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This is the fifth page of my talkpage archives, dated between August 2005 to early-November 2005. Please do not edit this page. If you wish to leave a message, click here! :)
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[edit] Thanks for your support

Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I'll be monitoring RfA regularly from now on and will look for a chance to "pay it forward". Cheers, --MarkSweep 01:33, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrity Images

Hi Mailer diablo,
I am back again with a query.I just came across a user User:Tony619 who has added numerous images of scantily clad celebrities to many celebrity pages. Though most of the images qualify under fair use as they are magazine covers but I feel that they are not suitable to be displayed on Wikipedia. Moreover in most of the cases he has added images to pages which already had an image. I have left a message at his talk page but I dont know the policy of wikipedia on such images. So, I would be grateful if you could take the necessary steps.Gaurav1146 10:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanx for the quick response. The reason that I didn't mark them for deletion was pecisely that Wikipedia has no guidelines for such images. In any case, I felt that adding such images on every page doesn't make sense. If the content of the page requires those kind of image then there is no problem. Moreover why add another image when there is already an existing image on a page until and unless the other image depicts something important. I would be grateful if you could have a look at those pages and take appropriate decision. TIA Gaurav1146 04:13, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanx once again. Right now, I am in office and I would not be fit for me to access those pages from here.I would let you know about the pages by today or tomorrow. As for Images for Deletion , i had a terrible experience with it.So , I normally prefer directly contacting an administrator.Gaurav1146 09:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Here are some of the images where the user has added an image where already another one is existing.

Charisma CarpenterDenise RichardsChristy Hemme Bai Ling Joanna KrupaLiv LindelandTorrie WilsonTia CarrereNikki Schieler ZieringJaime PresslyKristy SwansonJordan (model). There are many more but it has taken me awfully long to come with this list. So you can check further. The user has uploaded most of the images from an adult magazine.Whether these are obscene and more importantly required or not, that is debatable. I leave it your discretion but in any case, I feel that there should be some guidelines for uploading images based on the content of images. IMHO adding obscene images in cases where it can be avoided does not add value to a page. Gaurav1146 15:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image help....

Hah....seems rather rare to see you online, but I really need your advise in the issue of moving imaged to the commons. I listed my imaged in Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion since August 1, and they are still there. Did I do anything which isnt following proper procedures? Or is there a shortcut which lets me move the images without having to ask for any deletions etc? Thanks! ;)--Huaiwei 17:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Fuck hole

Hi there. I noticed you just got rid of a bunch of VfDs. While you're online, do you mind taking a look at this page, please? It's been tagged with a speedy, and I'm rather hopeful that it will get deleted ASAP as the contents are simply libelous. Vfd here. Regards—Encephalon | ζ  18:57:30, 2005-08-20 (UTC) NB. In the unlikely event that you do not often speedy, the proposed deletion is for contravention of WP:CSD A6. Thank you.—Encephalon | ζ  19:04:20, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

  • Kind of you, Mailer diablo. Yeah, Zscout Sd'd it soon after I posted here. I've never posted at an admin's page asking for an SD, but this particular one perhaps merited it. Glad it's gone.—Encephalon | ζ  05:53:21, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

[edit] My user page

Congrats, you're the first signed in user to edit my user page without vandalizing it! :P Redwolf24 07:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the typo fix on my User page. BlankVerse ∅ 14:29, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abby Hayes

Heya. Just to let you know that you made a mistake on the Abby Hayes vfd. It's not a vanity page, because Abby Hayes is the protagonist of a popular American series of children's novels - I think >11K Google hits is enough to disprove the "non-notable" claim, yes? To be fair, the article was extremely poorly written, focusing almost exclusively on the character's personal life to the near-total exclusion of the fact that "oh, by the way, she's a fictional character". And you're a male Malaysian college student in Singapore, not a twelve-year-old American girl, so you wouldn't know about the books (and neither did I until I googled). I've since cleaned up the article substantially - might you change your vote? DS 13:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Slovenian or Slovene

Unless you're one of avid the supporters of the rules lawyering, autocratic, foaming-at-the-mouth inclusionism that was flaunted at the RfC of Tony Sideaway you can't possibly interpret obne vote to keep' against four delete or merge votes as no consensus. I redirected the page in question and I would be most grateful if I wasn't forced to VfD it again after only a week or so.

