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Contents 1 Copied from website 2 Messier than ever 3 Enrich Tiers 4 MAS Aerotechnologies 5 MAS Codeshare Partners 6 In Flight Entertainment 7 History of MSA 8 Ownership, management and financial turmoil

[edit] Copied from website

The main part of this entry is copied directly from the MAS website.

can somebody please clean up this page?? User:Mike86

[edit] Messier than ever

Yamahaboy81, this article has been messier than ever! I understand you want to put everything in it, but its unstructured now. perhaps, some have to move to a different article (eg history). please do something

The travel classes section,i will complete as fast as i can since i had to go to university.However, after completion, i will shift it into a new article okay?and i will also redit the travel classes part. Marcusaffleck 15:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Fixed, corrected and reorganized. Thank you :-).

marcus, yea... thinking of separate article for in-flight services/product/etc (i.e travel classes, ife, etc.... in one separate article). thanks 4 ur contributions :-).

Basically, the Products and Services are in one new article, while IFE still remain in the original article because it is short. The travel classes are from MAS webpage and i've reedited it,if anyone wish to edit,feel free to,but hope it would be minor changes but nor major changes because any how,i've put quite sometime on it hehe Marcusaffleck 10:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• This whole article looks like a blatant advertisement. I would have no choice but to tag it for a cleanup, and what is up with the current event tag?!? -le petit vagabond 09:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Marcusafleck, I think the part u deleted have some encyclopedic information which i found it hard to get, because that tells how Malaysia Airlines becoming Malaysia Airlines (i.e. the custom, the logo etc).. please dont delete that.. by having that, if my friend asked me why malaysia airlines is called MAS, then we know why by reading that, for example.. thank you.. Zack2007 10:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

For me, it doesnt sound so much of advertisement, maybe a little bit of modifying of words and sentences can make it sound more neutral. I believe they are quite interesting and have insights and how MAS comes about. Please reconsider your view. THank you. Zack2007 10:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• Ever since a few users have modified this page, it has become either messy, an advertisement (e.g. Malaysia Airlines Product and Services page. Do you know what Wikipedia is NOT?) or plain bad english. If I have the time (which I do not have much of these days), I would do some major modifications, but in the meantime, the entire page is really in a dire state. -le petit vagabond 03:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• well, i personally do not know how u define messy!Mesey in sense that the article of information.Second,if you think this is an ad, why not just tag it as ad? Futher more, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it's aim is to provide as much information as possible to th public such as their history. If you think these are no encyclopedic, try look at other international airlines such as SIA or Cathay,they do provide these information on their article.Why Malaysia Airlines can't? Never say that this article has bad english, if the article has bad english,why didn't you edit it immidiately?Why need to wait till today ?This article has been edited since months ago,why now only you voice out ur "opinion"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marcusaffleck (talk • contribs) 14 novembre 2006 à 18:51.
  • Seriously, judging from this comment you left behind, I really doubt you should edit anything on Wikipedia, let alone starting a new page. Maybe you are new here, but standard understood English is appreciated when addressing others. I see numerous grammatical and spelling errors, and some words I do not understand. As for the article, yes, it has been edited a few months ago, but by you? I doubt so. Since a month ago, there have been some really atrocious edits (maybe you should read up on how Wikipedia should be edited?), and the whole page has deteriorated to a level that is not even worth comparing to the Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific pages. Neither has an separate page on their products and services, and neither uses language that glorifies itself. Pray tell then, what is it in Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific that you want to add into Malaysia Airlines, but hesitated? As for voicing my opinion, as I mentioned earlier, I do not have the luxury of time. Some of us actually do something other than edit Wikipedia, and seriously, what I see here is an overzealous Malaysia Airlines lover that wants to use Wikipedia as a tool to push his/her agenda. -le petit vagabond 13:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• Okay i tell U,i'm not marcusaffleck 60.50.197.93 14:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

