englezu', etc). - - PASUL 2 - Incultura generala obligatorie. - - PASUL 3 - IQ mai mic decat numarul de la pantofi. Castigarea unui loc in categoria prosti, dar multi. - - PASUL 4 - Posesie (sau achizitionare pe parcurs) limuzina, castel, faraoanca si boraci (puradei). - - PASUL 5 - Rude-n puscarie. - - PASUL 6 - Imagine - - I. Bijuterii - Lant, ghiul si bratara de aur - mai mult de ½ din greutatea corporala - - II. Freza - 2 parti gel, o parte par - - III. Hainele - Cat mai stralucitoare si de prost gust - a. Camasa (alba sau neagra) - b. Pantaloni (preferabil negri) - c. Pantofi de lac - d. Vesta, manta sau capa - - PASUL 7 - Versuri - - I. Vocabular obligatoriu: "bani, dusmani, tigani, golani, femei, fetite, printesa, bautura, dolari, aur, parai, lovele, milionar, Mercedes, celular, inima, suflet, Dumnezeu, viata, valoare". - Interjectii: "oooooooof, ah, sha-la-la, cicalaca-cichicha" etc - - II. Sunt admise - a. greseli gramaticale - b. verbe - conjugare si acord - c. substantive - plural la alegere - d. greseli de tipul "la toti", "lu' copilu' meu" si din seria "casa" - "as vrea ca sa te regasesc" - e. versuri albe - f. rime cu acelasi cuvant - g. metafore duse la extrem ("floarea florilor", "sugativa-n portofel") - h. cuvinte straine ("bambina", "ragazza", etc) - - PASUL 8 - Subiecte: - - I. iubirea - a. relatiile: - 1. cu mai multe femei - 2. reusite - 3. nereusite (vezi parasire) - b. parasire - 1. pentru altul / alta (merge si homo) - 2. pentru bani - 3. pentru ambele - 4. moarte - - II. familia - a. copiii - b. nevasta - c. fratele - bunastare, parasire sau lauda - - III. banii - a. detinerea lor in cantitati mult exagerate - b. risipa fireasca - c. invidia celorlalti - - IV. lauda proprie (bogatie, bunastare, performante sexuale, sex-appeal, performante muzicale) - - PASUL 9 - Melodia - - I. instrumente consacrate - a. acordeon - b. orga proasta - c. instrument de suflat - d. tobe de sintetizator cu generozitate - - II. voce - a. optionala si/sau chinuita - b. ecou - c. accent obligatoriu - d. rap inclus - - III. originalitate facultativa - - PASUL 10 - Videoclip - - I. miscari necesare (pt. manelist) - a. stanga-dreapta (maxim doi pasi) - b. pocnire din degete - c. zambet cuceritor - - II. 15-20 de fete dotate care sa-si agite echipamentul - - III. decor prost (sau inexistent) - - IV. lumini cat mai colorate - - V. cateva masini decapotabile in care sa cante barosanu'

Any chance of providing an English translation? This could be quite entertaining. +ILike2BeAnonymous 15:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't intend to collapse all the text above, but I'm too lazy to reformat it (only garbage on a talk page, after all). +ILike2BeAnonymous 15:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of above mentioned text (HOW TO MAKE A SUCCESFUL MANEA IN 10 EASY STEPS)

• Step 1

Cool names - Elvis, Florin the Charming, The Englishman, Jean the Dick etc.

• Step 2

Obligatory general lack of culture

• Step 3

An IQ smaller than one's shoe size. Winning a place in the category "stupid but many".

• Step 4

Acquisition of limousine, "castle", housewife and silly children (puradei).

• Step 5

Relatives in jail.

• Step 6

Image:

I. Jewels - Chain, ghiul and golden bracelet - more than ½ of body weight.

II. Hair style - 2 thirds gel, 1 third hair.

III. Clothes - as much sumptuous and of bad taste as possible

- a. Shirt (white or black)

- b. Bloomers (preferably black)

- c. Pumps

- d. Jacket, cloak and hood

• Step 7

Lyrics:

I. Obligatory vocabulary: "money, enemies, gipsies, fuckers, women, girls, princess, drink, dollars, gold, cash, love, millionaire, Mercedes, mobile phone, heart, soul, God, life, potential".

