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[edit] Museum Ships

Just wanted to say that I liked the improvements you made to Museum ships. Just a minor niggle, while you are doing such a great job - could the ships in the table be listed alphabetically! Viv Hamilton 12:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you too could do that ;-) I would find it very helpful once I get around to improving the table further by adding country (located in) and country (affiliated with) columnns! MadMaxDog 12:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I didn't want to jump in if you were still in the middle of improving it, and I'm struggling to find enough time for all of the projects I've got on, but I've done the sort now. Cheers Viv Hamilton 18:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
An auto-sort function would really help! MadMaxDog 05:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Myers Park

Are you working close to Myers Park? If so could you pop down there one lunchtime for me? There's a sign just in front of the kindergarten saying that the area was declared a free speech zone sometime in the early years of the 20th century. That's probably worth a paragraph in the article, but my interest is in exactly what did the sign say. Did it call it a free speech zone, or a Speakers' Corner, or use some other equivalent wording? I ask because I am arguing at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Free speech zone that the term is generic and should not be used for a US-specific article.-gadfium 02:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I pass by often, can take a picture if you like. Which side is the sign on - Queen or Grey's? Directly on the building? MadMaxDog 02:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I recall it being a signpost on the grass on the Queen St side of the kindergarten, but close to the building, not the street. I last looked at it a few years ago, so I hope it's still there.-gadfium 02:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, spent 5-10 minutes earlier this evening checking the area. No such sign visible. May check next week during daylight again, but unlikely it is (still) there. MadMaxDog 09:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks anyway.-gadfium 18:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I cruised past Myers Park today and the sign has definitely gone.-gadfium 01:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Any luck finding info on the Free Speech Zone itself? MadMaxDog 14:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
No. It will be in some history books, but nothing I could find on the web. At some point I plan to take User:EdwardBennett's guided tour of Karangahape Road, and I'll ask him about it.-gadfium 18:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coords Eden Park

Yeepers, nice enough of you to give a link to explain your action, but WHERE on this talk page is what you cite in support?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Coor_title_dms

Cheers, MadMaxDog 14:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay getting back to you, been offline.
The coordinate stuff isn't official to Wikipedia, so there is no official guidelines, however I point to that page in hopes that you would read it (and the associated pages) and come to a conclusion where you would be happy to leave coor title out.
The coor title title was made in the first place because people didn't like seeing the coordinates inline with the normal text, but generally people agreed that the info should be placed in an infobox if one exists. There are many "issues" with the title template and as such there was a vote to kill it. However, the vote ended in a keep because a lot of ill informed people thought the vote was for the "coor" template. If you have a read through the log you'll see a lot of good reasons for removing the template.
The coor title template is popular with a lot of people because they think it looks cool, or because it provides "a consistent location" for coordinate data.
Looking cool isn't a valid argument for using it, since it doesn't "look" cool on all media. Plus it breaks a lot (as it is now) with different layout themes, when different banners on shown by wikipedia, and even depending on if the user is logged in or not. Having the information "near" the top of the article, but actually grouped with other text, or even overlaying other text makes it difficult to associate the information with the content of article. Also, because of location of the tags in the markup there is even less association of the coordinates with its subject.
Not all articles can have the content in the title (e.g. Articles may have several locations of interest which each have their own coordinates.), which means that it's a bad place for consistency.
Authors and template creators can't decide on which template should be writing to the title. On the page that I pointed to you'll see people claiming that their template is the more important one and therefore it should have the privilege of writing to the title. So this also creates consistency/overlapping text issues. (as was demonstrated with one of the stadium articles "enhancing" my edits.
There is a big benefit for coor title, tho. By putting the info in the title, you don't have to provide any supporting text or infobox, so it's a great lazy-mans way of getting coordinates into an article. Note that this doesn't provide any reason to have title as well as infobox, tho.
Another argument for not having it in the title as well as the infobox would be that almost no other pages do it. (I'm sure there must be some, but I haven't seen any that are consistent and not random occurrences for cool factor)
Info boxes provide a consistent and context relevant location to put coordinates.
I'm sure there's more that I could write, but it's late and you didn't want to read the other page, so I'm not sure you'll want to read this. If there's some good reason to keep it in the title, please let me know.
Cheers, Nosilleg 23:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. Sorry about being too lazy to read the whole discussion - but I do get your point now. At the end of the day I still feel that coordinates should (eventually) end up in one single place, at least for certain categories of articles, and that the top right would be a good place once the bugs are worked out. But sure, no need to force that now while it still breaks other things, so infobox will be fine with me. MadMaxDog 00:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Autumn