Peter Isotalo 10:37, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SFTPPlus

I saw you closed Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/SFTPPlus with "dealt with as a copyvio". I actually skipped that one as I was not sure what to do with, so I'm glad to see what has happened. However, you didn't remove the VfD notice of the article SFTPPlus itself. I assumed you simply forgot it (it does not make much sense to have a link to a closed debate, does it), so I did it for you, but please correct me if I am wrong. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Mailer Diablo:
image:WikiThanks.png Thanks for support and your confidence in me in my recent RFB nomination. I'm now WP's newest bureaucrat. :) Regards, User:Nichalp/sg 19:56, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SGCOTW

Thanks for setting up the page! ;) Nut I was wondering if we should make it a weekly, fortnightly, or monthly affair? :D --Huaiwei 21:24, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Metroblogging VFD

Hey, just a quick note: When you close a AFD you need to put a note on the talk page of the article about the outcome as well. Looks like you missed it on that one. Cheers! --Gmaxwell 23:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the support on my RfA. I was very pleasantly surprised to see so much support throughout the week. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I'm learning the ropes with the new buttons. Thanks again! -Splash 00:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photography (Singapore)

Hello, photos of Singapore are actually laying everywhere around Wikipedia, (and you some of the most significant pieces of work) perhaps its time for some organisation, and consolidate into a single venue. I find that the Singapore page at Wikimedia Commons quite a suitable place. Let me hear what do you have to say. Slivester 10:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Thank you very kindly for your support for my nomination. I promise your trust will not be misplaced; I may occasionally be slightly buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) · Katefan0(scribble) 22:10, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Android79's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA. android79 15:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for welcoming me

A bit late, but still thanks for welcoming me a few months ago ;-). Ucucha|... 14:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Alstom logo.gif has been listed for deletion

An image or media file you uploaded, Image:Alstom logo.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

[edit] Re: Admin

Agree this is not the right time, that's why I only accepted with conditions. Actually I don't think the job as an administrator and the ArbCom case are related. I would consider refusing the nomination in case it is obviously shown that opinion is affected by the case. :-) — Instantnood 16:55, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your remarks Mailer diablo. I have now decided to decline the nomination, until a better timing. :-D — Instantnood 17:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

==Who's RfA== Thank you for supporting my masters RfA. He appreciates your support and comments and looks forward to better serving Wikipedia the best he can. Of course I will be doing all of the real work. He would have responded to you directly, but he is currently out of town, and wanted to thank you asap. Thanks again. --Who's mop?¿? 21:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Thank you very much for your vote on my RFA, it is now the 8th most supported RFA ever, and it couldnt have happened without your vote. I look forward to serving wikipedia. Again, thanks. →Journalist >>talk<< 00:14, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bali bombing link

You beat me linking to the Four Seasons Hotel! --Merovingian (t) (c) 14:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] dance pad sales

Hello Mailer diablo! Do you by any chance know how many dace pads are sold annualy in the USA by manufacturer? Sincerely 84.94.158.83 12:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ak-ak-ak-ak-ak-ak! Blammo!

Welcome back, O diabolic one. As an admin who happens to be up and about, you might take a look at Ar15.com. If this doesn't happen to have a speedy-deletion template at the top, this has probably been deleted for the umpteenth time, so take a look at the history page. -- Hoary 03:14, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

U r l33t! Hoary 03:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I got a bone to pick with somone about a deleted artical

How the heck do I go about that. You are associated with the artical in that your name shows up in the deletion stuff. It's about AR15.com's artical. I'm new to this whole place andmost of what looks like links and stuff to help you figure stuff out are just not helpfull at all. Could you point me in a direction as to where to go so I can log my complaint. I find it full dis heartening that AR15.com would be deleted while an artical on Democratic underground.com is not. Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Ten year series, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] 202.7.176.133 15:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mailer Diablo. I believe you are responsible for the deletion of a Wiki page for Melbourne, Australian band 'Sacre Bleu!'. Please undelete this page as there is no valid reason for its deletion. The page was not a vanity page. Sacre Bleu! is a fascinating band and are worthy of a mention on this Encyclopedia, just as much as any other band. I am a fan who has an interest in collecting, adding and reading information about this band on Wikipedia.

