Talk:Magisterium

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Expanded the article and clarified several points with quotes from Vatican II. --Ronconte 03:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Your changes are excellent. I made one minor addition. Lawrence King 05:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

It is not correct to say that a Catholic can disagree with non-infallible teaching based on prayer and conscience. Such a disagreement must be based on something infallible, such as Tradition, Scripture, or prior infallible teachings of the Magisterium. --Ronconte 12:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I think now we're quibbling over small things. The document that I linked to in our other argument makes it clear that Catholic teachers cannot publicly dissent from non-infallible church teachings (a rule which many of them disobey). Individuals can dissent, and this does require prayer and conscience, but it also requires reference to other church teachings, so your addition seems reasonable. Lawrence King 20:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I've corrected the erroneous claim that the ordinary teachings of the magisterium are infallible. This is a common point of confusion. The ordinary and universal magisterium, despite the name, is not actually a part of the non-infallible ordinary magisterium; it is a part of the infallible sacred magisterium. --Ronconte 12:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Changed to "According to Catholic doctrine, the Magisterium is able to teach or interpret the truths of the Faith, and it does so infallibly within the Sacred Magisterium." from "According to Catholic doctrine, the Magisterium is able to teach or interpret the truths of the Faith infallibly." because upon reading the original statement, its meaning may very well be taken to mean that all Magisterium teachings are infallible. The article later clears it up to show that not all teachings of the Magisterium are infallible, only ones of the Sacred Magisterium. I felt that, while one may be left wondering what Sacred Magisterium is when it's mentioned right in the first paragraph, since it is later defined, it was better then implying that all teachings of the Magisterium are infallible in the first paragraph, and then later correcting it. 12:20 10 May 2006