MadMaxDog, I was removing links to the disambiguation page "summer solstice." Normally I changed the link from "summer solstice" to "summer solstice," because there is no article page for summer solstice, but there is for solstice. However, in the case with the autumn page, there was already a link to the "solstice" article in the previous paragraph, so I felt that it wouldn't be necessary to duplicate a link. Let me know what you think. Dkreisst 21:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Responded. (Thanks for the suggestion.) Dkreisst 10:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

You are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - SimonLyall 08:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stupid Evil Bastard

I'm fairly certain that the banner at the top says "fuck" not "hell". [1] I wasn't reverting your revert, I just noticed that the article says "hell" whereas the site says "fuck". Sorry for any confusion. —Dylan Lake 07:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Egg on my face. You are right. MadMaxDog 07:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Post-scarcity

Thanks for the compliment. The topic is quite interesting. I think it could make a very good article down the road but it has a long way to go... --babbage 09:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, in fact probably several centuries ;-) MadMaxDog 09:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Mott

There is nothing stopping the original creator from recreating it if/when they come up with sources. It is not unusual for articles that are extremely short, or articles that do not establish the notability of their subjects, to be deleted speedily. FreplySpang 10:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You have recently re-created the article David Mott, which was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not re-create the article. If you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a deletion review. JuJube 10:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with you twice. First off, I disagree with what happened. The article should have been tagged with a speedy delete template as you did, NOT directly deleted immediately after being created. Heck, at the spped it got deleted, the user could have still been working on it! So instead, I placed a notice on the original users talk page to please provide notability references, went to the deleting admin and explained my actions - and then you come along and give me a talking-to... Loosen up people. Not every noob must have his articles deleted half an hour after he created them. Give them a blimmin' chance to provide notability. MadMaxDog 11:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I was going to say, recreating the article yourself seems somewhat pointless to me. If I don't delete the article, some other admin probably will, as it still meets our Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, specifically WP:CSD#A7. But User:Jujube beat me to it. FreplySpang 10:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
So? he did what should have been done in the first place, placed a tag instead of deleted it. MadMaxDog 11:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
What I don't understand is why editors can't just wait to create an article until they get the proper sourcing required. It would save admins a lot of trouble. JuJube 11:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Because he was a noob? I think the chance is high that it was a vanity article, but assume good faith! MadMaxDog 11:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Britomart transport centre

not really but i fort it was a great idea of putting a template on like they do with british,irish,american,canadian,austrailian,ect railway station templates that tells you what is the back and next stations. anyway pals :D thanks, User:Jonjoe

[edit] Réunion

Hi MMD - you wrote:

...to complicate things, if the decision to apply UN areas to Wikipedia is implemented, and Madagascar moves to East Africa (it appears on both maps, which is what tripped me up), then wouldn't Reunion sort of have to move as well?

Mmmm. Maybe. Not sure - probably depends what happens with Mauritius, since it's so much further out. It's probably academic anyway; slowly, all African countries are getting their own geo-stubs (Réunion's one of the last places that doesn't have one), so it'll simply mean changing the categories on the templates if the UN standards are adopted. Grutness...wha? 05:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robbot

Re: your comment on my edit page. I had the bot remove this link on purpose, because simple:assassination is a redirect to simple:murder. By linking to the former, in effect we are linking to the latter. However, I have now changed the link so that it can remain. - Andre Engels 08:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Image

Supposing the user who captured the image was living in England I though the hospital was in England. Sorry. Thank you for reverting and I explained. --Mocca Latte (Talk) 01:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Britomart

