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Influence of the majapahit empire over the Philippines.

Contents 1 what were the other hindu empires before this? 2 {Merger} 3 more detail 4 Problem 5 Indo collab 6 List of rulers 7 Malaysian history series?! 8 dates of succession war 9 Kublai Khan/Mongol 10 no history of Bali 11 Last great, major, large Hindu kingdom

[edit] what were the other hindu empires before this?

what were the other hindu empires before this? --Dangerous-Boy

See the indonesian history infobox. Srivijaya, Singhasari, Kediri, etc. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 16:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {Merger}

The content from Majapahit Kingdom is already merged with Majapahit empire, and so the merger template is no longer of use anymore. I'm removing it.

TanMr Tan 07:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Peace all, as far as I know, they were: 1. Kutai Kingdom 2. Tarumanegara 3. Sadang/Holing 4. Mataram/Sailendra

[edit] more detail

can someone put more detail into the majapahit influence around the area. Maybe put a map up and added more info links. --Dangerous-Boy

Ithink it's better to expand History of Indonesia page and template. So we could put another kingdom as well as Sriwijaya and Majapahit. I think I'll search it in my highschool history textbook.Aditthegrat 05:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem

please watch talk:Gajah Mada --SoIssetEben! 18:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indo collab

Right, let's make this a high quality article. I have 2 questions:

1. Is there any way to reduce the 2 long infoboxes of Indonesia and Malaysia history?
2. Why is this article part of India project? Well, this is not important anyway.

— Indon (reply) — 13:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

1. That gonna be tough. I prefer we leave them as they are.
2. some people in India thinks the empire ruled by Rajaraja once ruled SEA. Which basically bullshit I think. It's more likely self-glorification. See Chola Empire. So, I agree so that we remove it. __earth ^(Talk) 14:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of rulers

I added a list of rulers, basically copied from the Indonesian page with a few additions. Though they are all mentioned in the text, it's nice to have them together as a list and it makes a place for succession boxes to link, (see what I added to Raden Wijaya). If this article gets too long, it can be moved to a separate page as well. The confusing part, as usual in Indonesian history, is names. Can somebody who better understands them go through and clarify which are birth names, honorary titles, and royal styles? We should also try to agree to a consistent naming system for these ruler's pages, when they get started. Rigadoun (talk) 18:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

That is good, but I don't know about names either because I don't have sources at hand. This points to my next suggestion. To whom that has written such a nice story about Majapahit, could you also please cite the sources? pages of a book? articles? This article would not go any further levels if there is no citations to reliable sources. I can help with the citation style, as long as anybody can point to the source. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 09:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malaysian history series?!

Does this article really belong in the Malaysian history series? I think it should just be in the Indonesian one - yes, it influenced what is now Malaysia, but that doesn't make Majapahit history part of the history of Malaysia, any more than Chinese or British history is. -- Danny Yee 11:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

From memory the Malay Info box only was there until the Indonesia one was added a few months back! --Merbabu 11:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Majapahit had once ruled the Malay Peninsula. So, it's part of Malaysian history too. We have to recognize that before colonialism, many parts of Southeast Asia share the same history. Just like how British Raj is part of UK history as much as Indian history. See some of the articles where Malaysian and Brunei history overlaps or Malaysian and Singaporean, or Malaysian and Filipino or Malaysian-Thai. Not to forget of course, Malaysian-Indonesian. __earth ^(Talk) 13:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Majapahit never ruled the Malay Peninsula. Some of the Malay Kingdoms may have paid tribute to Majapahit, but that's not the same thing at all - they probably paid tribute to China as well, but that doesn't mean Malaysian history is part of Chinese history. -- Danny Yee 13:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay then. But we will need to remove the India Wikiproject too. __earth ^(Talk) 13:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought that had already gone! -- Danny Yee 22:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dates of succession war

The article gives both 1401-1405 and 1403-1406 as the dates for this... I've left the latter, but the books I have handy don't mention this so I can't check. Anyone got a suitable reference to hand? -- Danny Yee 13:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kublai Khan/Mongol

You're right, "Mongol army" doesn't seem quite right. But "Kublai Khan's army" suggests that he was its commander, and doesn't really give the right impression either. Any other ideas? -- Danny Yee 23:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Kublai Khan is a Mongolian, it's true, but the army were not only Mongolians, but also Chinese. If we put Chinese army, that would not be right either. Then I don't know which one is the correct one. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 09:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe "Yuan army"? -- Danny Yee

It's okay for me. — Indon (reply) — 10:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Uhoh as long as you dont put in 1421 - that'll set the fireworks off ! SatuSuro 10:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey welcome back! Ready to join in? — Indon (reply) — 10:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] no history of Bali

Not directly relevant here, but I just noticed there's no article on the history of Bali. -- Danny Yee 07:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last great, major, large Hindu kingdom

I removed the word great because it seemed subjective, but if there were other smaller kingdoms following it Nielswik is correct we can't simply say it was tht last. I think the recent suggestion of "major" is better than both "large" and "great". What do others think? --Merbabu 06:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Good. I agree that great is a bit subjective, but we need to point out that it was not the last. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 08:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)