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[edit] "Model of racial harmony"

The last sentence of the lead section says: "Nonetheless, Malaysia is considered to be a model of racial harmony." The sentence was added by me (see diff), and it got removed a quite number of times for two months.I am quite tired of this "racial harmony" revert war. Any comments? --Joshua Chiew 15:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Leave the sentence out. First, its hard to prove anyway unless you can provide an external (and respected) citation that says exactly that (got to stick to WP:V policies). Secondly, there is as much evidence to disprove such a claim (starting with the May 13 incident and later). Without strong verified support to back up such a claim, it will be regarded as non-neutral point of view and reverted. And rightly so, I must add. --Epanterias amplexus 18:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that sentence should not be included. There is no proof of who made the quote, and also its best to leave out touchy comments like that one. Cavingliz

How can there be harmony if more than century old Hindu temples are destroyed? Please explain!! 62.58.72.211 12:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Just read 100yrold-temple-razed-in-malaysia 62.58.72.211 13:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It's more about illegal construction rather than religious intolerance. A mosque also has been demolished due to no documentation [1]. __earth (Talk) 13:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The Hindu temple was more than 100 years old (It was builded in colonial times). There are not many more than 100 year old buildings with proper documentation. And why was it destroyed after all this time? To me it seems a case of growing intolerance. After more than 100 years you expect some kind of implicite legalisation. And did the destruction of the Mosque increase the harmony? 62.58.72.211 15:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Nope. the mosque destruction does not increase harmony. But it's important to differentiate the cause. Illegal construction and religious intolerance are two different issues. Besides, the authority is providing new site for the temple. Nonetheless, unless the "harmony" sentence is cited, it's better to leave it out. __earth (Talk) 15:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Malaysia a model of racial hormony? NO...i totally disagree, there's no evidence that support the 'non-neutral point of view', beside I am also a Malaysian and had experienced something that is not 'racial harmony' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.50.172.148 (talk) 12:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Malaysians still live harmony together though there are some small racial problems. Still no racial war.. We really are live with harmony together unlike other multiracial countries. Izzudin 16:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southeastern Asia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southeastern Asia whose scope would include Malaysia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it better to be called Southeast Asia? It is very rare to use Southeastern Asia.Zack2007 16:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Only used that phrase because that's the UN's designation of the area. If and when the project takes off, I agree Southeast Asia is probably the more standard usage, and that probably will be what the project is officially called. Badbilltucker 18:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

How is East Malaysia linked to Peninsular Malaysia? There are more than 600Km of sea between them, and I'm pretty sure that air transport cannot be afforded... Are there any ferry boats? Cheers

Cheers. Well, they used to be a ferry link between the two by the Feri Malaysia service in the 80s from Port Klang in the west coast and Kuantan in the east coast to Sabah and Sarawak. Then the company went bust. Now the only option is by air. First through Malaysia Airlines then by the budget airline Air Asia. I believe that most air traffic now are through the Air Asia network due to the routes rationalization and cheaper fares most of the time. --Bukhrin 07:59, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind answer, Mr. Bukhrin! I cannot tell actually wether this is a problem or a gift to Malaysia: the isolation must keep people from Borneo in Borneo. What I know from Malaysia is that the continental part is very rich like an "Asian Tiger"; whereas poor Borneo relies mainly on exportation of raw materials. In my country, Brazil, as well as in many other countries, historically people from poor regions go to the wealthier ones by land; in our case, sometimes even in the most precarious lorries, the cheapest way of getting from one place to another. Well, I'm sure that although getting Malaysians together is important for national integrity, it may represent a problem for wealthy Peninsular Malaysia as unqualificated people would migrate to Kuala Lumpur and eventually get unnemployed. So here are a few more questions: Is there a great inequalty between these parts of the country that would justify my thoughts? Are "Borneans" able to afford plane tickets and migrate in a large scale? Or would they rather stay in the island? I'm asking that because my country suffers from an enormous social inequalty, so I could never imagine how such a large geographic separation like that would work out! Cheers! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.58.225.237 (talk) 00:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC).
I would like suggest that if you ask at Reference desk, you will get better answers. Besides, a talk page is supposed to use to discuss how to improve the article, not to ask for information or personal opinions (see WP:NOT). Lastly, remember to sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~). Hope this helps. --Joshua Chiew 01:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Mr 201.58.225.237, though Joshua is right, I would like to share the fact that Malaysia is a federation. The Bornean Malaysian states have considerable power on immigration, not the federal government, per Schedule 9 of the Constitution. Talking about inequity, Malaysian Gini Coefficient, the measure of inequity is about 0.4++. If you want to compare inequity between Malaysia and Brazil, you might want to find Malaysian and Brazilian Gini coefficients. __earth (Talk) 03:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Joshua Chiew and Mr. Earth, thank you for your answers. I admit that I am wrong by using this page for these purposes, but it is more unlikely of being answered in the reference desk. I think that the information I seek is very important, since Malaysia has an enormous gap between two considerable pieces of land and population, and there is absolutely nothing about this subject on the Malaysia-related english articles. Actually I was planning to delete this topic when I got answered, but in some way, this is a debate about its content. I took my time to check the GINI indexes and although Malaysia has more income equalty than Brazil, it still is a rather considerable GINI index, so I still cannot imagine how Malaysia could actually work out with such an unique geography, even with separate federations. I do not intend to compare our countries though, I just used mine as an example. I am very sorry if I caused this impression; as a matter of the fact comparing Brazil to Malaysia would be a complete waste of time since our country is sunked in political corruption and has very little economic growth, while Malaysia is one of the envies of the world. Cheers! :) 201.78.13.7 19:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Malaysian Cannot afford air travel from the east to the peninsular? No, I disagree...domestic travel between the two are available and is considered as reasonable. Beside, Malaysia is no 'weak 3rd world country' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.50.172.148 (talk) 12:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Malaysia's official religion