Re the info box, sorry, but I'm just a drive-by tweaker. If you find the answers, I'd be interested to know - they're a useful way of presnting this information. Happy editing! Birdhurst 22:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Culture ships

Sorry for the stupid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.235.227.193 (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Apology accepted. Just slow down a bit when deleting or reverting. Getting a Wikipedia account would also be recommended. Happy editing. MadMaxDog 05:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Been there, done that. Currently, I want to work anonymously. --217.235.209.158

[edit] Virtual classroom

Edits are welcome at the VC. Feel free to edit to your heart's content at any time. By the way, what do you think of the current discussion on deletion and censorship? --The Transhumanist 16:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Museum Ships

Thanks... But Belfast definitely was a Light Cruiser :-) Pibwl ←« 20:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

"HMS Belfast, the Royal Navy's heaviest ever cruiser," doesn't quite seem to agree with your statement.. MadMaxDog 05:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to understand it (and how to change it, retaining author's idea, but avoiding confusion) - I guess, only in terms of displacement :-) HMS Belfast had 6-in guns, so she was a Light Cruisers (according to London Treaty definition). Pibwl ←« 11:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Had a try at it. MadMaxDog 12:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genarlow Wilson

Max, "OTRS" is for the people who answer Wikipedia's e-mail. It is not open for general reading.

The letter was from Mr Wilson's legal counsel; they feel that any perceived association with Mr Drake would do Mr Wilson far more harm than good, and I am forced to agree with them. Furthermore, Mr Drake really isn't relevant to the case. I have removed it from the article again; if you still feel it should be in the article, you will have to convince me as to why. DS 20:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I won't revert this very action, but I do have some substantial misgivings about it anyway.
  1. Basically, you are asking me to trust you on the basis of email I am not allowed to see. This case is not really all that important, but... you can see the implications, surely?
  2. Are we compromising neutrality here? Again, the case in point is not all that important to the article. But again, we are removing referenced data, on the request of a party which is NOT concerned about the NPOV of the article. Censorship?
To give some perspective to my own involvement, I have asked Genarlow's lawyer to be allowed to put Genarlow's picture on the article (and received a friendly answer but no permission so far, she noted that Genarlow himself would have to agree). Part of the idea was to improve the article in a acceptable, NPOV view. Part of it was because I DO think his conviction is unfair, and his case would improved (a tiny, tiny amount) by having a good picture on his article. But the distinction is that this would be adding to the article, not removing from it. MadMaxDog 04:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Firstly - yes, I am asking you to trust me on the basis of an e-mail that you are not allowed to see. OTRS access is granted to individuals who have been judged trustworthy. Since you are in contact with Mr Wilson's legal representation, I feel certain she will confirm to you that she requested mention of Mr Drake be removed from the article.
Secondly, one of the criteria to whether one is granted OTRS access is how one responds to this sort of situation. I judged that Mr Drake's offer was such that it was neither pertinent nor relevant. Yes, it is referenced, but as you yourself described it, it is data, not information, and it is as relevant to the article as is the fact that Mr Wilson's first name has 8 letters. The removal was not censorship, it was editing. DS 03:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Did my question (or the words I used) irritate you? To repeat, I do not consider this SPECIFIC matter to be censorship, nor do I object to it enough to start reverting your edit. I am more concerned about the wider implications. Still not satisfied that this (private email => article edit/content delete) will never become an issue - but then, if it ends up becoming an issue, by its very nature it will cause discussion, so I shouldn't worry too much about it now, I guess. MadMaxDog 03:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Hi Max - it's a tricky one, and I understand your point, but I can also understand why removing the top levelk categories is done. Take the NZ example - there are a lot of subcategories of it, and a lot of them are very big. if all those articles were in the top layer category, there would be several thousand articles in there. And some top level categories would be far worse - how many articles from around the world might there be in Cat:Towns? Also, the more categories an article is in, the more cluttered the bottom of an article gets, and when you consider that tings in a subcategory are still technically in the larger category (even if just pigeonholed away somewhere inside it) not that much is lost by not having the top level. It does cause the problem you mentioned of not being instantly able to see all the articles listed, though. I think that clicking on the "+" symbols next to the subcategory names will list everything, but I've never been able to get that to work (it doesn't work properly in all browsers). Grutness...wha? 21:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I think m:User:Duesentrieb/CatScan may well be what you're looking for. It seems to have a cut off at 1000 entries though, unless you choose the CSV output. The CSV could be imported into Excel or any other spreadsheet for suitable manipulation.
m:User:Duesentrieb/CategoryTree may also be of interest to you.-gadfium 22:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
As cats are organized in tree format, I hold out reasonable hope that at some future date, this will be customizable at user-level. MadMaxDog 04:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your reversion from "Solitary confinement"