le petit vagabond, I understand you see that this page is messy. But don't you think you are a bit harsh when saying that marcusaffleck should not try to edit or start a page. If you think by having a new page on product and services are not needed, then say so in that page, and with consensus, the page will be deleted. THere is no need to vent around implying that they cannot be a wikipedian. and with the bad language and sound advertisement, if it is indeed that way, then, contribute, delete whats not needed, help marcusafleck, because not everyone's view is the same. Share you view so that we all have a concensus. Personally, when reading the Malaysia Airlines page, I dont think I see much of the advertisement, all i see is information and history. Please tell us which parts that have bad language and blatant advertisement, and i'm sure we all will try to edit it. Alright?Zack2007 00:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

His language abilities does not put him in a position to do any serious editing, judging from the page he created, the comments he has made and edits to other pages; perhaps he is not a native speaker of English. As for the Malaysia Airlines page, it is much better now, thanks to a few other editors who stepped in to do some serious major revamp. Anyway, the new page on Malaysia Airline's product and services will be deleted soon; the consensus was that it is nothing more than a blatant advertisement. I trust that you know the difference between the two, and I was surprised that you chose to keep the page, when you should know what Wikipedia is not. And a final point about Marcusaffleck: Why did he remove the unsigned comment tag when it was him who left the comment? And we see next a comment from an IP address that he is not Marcusaffleck; this really speaks lengths on his integrity. -le petit vagabond 04:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I don't know what Marcusaffleck's English skill is like but then, he did add quite a lot of information together with Yamahaboy81, I guess there should be some gratification. But again, I can see how his usage of english is not appropriate in many places. And, i too dont understand what he is trying to say that it is not him that wrote the comment. Pftt whatever. About my previous choice to keep Malaysia airline's product and services is because, i think there is an encyclopedic information in it, but then now i realise these info are relatively little they can be incorporated in the main malaysia airlines article rather than creating a separate page. Sorry, my bad. :) Zack2007 04:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • • No offence taken, just needed to air some ideas around here. Am looking forward to work with you in the near future. -le petit vagabond 10:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ewww...go ahead for the deletion,need not to comment so much Marcusaffleck 10:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • le petit vagabond, i believe u have made a lot of complains on this page. u simply voiced but u never act, that's a lame! besides, Marcusaffleck and other users have been trying hard to clean up and embellish this page. if you have any comments or some parts u dont recognise or gratify, kindly leave us a message and plz remember to add your opinion about the parts that u wish to revamp. thanks mike86 1.48pm, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Do you realise how ironic your statement is? You said I have voiced out a lot of complaints, after which you blast me for not acting upon it. Next you ask me for more comments about parts that needs cleaning up? I do respect some of the editors around here, but as it is, there were a lot of mess in the past, but the situation looks much better now. By the way, the next time you want to leave a comment and uphold your capabilities as an editor, may I suggest that you check your comments for punctuation, grammar and spelling mistakes? Taking a glance at your statement above, I see numerous mistakes and I am starting to doubt your standard of english. -le petit vagabond 08:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

le petit vagabond, I see that you have once again, judge people from the way they write (ie. language). You have to understand that many of us (me included) is not a native english speaker. THerefore, our English is not so good and subtle mistakes in grammar, puctuation etc. can often be missed, even after being checked. Please forgive us for that, but you cannot judge our knowledge by merely how bad our language is. I am writing this because it intimidates me from contributing to wikipedia. Is that what you want me to do? I can see from ur user page that you have a bachelor degree of literature, unfortunately i dont like literature. So I am hoping by contributing, I can actually learn English by people correcting my mistake, not by someone judging how I write. I better go ...bye...