hi, guys, i found out that Malaysia does not have any official religions. Islam is not an official religion of Malaysia according to the Article 3 of the Federal Constitution.[2] i believe Islams was said to be an official religion due to majority of malaysians are muslims. however, i would say that Kelantan's official religion is Islam as it is under the govern of PAS, which is an Islamic Party. Kelantan is also the only state where it restricts almost all the entertainment, male and female to be separated in queue while paying at counters of the supermarkets, and issueing warning to women who have been dressing little or exposing themselves in the public. For years, PAS always mention their mission is to turn Malaysia into Islamic Country. if Malaysia is already an Islamic country, i guess PAS wont declare such mission. i think it is againts the Islam as well as bringing insult if we were to compare Malaysia with the REAL Islamic countries in middle east. Mike86 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Article 3 of the Federal Constitution are:
“ Islam is the religion of the Federation, but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation. ”
Though 'official' is not in the sentence, but it is understood. It is one of the social contract signed by the BN while achieving Merdeka. Kota Bharu is declared by PAS as Islamic city because they do not agree with the Federal government principle regarding Islam (PAS wants to practice a stricter version of Islam). If you can see, many policies in Malaysia has been influenced by some Islamic policy (while trying to address the sensitivity of non-Muslims) (Sharia law to Muslims, etc). At the status quo, Islam is still an official religion with the other religions can be practiced freely.--Zack2007 13:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Being the religion of the federation gives it official recognition of a special status. Also, to Zack2007, no social contract was ever signed, neither by any one of the Alliance members, nor anyone of note. It's not an explicit concept, that. Whodhellknew 16:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

We cant use the word "understood" Zack as Malaysia has never declared their official religion is Islam or Malaysia is an Islamic Country. If it was, we would have a lot of problems. u may not be able to see women dress sexy in kelantan but in other places of malaysia, like KL is the one. i believe if Malaysia's official religion is Islam, they would restrict such act of "dressing sexy" or any act againts islam, including non-halal food to be totally banned in malaysia, so as to uphold the official religion which is Islam in Malaysia. i could also see that malaysia's artists would have problems, famous singer like Siti Nurhaliza, etc. I dont think i need to elaborate more on malaysia artists. I think this is a very important issue to discuss before creating more confusion or wrong information to the readers about Malaysia. i would contact Malaysia government regarding to this problem and to ask for clarification. Mike86 3:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Islam is an official religion in Malaysia is to be interpreted on how the government has the obligation to protect the integrity of Islam. Thats why we have JAKIM, JAIS, JAIK etc. That's what i meant by policy. Islamic principle in a government doesnt mean to enforce all those done by Kelantanese PAS as in Islam there is Qias law which enable a government to do what is right for its citizen. PAS enforces rules as it focuses on stricter law. By it, it doesnt guarantee PAS's Kelantan is a better islamic city than the rest of Malaysia. Do you think by restricting all those will enable Kelantan to be a better state then the rest? and by wearing tudung, it doesnt make the person to be a better Muslim then those not wearing one.
  • Your comments:
    • 'if Malaysia's official religion is Islam...banning of non-halal food' - Why banning the non-halal food making Malaysia more Islamic? Islam considers non-muslims too. During the prophet's time, Muhammad never enforces banning them at all. He advised the Muslims to care for what they eat.
    • 'Siti Nurhaliza' - what really is your understanding of a country who has Islam as an official religion? Those with opressed women, no democracy, no freedom? is that Islamic at all? Islam enforces on religious freedom and freedom in religion. If Siti does not want to wear tudung, it is up to her. Please read this article from NST taken from Malaysia Today [3]

