Talk:Mancow's Morning Madhouse

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[edit] Adding and/or Omitting information (Fancruft vs. Elaboration)

If you wish to delete or change some of this article, please give me a valid explanation why you think omitting information that has already been published and/or admitted to by the subject is necessary to be hidden from the readers. Also if you have an alternative to the page set-up please let me know. I'm willing to listen to alternatives. I will not put up, however, with omitting useful information because the person who wants to change them just feels like it, or feels like it's none of their business. This is a fan page which is supposed to be filled with information and trivia for all the readers to know. NOT a means of omition for purposes of censorship.

-Maddawg1967

The information is hardly useful as it depreciative; it's written with a haphazard and fanboyic tone that is reminiscent to rabid 12 year old. Not only is the tone inapporiate to Wikipedia, it's full with a bunch of mind-numbing cruft, which makes the article seem like fan-based website. The reader does not need to know what each person says and does, or a three-piece biography on the person. Keep it brief and concise.
If you still not convinced, indulge with the grotesque edits of the a hapless group of eleven years olds and then compare it to any featured article. Obviously, you notice see a major difference; if not, consider relocating to Uncyclopedia or [Tripod.com]. You have to understand that there's a difference between having enough too much information. And even though your translucent motives hint you want to help the article - a plethora of information is just going to belittle it. If you still disagree with me, contact a veteran Wikipedian and ask him/her to resolve these discrepancies. --ShadowJester07 20:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with my edits. The fact of the matter is YOU JUST DON'T LIKE THE WAY I EDIT MY PAGES! You obviously either have something against me personally or have a distinct love censorizing on what you feel the public needs to know or what you feel doesn't need to know.

1. This is about wikipedia and the readers, NOT ABOUT SHADOWJESTER!!!

2. You may be an editor on this page, but I am too. Go GET OFF YOUR GODDAMNED HIGH HORSE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING SENIORITY ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH WIKIPEDIA. I have enough knowledge about Mancow and other subjects I know about to make an authoritative contribution to this page. If you don't like it, you can contact someone else at Wikipedia to resolve this matter. Until then you can feel free to change it if you don't like it, but bear this in mind, if you omit information on this subject to "what YOU feel the readers DON'T NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING about a certain fact, IT WILL BE REVERTED BACK.

3. You cannot run me off this page or this board. Uncyclopedia? Come on, what are you trying to prove? Again, this is a public board. Not a board suited to the likings of ShadowJester!

-- Maddawg1967

/Sigh/, Maddawg, Please Drop the preadolescence derivative barks, and childish caps lock exclamatory remarks.

I've already told you this at least three times in the past. If you feel this article is so immaculate, ask a veteran Wikipedian to review it; I'm almost convinced he/she will agree with me. I don't have seniority; I'm not an Admin; nor am I an honored Wikipedians. My suggestions are derived from several College level writing courses and years and years of proof reading myriads of essays written by various children across the Chicago-land area. I'm not saying your additions are a disease, but rather torpedo the article with much unnecessary information. I've been across various Wikipedia Articles and seen similar articles with much similar surpluses of information trimmed.

Wikipedia is not a "board", it is a public nexus of information. Rather than battling it out like two gladiators, I strongly suggest getting an experience Wikipedian involved to sort out this disarray. I have nothing against you, nor am I a fascist totalitarian reverting machine - unlike you at certain times, I don't indulge in my own festering contraptions; 90% of this page was indeed written by yourself, and later re-worded/edited by myself. --ShadowJester07 20:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Rather than bashing each other like two tyrants, why not try to compromise? Yes, Shadow has a point that roster is jam-packed with information, he has just as much a right as both of us to intervene and edit them. MadDawg is trying to help the article by adding some (remotely) information. Why not just add a link to Mancow’s minor sidekicks – providing you can find the list online, and then just make some sections about his notable sidekicks. OR, why not make a subpage? Either way, I’ll leave a clean up tag so someone will remember to clean It up.
I hope I solved this dispute

This is correct. Abe Kanan voices all of these characters which mancow still uses on his show, even though he has been asked not to.

