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[edit] Mana's age
I removed a bit about Mana's supposed age. It read: " (although, many fans believe him to be somewhere between him late thirties to mid-forties)". That seems a bit on the high side; if he's 40 today, that would have made him 25 in Girl'e, 26 in Matenrou, and 28 when he founded Malice Mizer. That seems rather unlikely. So, I removed it. flowersofnight 00:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I heard Girl'e was his High School band.
- No one knows if Mana was in high school at the time or not. flowersofnight (talk) 05:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The March 19th claims his birth year is 1969, and the main article claims he is 33. Any verifiability in this? Calicore 14:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- No, as of now his birth year and age are still unknown. Someone should remove it from the March 19 article; I"ll do it later if no one else gets around to it. flowersofnight (talk) 19:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mana's real name
The wikipedia article for Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance claims our beloved Mana is credited as "Soshiro Hokkai" for writing the videogame's music. I have played this game, and was quite taken when I realized why I must love the music so much.
- Mana did not write the music for that game. He only wrote a cell phone ringtone, "La nuit blanche", to promote the game; this ringtone was only released in Japan. Mana's real name is still unknown. flowersofnight 18:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mana's age again
I just reverted another change of someone saying that Mana is commonly figured to be between 35 and 45 years of age. As in my comment above, this is unlikely. More importantly, it is unsourced speculation that does not belong on Wikipedia. flowersofnight 23:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I agree, it's pure speculation. And he looks far younger than 35-45. Calicore 03:44, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
No way. Generously speaking, here, I'd say no more than 35. And that's being very generous. ...phew... --; Sabi saotome 15:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mana's real name again
Once again the HoD page insists that Mana is responsible for the game's music.Calicore 03:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oy vey. I reverted it to my old version and made a note on the talk page. Want to keep an eye on it as well? flowersofnight 04:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Redirected Midi:Nette here
I don't think a page on Midi:Nette could have any information that's not already mentioned here; it's essentially Mana's private label. So I redirected it here. Besides, some of the info on that page was just flat-out wrong, like Kagrra being on M:N. o_O flowersofnight 23:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Kagrra,'s album "Fuunroku" was published by M:N. [1] Notice the label.Calicore 03:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- last.fm isn't an official site, and that "cover" looks like a purikura snapshot. A lot of the info on last.fm is comically wrong - try searching for all Malice Mizer albums and see what comes up. I did a little research and Kagrra has only been on the Key Party, PS Company, and Columbia record labels. Besides, Kagrra is not listed on the official Midi:Nette homepage [2] and never was. Another way to tell is by the catalog number of the releases. Each label has its own. Midi:Nette's prefixes are MMCD or M:N for CDs, MMVC for VHS, and MMBV or MMDV for DVDs - for example, "Gardenia" has catalog number MMCD-019. None of Kagrra's releases have an Midi:Nette catalog number. flowersofnight 05:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mana's real name, Part XVIII
I reverted a change claiming that Mana's name is "Satou Manabu". There is no official or unofficial source claiming this as his name; it is merely a persistent rumor in the fanbase. flowersofnight (talk) 00:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Ha, I've heard the same thing supposedly being Gackt. Stupid rumors. --Alcy 01:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Although I haven't edited this posting, I am a big Mana fan. As others above have dicussed, there's no official reference to his name. Therefore, I removed it from the article (which looks like for the umpteenth time). --Mobius Man 06:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
The Swedish Mana article is actutally titled Manabu Satou, can anyone with Swedish language skills fix this? I didn't add it to the interwiki list for obvious reasons. Calicore 14:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mana not a drag queen
I removed the "drag queen" category from this page. I asked an authority on the subject and this explanation sums it up pretty well:
A drag queen is a (usually) gay male who wears women's clothes for the sake of performing/hosting. They are not transgendered or trying to be real women though; in fact, a man who does not define himself as male cannot become a drag queen. This is because, rather than trying to be a convincing woman, as mana does, drag queens attempt to "cross over" womanhood and become something alien, grotesque, and comical. As one man put it, "You ever see real woman with lipliner up to her nostrils running around in a bikini?!" That aside, Mana doesn't consider himself a drag queen. Nuf said.
Also I removed the "Japanese musical groups" category since Mana himself is not a group.
flowersofnight (talk) 17:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- So, Mana would be consitered trangender then? Calicore 17:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- "Transgender" is a vague enough term that it's almost meaningless (see the Transgender article). I think we don't need to put a specific label on it. Mana's just a regular man who happens to wear female-style clothing some of the time. I'm going to remove the "transgender" category from the article as well. He's never given any indication that he considers himself anything other than simply a man. flowersofnight (talk) 20:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Moitie
The name means closer to "Myself Half", but as always, Mana's French is so nonsensical that it's probably best to leave it untranslated. flowersofnight (talk) 18:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] femininity and crossdressing...