my addition was to highlight that we would never talk about a wrongly convicted prisoner as an "it" but as a "him" or a "her".

I don't know how anyone could possibly have written "the prisoner itself" except who was so detached from his own humanity that prisoners are to him no longer even persons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.99.175.84 (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Didn't catch that drift. Have now changed it to "himself" (somewhat less than the full sentence you added). As for the comment behind it, I do not believe that language was used that conciously as a propaganda tool in this context. Acceptable change, but not really a biggie, in my mind. MadMaxDog 01:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statistics NZ and the "New Zealander" ethnic group

Hi MadMaxDog, I didn't think that Statistics NZ were discouraging people from putting "New Zealander" as their ethnicity. Where did you hear that? -- Avenue 02:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I remember it from a Herald article previous to the actual Census, where some statistican was warning that it would screw up the results (as it did...). Can't remember in more detail. MadMaxDog 02:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try to track it down. We should only attribute it to Stats NZ if they were speaking in an official capacity. I replied to your question on my talk page over there, by the way. -- Avenue 08:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this the article you meant? 'Kiwi' a dinkum response for next Census, NZ Herald, 13 January 2006. The closest thing I've found to an official position is this press release. -- Avenue 09:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's the one. Sorry for slightly misinterpreting the 'dicourage'. Though it was obvious to me they didn't like it too much. MadMaxDog 11:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Khawaja does come across as only grudgingly accepting it, but there's still a big gap between that and actively discouraging people from saying "NZer".
On another issue, avoiding "&" in section headings isn't just my idea. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings) for the full scoop. -- Avenue 12:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I am aware of that rule. I just hate it and consider it unnecessary, that's all. MadMaxDog 13:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image

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[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar! I replied to your Tank Farm question on my talk page, by the way. -- Avenue 11:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Inclusion

Hello, Regarding your recent inclusion "she broke up with the publication (reputedly under acrimonious circumstances[citation needed])"

According to : Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

Jimmy Wales has said: "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons."[2] He considers "no" information to be better than "speculative" information and reemphasizes the need for sensitivity: "Real people are involved, and they can be hurt by your words. We are not tabloid journalism, we are an encyclopedia."[3]

You should remove this inclusion until there is a verifiable source.

Thank you.

"she broke up with the publication (reputedly under acrimonious circumstances[citation needed])" excerpt written by user MadMaxDog and only used as reference to subject matter.

Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons excerpt is property of Wikipedia.com and used only as reference to policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vevrier (talk • contribs) 17:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] "Requested References"

You are editing a subject (porn) where, for obvious reasons, it does not have many verifiable sources. There are a few 'respectable' fairly well-known resources for porn news- however, your obscure references both have unknown authors, are not interviews and subsequently can not be a verifiable source of fact.

In your other posts/edits it appears as if you do make an effort for accuracy in references; surprisingly, here you do not. Perhaps it is the subject (porn) where you feel it doesn't necessarily need reliable sources. Fortunately, Wiki does not discriminate between subjects and the need for sensitivity towards 'living persons' is held in high regard. Whether it autos or porn, both subjects require respect and policy.

