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[edit] No Personal Attack NOT make a false statement

Please discuss in talk page. NOT Personal Attack. Tropicaljet 08:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I've made no personal attack on you. This [1] does not constitute a personal attack. Be careful with your accusations. Mackan 09:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
YOU HAVEN'T MADE A PERSONAL ATTACK? YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN ME A VANDALIST??? YOU HAVEN'T THEREATEN ME TO BE BANNED WITH NO REASON???Please teach us the reason why I will be banned with edits. Tropicaljet 11:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Uh, you're English is kind of hard to understand... Considering the edits you made to the comfort women article, it takes an outrageous amount of good faith not to label you a vandal... Your obnoxious comments on my talk page only strengthen that assumption.　Mackan 14:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You'd better write your opinions in talk page first. Not to write it in my talk page with threatening words. Tropicaljet 23:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, how about this? You just stop vandalizing the article instead! If you do not want people to think you're a vandal, don't get involved in revert wars without every justifying your position. Not that you really have to though, as all the other Japanese nationalists/revisionists, your motives are perfectly clear. Mackan 22:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you read the talk page? I have justified every my position. I must say you'd better write your opinions in talk page first before reverting it. You only reverted the article without explanation. You are patently a vandal. I suggest you to look in a mirror. Shame on you! Tropicaljet 16:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You are lying. Your first edit to the talk page was 09:55, 6 March, ([2]). My warning to you was written 19:08, 5 March ([3]) (time is UTC+1). Even though you have since my warning posted on the talk page (which is very welcome), you are yet to provide any sources for any of your edits. Mackan 20:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Osaka - Transport

Please see "Transport" - "Discussion" - "Osaka (City)".

And Please show me the evedense of "proximity of ITM to the Kobe, and Kyoto city ".

galuboo 11:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yakiniku dispute

Hi Mackan. I'm sorry I've been slow to address this. The one occasion I've had much time on the Wiki before now, I looked into the situation a little bit, and didn't feel up to the task. Now that I've got more of my resources about me, I'm better able to focus, and I've made a comment at Talk:Yakiniku. I wonder, would you be able to make a list of the articles being edit-warred, so I can add them all to my watchlist?

I don't know how many articles I'll be able to keep up with, but I'll start with Yakiniku and see where that leads us. Meanwhile, here's a good general strategy. The first thing to do is (a) make a dedicated talk page section, stating the dispute and the reasons for your preferred version, with a good faith invitation to dialogue. If that fails (which perhaps it already has), then (b) a content RFC is a good step. Both WikiProject Japan and WikiProject Korea should be notified, in as neutral a way as possible, about the dispute. If an editor is still reverting away from a version preferred by a clear consensus and won't be reasoned with (which may already be the case, I haven't yet looked too deeply), then (c) a user RFC makes sense. Most people can be talked to without having to go to such lengths, though. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, your help is much appreciated. Articles where ShinjukuXYZ and his sockpuppets are edit warring
  • Joji Obara. He was a Japanese citizen, and as its later stated in the article, comes from a Korean Zainichi family. He is however himself NOT Zainichi, as that term is only applied for Korean nationals living in Japan. Obara has a Japanese passport. ShinjukuXYZ wants to stress the fact that Obara's heritage is Korean. He has broken the 3RR (with sockpuppet users).
  • Anti-Japanese sentiment. This article has the most problems of all. There are unsourced and POV-pushing edits made by both Koreans and Japanese. I've tried and tag statements from both sides, and removed from both sides, but it's pointless, it keeps getting reverted. A lot of the stuff ShinjukuXYZ puts up here is racist against Koreans, for example this edit [4]: "The South Korean historically does the crime by using a Japanese name" ... "When the South Korean does a bad thing in foreign countries, the South Korean says "I am Japanese". The South Korean insists that this is a small patriotism for deteriorate the reputation of Japan." (he uses a youtube video as a source..!
  • Comfort women. There are some revisionists in Japan that deny the Japanese state had anything to do with the many Korean sex slaves that were recruited by the Japanese Army. Some even suggest they weren't sex slaves, but prostitutes. ShinjukuXYZ is obviously a firm believer in these revisionist statements.
  • Japanese nationalism. He removed links to Japanese war crimes and Attacks on Pearl Harbour. While I'm not sure the second link should necessarily be there, ShinjukuXYZ is definately not prepared to discuss his edits.
ShinjukuXYZ has been using sockpuppets. He HAS broken the 3RR repeatedly, and he is aware of the rule. Which I guess is why he's using sockpuppets and anonymous edits all the time. While a RFC of course is an option, I do honestly not have enough time on my hands to report him, there's just so much bureaucracy to wade through all the time... I feel like just writing this message is more than I have time for. I do not care for edit wars but I've tried and avoid it, but with ShinjukuXYZ it seems unavoidable. He won't explain his edits, not even if you confront him. He will just keep on reverting. Mackan 23:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. I encourage patience - I'll keep checking in on this whenever I'm online, and I'm confident we'll get it sorted out. Please feel free to let me know about any important developments as they arise. I'm just about to be offline for several hours, but I'll check in later tonight. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Look at the Joji Obara article. After his anonymous edits were reverted (by a more responsible Japanese editor), ShinjukuXYZ simply created a new account with the single purpose of reverting the article again. [5]. Mackan 10:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ustubo Park? (Osaka city)

I'dont understand what you say....sorry.