As it stands, Islam is still an official religion of Malaysia. The integrity of Islam is protected by the government. (there is no government organisation set up to protect other religions such as Christian etc) --Zack2007 14:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:OR. __earth (Talk) 08:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

conclusion, Official religion of Malaysia is Islam. But in Malaysia its self is not sure whether or not its Islam. By putting the status, official, meaning, the government adapt Islamic value into the government. For example, stop meeting when the time to pray come. --Towaru 13:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Despite not having the word "official religion" in the Federal Constitution, one would be hard pressed to find a constitutional interpretation that does not acknowledge the official status of Islam either by operation of law or by convention. The support of Islamic institutions and propagation by public funds is specifically mentioned throughout the Constitution and the implicit granting of a preferred status for Islam is also obvious. Moreover, the framers of the Constitution (Reid Commission) had the intention of institutionalising Islam's official status in the Federation. This is a matter of public record.
This, of course, doesn't preclude the possible debate of this matter in the future but Wikipedia is concerned with the current status, and not on partisan opinions or agendas. -- Bob K 16:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem at Malaysian

There is currently a buildup of over 750 ambiguous links at the Malaysian disambiguation page. This is an extremely large number - actually, it is roughly double the largest number of ambiguous links of any other page on the English Wikipedia. Fixing the links requires the editor to distinguish between links that are intended to refer to Malay people from links that are intended to refer to the person's nationality or an aspect of the Malaysian nation (which should be generally be directed to this page). Can some editors who have a good understanding of the human geography of the region volunteer to correct the links? Dekimasu 05:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Many of those links were placed by Baryonic Being on 24 Dec . Many of the links are irrelevant and unnecessary. If someone knows how to do it, can they revert to the earlier ref list before Baryonic Being changed it. Cavingliz 13:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I think you may have misunderstood me. It isn't the references section of Malaysia that has a problem, it is the incoming Wikilinks at Malaysian - what you see if you click "What links here". I believe all that User:Baryonic Being did was move a tag from the top of the Malaysia page to the bottom. Dekimasu 13:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, I got it wrong. I was refering to Malaysia page, not Malaysian. On the Malaysia page, Baryonic Being placed hundreds of links, as I said many don't need to be there, and could be removed. Cavingliz 13:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure what he may have added in the past, but he didn't add any links on December 24th. He moved an {{unreferenced}} tag, and that's all. Dekimasu 14:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Opps, I've been using the word "links" when I meant "refs". If you click on history at top of Malaysia page, you'll see :

10:47, 24 December 2006 Baryonic Being (Talk | contribs) m (Lots of refs now, except History section) so as I see it, BB added the refs then. Many don;t mean much, e.g. 20-25 etc Constitution of Malaysia. And some of the Time mag articles are not that relevant. Cavingliz 15:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

But he didn't add them then. If you look to see what he actually edited by comparing the versions, he only moved the tag down the page. He meant that the page has a lot of references now, so there was no need to have a tag at the top of the page asking for more references. In general it is better to have too many sources than not enough sources for an article, so I think that aspect of the Malaysia page isn't a big problem. (^?^) Dekimasu 15:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Still looking for someone to assist on the disambiguation page. Please help! Dekimasu 14:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Would love to help but the internet is rather slow, even with proxy because of the earthquake in Taiwan. __earth (Talk) 15:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The problem seems to have been at Template:Malaysia-geo-stub which now points directly to Malayasia so there are now only 300 incoming links to Malaysian --Henrygb 11:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

All the rest are done now, too. Thanks to anyone and everyone who helped. Dekimasuが... 11:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Student needs help

Hi, I'm a student from Malaysia, and my teacher had came up with a topic for my oral test. I'm supposed to present a speech regarding...umm, well, I'll just put the topic/title here: "Malaysia's Role has Allowed World Peace" or the Malay equivalent, "Peranan Malaysia Mewujudkan Keamanan Dunia". Is there site whereby I can search at for the role of Malaysia? What the country does to ensure world peace? I hope someone could be kind enough to go through the bother of helping me out...thanks in advance! Cheers!! Zacharycrimsonwolf 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 13:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, we arent doing anybody a homework here, plus wikipedia is not a reliable source for your homework. and second, Malaysia had done less than Iran had done toward global peace, more oftenly its just a talk, probably unilateral multilateral talks asking for the developed nation, especialy, Israel to be nice to the world.--Towaru 18:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC) if you looking for Malaysian people conducting peace operation, I think you better check out MERCY Malaysia, if you looking for Malaysian Government Army conducting peace-keeping operation, i think you better check UNIFIL (not sure if thats the right spell), or that army who went to Lebanon.--Towaru 21:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!! Hey, I'm not asking anyone to do my homework for me, I'm just looking for a place to start researching. Even though Wikipedia is not really a reliable source (anyone can edit), its a good place to start. Anyway, thanks again for helping me out, I really appreciate your help, Toruwa. Zacharycrimsonwolf 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 06:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

oops sorry hehe, next time, i will read carefully .--Towaru 19:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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