Regards, 202.7.176.133 15:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello!!! Thank you for commenting on my user page, in fact you're the first to do so. Thank you!

I need pictures for some of the articles I am editing. For the articles:

1. Project Superstar
2. Choa Chu Kang
3. Nan Hua Secondary School

I hope you could help me to find suitable pictures for these articles!

Thank you.

---Ruennsheng

[edit] the wub's RfA

Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub "?!" 14:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Titoxd's RfA

Thank you!
Thank you!

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Titoxd(?!?) 20:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FARC fun and games

Hi Diablo. Could you take a quick look here? Thanks. -- Hoary 04:32, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Certainly the FA-ization was controversial; it's had repercussions here for example. I can understand that somebody could object to FA-ization (and I'm even willing to entertain the idea that FA-ization was wrong), but a FARC is not the way to go about it: FARC clearly tells us Do not list articles that have recently been promoted-such complaints should have been brought up during the candidate period -- and "recently" surely extends to a single day. If the IP had carefully and politely given his reasons why the FA-ization was wrong, I'd say that his posting this there was a simple oversight of the FARC rules, and I'd recommend shunting his comment somewhere else. But as it is, with no reasoning, this looks like sour grapes. ("Bad faith" is too grand a term.) However, there seems no need to speculate on his motives. My objection has been forwarded here by Grutness, but nothing has yet happened: one possible explanation is that there are just so many damned "incidents" that this one got lost in the deluge! -- Hoary 10:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me, MD. I think all is well now. (An RFAr? I certainly hope not: that kind of nightmare had never occurred to me.) -- Hoary 10:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Playboy Cybergirl of the Week

Hi there Mailer Diablo, thank you for completing the deletion process of this page. There were numerous other pages (which still seem to exist) linked from this page which were about women whose main claim to notability was that they were playboy cybergirls. These were all created by the same person who created the playboy cybergirl page. Most or all these pages also had images from playboy which may violate copyright. Is it going to be necessary to nominate each page of this collection individually, or can an admin like yourself just go in and sort things out in one go? thanks, Bwithh 17:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Cyberspace Football League

I noticed that you closed the debates on Norfolk Navalmen, New York Stars, Columbus Warthogs and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alberta Angels. Perhaps you may want to look at (and possibly close) the debate on root cause of these four, The Cyberspace Football League. Thanks, Chris talk back 17:02, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Ta muchly. Chris talk back 01:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meade Skelton

I disagree with the speedy deletion of this article. Although it had failed AFD once, from what I can tell, the content of it the second time around was significantly different -- not an attack page, but factually written from NPOV (however, not being an admin, I am unable to see what was written the first time). The singer has an allmusic entry, with three albums, which although minor, was good enough for me to bend the rules established in WP:NMG. Please reconsider. As a side note, I have never heard of the singer before and have no vested interest in the article whatsoever. Thanks. --howcheng [ talk • contribs • web ] 18:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


I agree with the speedy deletion of this article. The article was considered under discussion and closed on June 2. The article was improperly restored by not following the rules on the discussion page, therefore it qualified for speedy deletion. In addition the talk page for the deleted article was locked because the article was continuously restored improperly in contradiction to Wikipedia guidelines. The article content recently deleted was not signifigantly different from before the first deletion in June.

The criteria for listing a musician in Wikipedia is shown below. Meade Skelton has not been signed by a major label or important indie lable. Any CD's shown were self created vanity efforts, he has not been recognized by any music label or any music industry trade publications. His entry on Allmusic guide was by Meade Skelton himself, so the Allmusic web page is subject to erroneous information. He has done nothing of notability as indicated by the Wikipwedia guidelines and therfore should remain deleted.

This page gives some rough guidelines which we might use to decide if a musical topic is notable.

Many of us who spend a lot of time improving Wikipedia's musical coverage feel that notability is required for a musical topic (such as a band) to deserve an article here. Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. These are merely rules of thumb which some editors choose to keep in mind when deciding whether or not to keep an article that is on articles for deletion.