II. Interjections: "oooooooof, ah, sha-la-la, cicalaca-cichicha", etc

III. The following are accepted

- a. grammar mistakes

- b. verbs - their correct form is optional

- c. nouns - optional plural

- d. mistakes such as "t'all", "to ma' chaild" and such as "i want to refind you again"

- e. no rhymes

- f. rhymes with the same word

- g. extreme metaphores ("flower of the flowers", "leech of my wallet")

- h. foreign words ("bambina", "ragazza", etc)

• Step 8

- Themes:

I. Love

- a. relationships:

- 1. with many women

- 2. fortunate

- 3. unfortunate (see falling away from)

- b. falling away from

- 1. for another one (he or she - gay included)

- 2. for money

- 3. for both

- 4. death

II. Family

- a. children

- b. wife

- c. brother - wellbeing, falling away from, praise

III. Money

- a. possession in exaggerated amount

- b. conspicuous consumption

- c. the others' envy

IV. self-praising (wealth, wellbaing, sexual performance, sex appeal, musical performance)

II.Voice

- a. optional and/or on a forced tone

- b. echo

- c. obligatory accent

- d. rap included

III. Optional originality

[edit] New article

I have added an article with a decent and civil content regarding the tagline Muie Maneliştilor adopted by the manele contesters.Ex Pluribus Unum 09:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I've placed my comment preemptively opposing deletion of this article on its discussion page. (Even though I disagree vehemently with the concept of the article.) +ILike2BeAnonymous 18:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Read this—very important

hi the first thing i want to write is that manele is NOT a music style -belive me: i have heared enough of them so i am sure about it.

the second is that they inspire a lack of culture to young generations and have realy bad taste in chlotes. they sing only about drink women enemies money

for example one of the most imoprtant manelis Adrian the wonder child said about the akropolis in athen that is a place where the bosses were living and having cool houses. he didn't understant the cultural importance of that place.

also for them "For them a person who listens to somethig else then manele is either a satanic/unwashed person(rockers) or just stupid(hip-hopers),"

and try not to understand that we must kill them or something like this just not to lisen and try to understand that manele is NOT a music style .

Thank you for sharing that with us, dearie. But sorry, no: manele is definitely a style of music. Just one that, apparently, you don't like. So noted. +ILike2BeAnonymous 00:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a reason

manele is not a music style. i spoke with people that have a clue about music. even our teachers tell us manele is not a music style because they can't be sing using musical notes or on the thing C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C

If you have any published sources on this subject let us know, but please understand that citing what your teachers say is not enough. For the moment this article doesn't have any references, and this is not okay. — AdiJapan ☎ 10:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that if someone can't *read* music, or a music can't be expressed in writing, it's not music? That's very inaccurate, as many contemporary music styles are too complex for such representation. Listen to an Aphex Twin song for example. Could you say that IDM or Drun'n'Bass music for example isn't music?

Despite the fact that I dislike manele, I respect its right to be labeled as music, since any form of organized music fits in the category. Let's stop being elitist bastards, and accept this kind of music as part of Romania. Exeprime 01:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calu Minune

Any reason for dropping Calu Minune? - Jmabel | Talk 20:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trick sentence

"Many intellectuals compare it with the new wave of hip-hop/rap music that impacts European and American youth or reggaeton/reggae in South and Central America."

Which intellectuals? A few examples backed by references would be nice, otherwise I suggest removing the sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exeprime (talk • contribs) 16 December 2006.

The intellectual part should really be removed but there is a good point there comparing it to hip-hop/reggaeton etc since the lyrics are very similar to reggaeton and to those of some mainstream hiphop artists like 50cent and G-unit (except for the violence part).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.104.216.79 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 12 February 2007.

[edit] music gender

"manele is one of the most popular music gender" Realy... so there are males, females and manele. The later being "the most popular".