Zack2007 09:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

le petit vagabond, once again i want to clarify what ive said. your comments and your opinions on our edits are most welcomed but i think sometimes u have to watch your language while talking to us instead of commenting our language being used in this page. nobody is perfect and if u have found any grammar or vocab mistakes, fine, go ahead and correct them. as Zack2007 has said, we are not english native speakers. And PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS DISCUSSION PAGE IS FOR USERS TO DISCUSS HOW TO EMBELLISH AND EDIT THE PAGE, NOT FOR USERS TO ARGUE. thanks. Mike86 19.42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

le petit vagabond,even tough you have a bachelor in literature does not mean that your language skills are good.Literature is a wide field,and some other contributors might got an master in aviation field or master in literature,therefore, never try to discriminate others' language ability.Futher more, this is a page for discussions,not for you to prove that your language ability is better than others Marcusaffleck 13:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Granted, I might have come across as a rather snobish Literature degree holder, but Wikipedia is an international portal, and it is important to minimise English barriers by not using colloquial language of one's country. This is the case I see in this page, which leaves me scratching my head in the things you write. I apologise if I intimidated anyone of you, after all, Wikipedia is a coming of all people with different ideas. Then again, why do some of you claim that you are a native speaker of English when it is rather obvious you are not? As for arguing here, I am not picking any argument here, but limits should be drawn on the useful editing of the page and using the page for one's agenda in the glorification of the company. Marcusaffleck, I do understand that you like Malaysia and all there is to it, but please read what Wikipedia is NOT before starting a new page or doing any editing. You might then start to think that one is not attacking your language abilities, but rather, the way you phrase some sentences. All the best. -le petit vagabond 14:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • wow, what're u guys fighting for? Anyhow, this article is really a mess. Someone should put subtopic stub for the history section. Another thing, for the corporate image, although it's organized, but not in the way that would attract other people to read the rest of the article. It's like a foot note of a college student. Try to expand it. And the fleet section is also a mess. I think we can create a new article for the MAS fleet. I mean, the table is beautiful (good job btw), but still messy. Try to explain in one or two paragraphs about the MAS fleet, like its current fleet, why MAS purchase the a/c, what happened to its former aircraft etc. I don't think the MAS airline template should be in every MAS related articles, like in the Malaysia Airlines Awards From 1998. It just make the article messy (and looks like an immature writings). I think, you can create a new template only for MAS related topics. Onboard or inflight entertainment? Which one is correct. I usually use inflight entertainment term. And you can expand this article by citing a little bit about the MAS 3000i, its recognition etc. If I'm not mistaken, MAS have a some sort of agreement with nintendo for the inflight entertainment (or is it Krisworld SIA?). But you guys did a great job on this article. Congratulations. Just keep improving it and listen criticism. Because, through criticism (although some of them are annoying like mine) you guys can be a good author. Hey, practice makes perfect.141.213.66.173 06:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Enrich Tiers

Hope someone can open a new article relating Enrich Tiers.I will create a link and can sumone put information in? Thanks Marcusaffleck 10:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MAS Aerotechnologies

MAS Aerotech. is already changed to Engineering and Maintenance Div. It used to be a subsidiary of MAS. Previously, there were two division of MAS engineering, MAS Aerotech at Subang and MAS Engineering and Maintenance at KLIA. I think, because of the rationalization, which aim to cut cost, MAS Aerotech. co. is merged with E&M div., thus they share the same admin.141.213.66.173 06:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MAS Codeshare Partners

hi, i found some ambiguities on Mas Codeshare Partners section. i cant find any articles saying that MAS will codeshare with Finnair for flight kul - helsinki. on top of that, i dont think MAS also codeshare with Iran Air and in fact MAS operated flight for Dragon Air on hkg - bki - kch sector.

[edit] In Flight Entertainment

Editors, please note that for Malaysia Airlines Select system,it should be called IFE,not on-board entertainment.On-board Entertainment can be many types including IFE systems.Marcusaffleck 03:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of MSA

(Please refer to, and respond at, talk:Singapore Airlines. Thanks.) — Instantnood 18:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ownership, management and financial turmoil

MAS is a good thesis for bad Government Linked Corporate management. In the articles, I see there is ambiguous tone about the ownership and management. In deed, all CEO from MAS are political appointed.

--Sltan 10:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)