Also, please keep in mind that the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or rant about a band's importance on a talk page or AfD page -- the article itself must document notability.

Musicians and ensembles There are a lot of bands, singers and other musicians and musical ensembles with articles in the Wikipedia (see category:Musicians).

A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, dj etc) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:

Has had a Top 100 hit on any national music chart, in a large or medium-sized country* Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in a large or medium-sized country* Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable) Has been prominently featured in any major music media Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise extremely notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. November 6, 2005

[edit] consensus

Apa khabar? I noticed you've been closing a lot of AfDs, so I thought I should mention--consensus is spelled with an 's'. :) Chick Bowen 16:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mills discussion

Are you going to go ahead and remove the tag on top of all those pages about the "Articles for Deletion"? Now that the polling is closed, and general consesus is to keep the pages, i think that tag should be removed from all the articles. Thanks!--Gephart 21:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Airkz Images

What is an Airkz Image? - I tagged a number of images from the Lino Ventura article and someone else then deleted them from the article. I will revert them back so you can see. I listed them for Speedy Deletion because they were all fronm a single article and the rule of Wikipedia on Upload File states for Screenshots it is limited to "one per article." Thanks. - Ted Wilkes 12:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Mailer Diablo

Thanks for the welcoming and information. I do have a question that I wasn't quite sure where to ask. When I write "~~~~" it writes my name and timestamp properly, but doesn't create a link to my user page, as it seems to for everyone else. How can I fix this? Where should I ask questions like this in the future? Thanks. - Macho Philipovich 19:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Hi Im Brennan Roy (Now user:BPRoy

Yes, about north shore, CA. The reason I recommended it for deletion is because 1 i couldn't find it on google and 2 It is a real thriving town on the northern bank of lake arrowhead (also in California). While her article is important, I think the article name belongs to a living thriving city. I was going to write an article about it in conjunction with the neighboring city Blue Jay, CA. When I went to write it I found that the link had been taken by an abandoned city that was not the North Shore I was talking about. I want to write an article about the North shore near Lake Arrowhead. Do you have any suggestions about how I could do that? Please respond using the link above.


[edit] North Shore, CA

Well this could be a problem. You see, though I understand that the page Lucky wrote is a real place, North Shore is the name of another place in CA. This city is not empty, it is thriving, it has it's own postal code, it is a local tourist attraction. Plus the fact that my Blue Jay, CA article has a link that is meant this neigboring city, my north shore, actually goes to a dead city in another jurisdiction, Lucky's north shore. Both subjects are worthy of a wikipedia article, but they both have the same name. What do I do?

[edit] Please undelete the following article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reality_tagging

As you may have noticed, nobody objected the arguments at the bottom of the comments page - TWICE. The negative comments at the top are older than the lengthy arguments at the bottom. If you are unsure, let's have another round of debate around this article. As I understand, at least two people who have commented on the article agree with me. Nobody was able to refute either my or their arguments.

Regards,

[edit] Closing unvoted AFD discussions

Hello, you closed my AFD nomination Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delta notre dame because it had no votes. Instead of just closing such nominations, would you consider re-listing them so as to gather consensus? I did it myself for this one, though. Thanks. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 17:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AfD Merger Templates

Hi there,

Your merge templates were a perfect solution - Just to let you know that I've started to use them in closing debates since today as a trial basis (and hopefully it all works well). :)

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 06:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for contacting me! I've seen these used by a couple of other sysops so far, and there don't appear to be any problems.
I designed {{afd-mergefrom}} for placement on the article's talk page (hence the "CoffeeRoll" coloring). My reasoning is that it's appropriate to add a large, colored tag to an article that's intended to become a redirect (just as we do with {{merging}}), but it's preferable to avoid adding such a banner to the surviving article (which generally is in no danger of deletion).
Thanks again for using my templates and taking the time to write! —Lifeisunfair 12:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King of the Hill Episode Descriptions

May I ask why you ended this with no consensus and left the content up? They are IDENTICAL descriptions to what is on List of King of the Hill episodes, only with less information and formatting. Staxringold 16:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Opera Field

Hi, I know back-seat admin advice is not always particularlly welcome. But you might want to reconsider the decision on Opera Field. Out of eleven votes, there were only four keep votes (two made by the same anon IP) and the other two by editors with very few edits. As of today, one had twelve edits (the first was to the AfD on this article) and the other has only five, none of which are to articles. Out of he others, six indicated some sort of merge. Seems pretty clear. Anyhow, I'm going to go ahead and merge the article. Cheers. older≠wiser 19:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why was the article Elizabeth V. Lodal deleted?