-- Feudman

At the moment, it looks like there is an edit war going on between Knowpedia and 67.135.148.79. In my opinion, none of the information that 67.135.148.79 wants to add is relevant to "Mancow's Morning Madhouse"'s notability. In relation to the "Howard Stern Show" article: the abundance of information on that article comes in the form of prose- explaining especially important events in the history of the show, characterizing some of the reasons why it is so controversial and notable. These lists of historical line-ups and running jokes that Knowpedia has removed are incidental, non-important aspects of this radio show. johnpseudo 23:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


Removed KAZR afliate per http://www.kcci.com/money/11299447/detail.html. -tk

[edit] Dr. Phil, Big Gooney, etc.

Dr. Phil and Big Gooney and some of the other sidekicks have been relocated to "Other Cohorts" because they do not make everyday contributions to the show. However they are still contribtutors and thus still deserve merit.

--maddawg1967--

--Feudman--

Hey, wanna quit reverting my addition. I am not saying anything that is not true nor is it non-neutral. Contrary to your assertion, this is not a fan page. It is an encyclopedic entry and negative items may be added as well.

Really, The whole "Mancow is best known as a Howard Stern imitator...." is dissonant to Wikipedia NPOV and Living People's Articles. Unless you manage to cough up some proper sources to support the slanted claims, it will be deleted sometime later.
And contrary to your claim, This is Wikipedia, not a fansite; please learn to use a spell checker. ;-p. --ShadowJester07 18:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

What is spelled wrong?

[edit] Merge from Freak (Wally Kozielski)

Please merge any relevant content from Freak (Wally Kozielski) per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freak (Wally Kozielski). (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-16 02:20Z


Why merge these articles? In the world of broadcasting all of these people are important and relevent. They have been on some very big radio shows and they are signifigant as inidivudals.

[edit] Merge of DJ Luv Cheez

  • Merge. Short bio on Mancow is proposed. --Masterpedia 04:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Merge of Al Roker, Jr.

  • Merge. Short bio on Mancow is proposed. --Masterpedia 04:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of Dana DeLorenzo

  • Merge. Short bio on Mancow is proposed. --Masterpedia 04:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of Kenny Techstepper

  • Merge. Short bio on Mancow is proposed. --Masterpedia 04:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images and tags

Tags and images are appropriate. --Masterpedia 14:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

  • They have been claimed to be promotional, which is not true, since in that case, almost CR any image on the internet could be promotional. Also, the images are replaceable fair-use images, which basically means their use on Wikipedia is not really needed, since people can still take pictures of them. Please see read the image guidelines, which suggests that images may not be used for decortication, if they are un-free. And also, why did you revert back to an edit with wrong sub-headers, and poor spelling, grammar and punctuation? I'm suddenly the vandal for attempting to correct something? I'm re-adding the clean-up tag, and removing the images. --Egan617 17:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do not remove merge tag!

The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The suggested merge was Do not merge.

The merge tag should stay for 2 weeks on non-controversial topics and 4 weeks if there is a controversy. --Masterpedia 23:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I Don't think the articles should be merged, since the article about Mancow, and Mancow's Show are about two different topics (For the most part). Jerry Seinfeld and Seinfeld are separated into two topics, as is Howard Stern and Howard Stern Show. Also, the article is missing a lot of information that it previously had in January, which was removed with no rationale. Maddawg1967 and I have worked fairly hard to add information to this article, and attempt to keep it encyclopedic and informative. Sure, it may have been crude, but there's always Clean Up and such. -- ShadowJester07  ►Talk  00:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The information was not all removed by myself, other contributors have also removed non-notable un-encyclopedic information. Howard Stern is by far more notable than Mancow. I'm not fan of either, just trying to remove nonsense. Stern has been in movies, made huge news with his move to XM, had TV shows and much more. Mancow is comparable to The Bob & Tom Show or the Free Beer and Hot Wings Show. (These radio shows are also in need of a clean up and wikified) The merge is to create talk about the importance of these articles. --Masterpedia 05:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Do not merge: The article about Mancow Muller has a lot of information about his personal life, the book he wrote, etc...generally stuff that does not need to be included in the radio show article. Both articles can stand on their own. --Mattarata 07:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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