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.178.5.154 (talk) 07:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

I do not need admonishments from a proven liar, page blanker and POV pusher who now has suddenly decided to go anonymous, 'Vevrier'. It is quite amusing (and oh so typical!) that somebody who so blatantly disregarded the rules now tries to use them as a moral club. MadMaxDog 09:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Hazmat suit

Good question - and I don't have a ready answer whether this is a U.S. or international designation. The Level A and B designations are widely used by hazmat suit manufacturers and fire departments, and come from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. (There are also Level C and D designations, C being light protection such as a splash suit and respirator; D being just regular work clothes and goggles, essentially no protection at all). This link has a rundown of the four levels: [2] I've seen these Level A and B designations used on some European websites...but I found another link that says the European standard has six levels and the U.S. ANSI agency is using, or proposing, a six level designation that corresponds to the European standards. See here [3]. For now I'm going to note that the A/B designation is a U.S. one. Do you know anything about the European standard and can add something to the article on it? Dragomiloff 04:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Not really, my knowledge of this matter has all the extent of some volunteer firefighting experience 15 years back, and what I did so far for this article. Feel free to note that its an EPA standard for now.MadMaxDog 04:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Cool, good work on the tweaking. We (or someone who knows more about it) can add something about the European standards at some point. Dragomiloff 12:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Department of Political Studies (Auckland, New Zealand)

Restore proposal

Please note that I have requested that this page be restored following the recent deletion. I note that you have previously commented in favour of retaining the page Talk:University_of_Auckland#Proposed_merger. Please see the restore request (under 18 February 2007) on Wikipedia:Deletion_review. Your support would be appreciated. Nicknz 09:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

To be blunt, I supported the article previously because I hate deletions in general, and consider notability a bit less stringently than many other people. Therefore I don't see much use supporting this at the moment. Seeing that it ain't a vote, and I cannot propose any specific reasons why it should be kept (I know way too little about it), my voice would not help. Can I suggest that you instead spend your time rewriting the article, seeing that it is not recreate-protected (but keep it on your own user page subpages until ready, so as to not tempt another deletion) until you have established notability to a better degree? MadMaxDog 09:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Kea

No offense taken to your deletion of my photo - as you pointed out, it is flawed. I'm still a bit of a novice with the camera (I got it last month), but I find it's good fun, so I'll carry on with it. On a more positive note, wasn't Saturday just smashing! Seems like everyone was either on or around the harbour...what one bloody big ship will do to a city :) FPV F6 TYPHOON 05:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

One million of economic 'damage' (Uh, eh, *GAIN*, actually ;-) for New Zealand in fact! See Ports of Auckland. MadMaxDog 09:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merchant submarine

Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed that article - extremely well-written, and a fascinating piece of history. RJASE1 Talk 13:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, you're welcome. Just a little ad-hoc translation project from the German version that sorta got 'out of hand' ;-) MadMaxDog 01:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dab cleanup (Gypsy)

Hi,
You're right that Gypsy is hardly the kind of basket case that we expect to find in Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup. However, please see my comment here. --Smack (talk) 07:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

As I spent a lot of time fixing it in the past, I'd be rather disappointed if it was! Fixing what you noted now. MadMaxDog 07:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 23 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Merchant submarine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Yomanganitalk 23:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. When I first saw that article, I headed directly over to DYK to nominate it, only to find that you'd already done so.-gadfium
How embarrasing to realise it would have made it even without my un-humble actions ;-) How did you find it? (As in "how did you come across it"?) MadMaxDog 01:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
From RJASE1's comment above. My watchlist is large, but it isn't infinite. It's normal that article writers do the nomination for DYK, but I hadn't realised you knew about it.-gadfium 03:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Forever War (comics)

Thank you for your note; I appreciate the courtesy. I figured the comic was unclear as to which Masaryk was the namesake, and I actually spent some time trying to decide on how to redirect the dab link. In the end, I decided that Tomáš was slightly more likely and, in any event, Jan is also mentioned in his article. However, looking at it again today, I think you are correct that this is one of those rare wikilinks that should be left pointing to the dab page. The only downside is that someone else will probably come along in a few months to "repair" it again.--Kubigula (talk) 16:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry - I haven't read the graphic novel yet; I just stumbled across the article. I have to say that it's a pretty good article and makes me want to read the comic!--Kubigula (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits to War memorial

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[edit] Aerial platform

You moved an article before looking at what linked there. It has existing links from E-One and Fire apparatus. I changed this back. Majorjc 01:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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