You left no comment, and I posted on the talk page a question to which nobody who voted to delete the article could provide an answer -- I viewed the issue as unresolved. Why was this article deleted? There was no copyvio problem (only people who hadn't read the website in question's copyright policies thought so) and it was notable, certainly more notable than some other articles on wikipedia. How does having the article up hurt wikipedia? TJHSST is a public magnet high school (consistently ranked #1 in the country) to which thousands of teenagers apply each year, while only 400 are accepted -- isn't information on the school's principal relevant? I would appreciate a comment. Thanks. 69.255.6.163

Right, and that makes sense -- however, I do not believe that the page in question is copyrighted. I guess what really bothers me is the haphazard method in which articles are deleted. The users who were so quick to form a consensus and vote to delete it did not look into any of my defenses of the page. 69.255.6.163

[edit] Regret

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Regret I don't think you should have deleted Regret. It had already been deleted, here:

20:03, 1 November 2005 Friday deleted "Regret" (dicdef, already in wiktionary)

The page you then deleted was actually the newly created page on Regret, the racehorse. If you simply meant to move Regret to Regret (horse), you should have done so, but I assume that this was a simple mistake caused by not checking the page content before deletion. - Dandelions 19:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Try googling North Shore with Lake Arrowhead and the google North Shore with Salton Sea. You will see that they both exist. Sorry if I sound curt. - BPRoy

[edit] FireFox RFA

Mailer diablo/Archive E

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks!
FireFox 18:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Birthday!

Award Wiki birthday to you! Wiki birthday, dear Mailer diablo! Wiki birthday to you!

Congratulations on your first Wikibirthday at Wikipedia (November 9, 2005.). On behalf of the community, we'd like to thank you for your countless edits in the past year! Keep it coming!.

This Wiki Birthday Balloon was awarded to you by: SoothingR

[edit] AfD 5-day standard

Thanks for your calling of the result on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alireza Rahimi Boroujerdi -- one of the many neglected task categories. I note, however, that you did so 112 hours after my nomination. That's 8 hours short of five days of time, clearly short of any fair interpretation of the "five days" of the policy.

I think, in light of the uncontroversial nature of the deletion, that this needs no remedy. (In more contested cases, i would reopen it for one more full UTC-midnite-to-midnite day -- and harbor misgivings about there being some basis for an aggrieved participant to argue that anything short of 120 uninterrupted hours is insufficient!) In future case like this one, however, i urge you to be as far above reproach as "Caesar's wife" must be, in this activity that can be among the most inflammatory that admins are called upon to perform. In fact, the interpretation i favor and strictly adhere to myself is that 5 days means the passage of 6 UTC midnites. My logic is that this

  • avoids slip-ups by letting those calling results process a full one-day subpage, based (usually) on the fact that the day of month has increased by 6,
  • yet ensures that any user can avoid missing the chance to participate in any AfD debate, unless they let 120 hours or more pass without checking AfD.

You will note that such a standard of accessibility was cited as grounds for the sensitive decision for reduction of the length of debate to five days.

I hope you'll act in the future to ensure a firm basis for user's confidence that the timing, at least, shows a conscientious concern for doing deletions fairly and "by the book".
--Jerzy•t 15:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the flame-free response! It sounds like you are an innocent victim, and that my concern should have been directed elsewhere. I appreciate your taking the time to document the situation, especially since you shouldn't have to pay any attention to whether the designation of the day was well timed. I'll take this up with the other editor involved. Thanks again.
--Jerzy•t 17:30, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I apologize for causing all of this trouble. I won't add dates every again. Thank you. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 21:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
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