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This article was nominated for deletion on July 7, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

This was the original and took up the whole page of Canadian Poets, it had been placed there by mistake and I am surprised no admin ever saw it at all. I am the self-imposed Poetry page cleaner but sharsies are possible:

Magie Dominic was born in Corner Brook Newfoundland. She studied at The Art Institute of Pittsburgh; New School University; Franklin Furnace; Open Theatre and with the founding members of the Off-Off Broadway movement. Her writing and artwork have been published, printed, exhibited or produced in over one hundred quarterlies, newspapers, magazines, anthologies, theatre productions, librettos, art galleries and books. One of the founding members of the Off-Off Broadway movement of the sixties and a member of Poets Fast for Peace during the Vietnam War, she has walked with Ginsberg, given poetry readings with Moondog, written poetry, short stories, essays, and non-fiction, and developed a creative writing curriculum for high school students at risk. Her art work includes installation, collage, illustration and photography and has been exhibited in Toronto and New York, including a presentation at the United Nations.

Awards/Grants The Dakota Foundation New School University Faculty Development Fund Adolph & Esther Gottlieb Foundation Artists’ Fellowship The Shaker Foundation The Langston Hughes Award For Poetry

Selected Publications The Queen of Peace Room, (Wilfrid Laurier University Press, 2002) ISBN: 0-88920-417-9.

The Village Voice, (essays) 1999/2000. The Globe and Mail, (essay) 2002. commondreams.org, (essays) 2001/2002/2003.

War Crimes, (Ramsey Clark and Others) (Maisonneuve Press, 1992) ISBN: 0-944624-15-4. The Heart Poem, (chapbook) 1994. belles lettres / beautiful letters, (League of Canadian Poets,1994) ISBN:07xx.

Selected Anthologies Belles Lettres/Beautiful Letters, (Living Archives Series, The League of Canadian Poets, 1994). Pushing the Limits, (Women's Press, 1996). Countering the Myths, (Women's Press, 1996). Outrage, (Women's Press, 1994).

Books in Print

The Queen of Peace Room, (Wilfrid Laurier University Press, 2002) ISBN: 0-88920-417-9.

THE QUEEN OF PEACE ROOM

Donald Forst, editor-in-chief The Village Voice: "Magie Dominic puts her guts on every page without being mawkish, with sentiment, but without sentimentality. You'll love this book."

Nominated for Book of the Year, ForeWord Magazine - 2003 Nominated for The Judy Grahn Award - 2003 Nominated for CWSA/ACEF Book Award - 2004

Reviews Ms.Magazine The Danforth Review Timothy E. McMahon Gay and Lesbian Review Worldwide BookPublicity.co.uk dotlit, Australia RainTaxi Review of Books

Available: Amazon.com Barnes and Noble.com City Lights Bookstore St. Mark's Bookshop Chapters/indigo.ca Women In Print Bookstore Bookstores Everywhere Special Order

Dominic explores violence against women in the second half of the twentieth century, and in doing so unearths the memory of a generation.

Magie Dominic c/o Wilfrid Laurier University Press, 75 University Avenue West, Waterloo, ON, Canada N2L 3C5 (519) 884-0710, press@wlu.ca

thequeenofpeaceroom@hotmail.com

I rewrote the article on the main page and and it was cleaned up, so you can go at it this time, I promise not to take the slap I mean cleanup notice to heart LOL WayneRay 21:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

I hadn't noticed that the article made its debut mere hours before I flagged it as one worthy of clean-up. Certainly your work is slowly bringing it more in line with W:MOS. --Victoriagirl 21:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

On further reflection - and investigation - I'm suggesting this article be deleted. Despite clean-up attempts, it remains little more than a copy of the bio found on the poet's website. Dominic may deserve a place on Wikipedia, but a cut-and-paste job ain't the way to acheive it. --Victoriagirl 04:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I never saw the Web based bio and I had no idea it was a cut and paste from her Bio. I cut out what I thought was vanity writing and put it together after the fact. If she is and seems to be important in East Coast and Toronto literature I think deletion is a bit harsh. If you hadn't mentioned it I wouldn't have known it was a bad cut and paste on her part when she put it up originally. I think we should assume she is a newbie at Wiki and I will edit it down some more, give her a second chance. WayneRay 15:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

You'll remember that I first flagged the Magie Dominic piece for clean-up. As I said in my previous post, I'm not saying Dominic should not have a place on Wikipedia - nor am I suggesting that that she posted the material herself. Did she? My recommendation that the article be deleted was based on the fact it was merely lifted from another page and, despite clean-up attempts, clearly did not conform to W:MOS.--Victoriagirl 16:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further cleanup

Please take a look at the article as it now exists at Magie Dominic. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 08:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geez

I didnt lift anything from the authors website!!! It was the minor cleanup that already existed that I temporaly cleaned up, Someone in the Delete talk page said stuff was missing and it looked incomplete so I put back the Bio you had initially deleted. If you don't like it why don't you just clean it up yourself and stop deleting the Bio information - geez WayneRay 22:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

There has never been a suggestion that you lifted anything from the author's website. That said, the sentences I deleted did come from said site. Once again, I'm not suggesting that Dominic not be featured here (in fact, you'll note I've voted the article a "weak keep"), merely that It is inappropriate to simply copy and paste info from another site onto Wikipedia. I must add that I have only once deleted this information - the previous deletion was made by another. --Victoriagirl 23:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bibliography

In an edit, since reversed, I removed War Crimes from Domic's bibliography. Simply put, I was unable to determine whether or not she participated in the project. She is not listed in the table of contents. My personal feeling is that she did participate in the project, but objectivity is of the upmost. It is my hope that someone will be able to provide a source indicating not only Dominc's involvement, but the exact nature of her participation (editor, contributor, etc.). Concerning the issue of the Living Archives Series from the League of Canadian poets. It is my understanding that each volume has more than one contributor. You'll note that I listed Belles Lettres/Beautiful Letters (from the Living Archives Series) amongst the books to which Dominic has contributed.This was the only volume to which I could confirm her contribution. There may, of course, be more, but I have been unable to confirm this. Perhaps she has contributed to all of them. If so, they should be listed individually - not as a series. As it stands, given that she is just one of many contributors, it is both inappropriate and inaccurate to simply attribute the entire series to Dominic. --Victoriagirl 19:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

As Dominic's participation in War Crimes and titles within the Living Archives Series (other than Belles Lettres/Beautiful Letters) has yet to be confirmed, I am editing her bibliography accordingly.--Victoriagirl 16:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)