Should the article really say that he's reknowned for that? He doesn't crossdress anymore unless he's modelling clothes for Moi-Même-Moitié. --Berserk798 21:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think it should, since many people were introduced to and (for lack of a better word) acttracted to his appearence when he was crossdressing. I acknowledged his change in style in the article, but it can be worded better (without parentheses). Calicore 19:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Almost every picture I have seen of Mana has shown him in female clothing. I changed the phrasing to "at times, feminine". Unless you can provide us with a bevy of photos of him in male clothing (which would have to overcome the overwhelming amount of him in female clothing), then the article is more correct this way. I love the way editing takes place without any sources based on information from people who clearly don't follow Mana...Berserk could have educated him/herself by looking here: http://www.scape.sc/gallery.php?artist=3, or any other site with galleries of Mana.Sophia Demiurge 00:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Speaking as the proprietor of the site you linked, we mostly have Mana's feminine clothing in that section because the Mana section is intended to focus more on his personal activities such as Gothic & Lolita Bible appearances. Apart from those appearances, he's really cut back on the cross-dressing in recent years. If you have a look at, say, the cover of his new single "Lamentful Miss", it's quite a masculine look he sports there. Also, Internet coverage is slanted fairly heavily toward Mana's more feminine days in Malice Mizer. Moi dix Mois doesn't have nearly as much media coverage as Malice Mizer did back in the day - there are simply fewer images out there. flowersofnight (talk) 03:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Its a man baby!!!!
HE/she looks like a woman but you say she /he is a man.....
- Mana has never said anything about being a woman. He's always identified as a male despite the frilly dresses and feminine appearance. Looks can be decieving: see, androgyny. Calicore 06:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Generally, Westerners are the only ones who think he looks feminine - no Japanese people ever mistake Mana for a female. There are a few females in the visual kei scene who wear heavy makeup like Mana, and the resulting look is quite different. flowersofnight (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mana at Anime Expo
Mana has been announced a Guest of Honor at Anime Expo 2006. link. I think this should be added somewhere in the article, this being his first visit to the United States. Calicore 06:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
MumRei . . .
[edit] "Favorites"
I removed the paragraph mentioning what his favorite colors and hobbies are. Not only are these things pretty unencyclopedic, but they're subject to change. Maybe we should mention his Italian horror films and curry cooking, but I think we can draw the line there. --Berserk798 05:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed some items
I took out the mention of Mana's supposed first band "Ves.tearge". So far, no one has ever been able to produce a printed source that acknowledges the existence of that band. I'm not convinced it existed. I also took out the thing about Mana's previous claim to have gone to a music school. After all, Mana's definitely not afraid of taking liberties with the truth in interviews, and if he says conflicting things over the years, I think we should just go with the latest thing he's said. flowersofnight (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article Images
Can we please come to a consensus as to what photos are to be placed in the article, and then not change them? For a Wikipedia article to cycle through pictures the way Mana and Malice Mizer articles do is ridiculous. This isn't a fangirl's playground--we really just need one picture of him in EGL and one in EGA. Maybe a third of him in dix gear, but that's not even necessary. --Berserk798 02:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mana's Female Dressing
I just came across this when I was looking up Digimon stuff and I saw A MAN IN A DRESS. WHAT TYPE OF GUY DOES THAT. I am thinking this guy is gay. I think this guy is so weird for wearing girl's clothes both on and in stage, that just aien't right at all. To all you Mana fans out there, sorry for saying he is weird but I just think so. Johnny542 18:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Okay? He's not gay, for the record and he doesn't crossdress while performing in Moi dix Mois either. Berserk798 22:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but why would he wear female clothing? Is he a transgender or something? Johnny542 02:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- What would being gay have to do with wearing female clothing? Crossdressing often has nothing to do with homosexuality. He doesn't crossdress very much anymore, but obviously he just does it because he likes it. He's also very far from transgendered. He identifies himself as a man and he behaves like a man. Maybe you should watch a live performance of Moi dix Mois (his current music project) on Youtube or something. Berserk798 03:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Man, you sound like a big fan or something. Anyway sorry for that but who knows these days. It's a weird world out there.
Anyway, not to be rude or anything, but are you a girl or a boy? I want to know this because it is sometimes very hard to tell whether my fellow Wikipedians are males or females.
Johnny542 05:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
... I'm male. Berserk798 07:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay sorry. Johnny542 07:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Why? What does that even mean? Berserk798 20:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know, I got a little crazy that time. Johnny542 02:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mana's instruments
This article says that he plays guitar, synths and drums. Should it really be mentioned that he plays drums, since he never plays them on recordings and he only plays them publicly at fan events? Also, if we will include drums on the list, I think we need to add that he plays bass and accordion as well (which is almost a silly thing to do). Berserk798 22:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it should say he plays bass and drums, but i think it should be mentioned that he does not play them actively in malice mizer or moi dix mois. (-ruka-seraph- 08:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC))