If you will point out about Ustbo park,these are complications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Osakadan

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  • Utsubo Park - Osaka

I'm sorry,I want to say "大阪科学技術館" near Utsubo park. And I saw "大阪科学技術館" of japanese Wikipedia,and jump (I push link to) english version.So It is "Osaka Science Museum" (Or "OSTEC Exhibition Hall "). What is truth ?

galuboo 10:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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I wrote at "talk"-Osakada's,page,

I wanted to write data and it's particular.

galuboo 03:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Galuboo, I don't want to be rude, but it's almost entirely impossible to understand what you are trying to say. While I think your motives are noble, and while I think you are perfectly free to point out mistakes in articles on the talk pages, I'm thinking mabye it would be for the best if you would refrain somewhat from editing articles, directly, in the English Wikipedia. Mackan 10:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
OK. I will not edit.
I express the complications.
1. I wrote an article of Utsubo Park.
2. Osakadan pointed out "there is "The science museum is not in Utsubo Koen. It is almost 1km away.",because I wrote "there is The science museum near Utsubo Park.".I know there is a museum near the park,but I didn't know english name.I looked for it from Japanese Wikipedia and looked at "Link page" at English Wikipedia.so this was "Osaka Science Museum" article.this was the reason to write that sentence ("there is The science museum near Utsubo Park.").Perhaps Osakadan thought it is incorrect.
3.I accepted his (hers?) view,I changed article ,"there is OSTEC(Osaka Science and Technology Center) near the park.".so you point out this time.
I will not come here (I'll not edit English Wikipedia),parhaps it maybe needless,these are reference materials.
If you need,please use it.And please edit good and useful articles,for not only English people but also Japanese (Osaka).
http://www.ostec.or.jp/
http://www.ocsga.or.jp/osakapark/hfm_park/06utsubo/index.html (about "rose garden")
galuboo 13:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit on user:Ikedanobuo

Hello Mackan, thank you for your interest in Japan affair, as the founder of Japan related article noticeboard, I love to see many editors are working on this theme.

As for your contest, I would like you to give a look to http://blog.goo.ne.jp/ikedanobuo/e/21c5fbe4e840d266d682e16ed2815d6a, for your information. I don't know the blogger personally, but there is no good reason to think the claimed identity as a fake. To ask a source should be our principle in my opinion, on the other hand I am afraid your contest on his talkuser page sounds too strong and make him unnecessarily hostile. Thank you for your consideration.

Cheers, --Aphaia 14:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Aphaia, thank you VERY MUCH for the link. Yes, I agree, it might have been too hostile on my part, but I was under the impression that he was a sockpuppet (now I know that he is a meatpuppeteer, and possibly a sockpuppeteer as well). I will try harder to assume good faith, at least initially, in the future. Mackan 15:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Prof. Ikeda is really an university professor. But his major is not history, but economics and public policy related to telecommunications and broadcasts. See ja:池田信夫. --NobuoSakiyama 16:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, I gathered as much from his blog. Mackan 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comfort Women

Thanks for your comments. I haven't had the patience or the time to follow closely the edit war in the main article; if there is one thing I agree with the professor is that the incessesant anonymous edits were making the article unmanageable. It's good that the article is protected as it gives people time to figure out exactly who is saying what. It seems he is fuming that references to Hata, for example, are being deleted as part of revert warring. We've got to find a way of giving them space which allows them to present their case too - at the end of the day they too believe they have the truth and the sources on their side. Their main flaw is that they choose to ignore first hand testimonies as well as reports by organisaions such as UNHRC and International Commission of Jurists [6]. Some of Ikeda's more absurd comments (like demanding that a photo be removed because he doesn't like the caption) doesn't give me confidence that an agreement can ever be reached though. By the way I know full well that the term 従軍慰安婦 is in widespread use (I'm Japanese, not sure if you'd guessed!) so don't worry, I know what I'm on about but thanks for your support. I don't know why whether the term was used during the war is relevant or not. I'm glad you're still watching the discussion and I hope you continue to keep posting! Phonemonkey 21:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kansai-Ben

Then feel free to help me elaborate rather than calling it "bullshit"... Just Heditor review 18:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

To be frank, we really don't need a section on how the Kansai dialect might be regarded by Japanese people who aren't from Kansai. They will inherently be poorly sourced and will never give a worldwide perspective. It's also pretty damn unencyclopedic. So no, let's not elaborate on it. Mackan 18:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't use the word "we". Feel free not to elaborate more on it if you like or slap a tag on it or whatever, i'm going elaborate. If you're civil while disagreeing with me, we won't have a problem. Just Heditor review 18:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if you thought of me as uncivil, but I would like to point out that I have not made any comments on you whatsoever, only on the nature of the statements you inserted into the Kansai-ben article. While I agree "bullshit" is not the most polite word to use, I would appreciate it if you didn't take it personally. Also, on the article, you appear to be well-versed in Wiki-editing, so why would you include links which are obviously not reliable sources? Mackan 18:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, I apologize for taking it personally. I'll try to find more reliable sources, but for now, that was the best I could find(basically just placeholder links until we can find something better). As you seem to be well versed in the subject at hand, I was wondering if you could help me. Just Heditor review 18:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, I am well-versed in the subject and I must say I object staunchly to the entire section you are trying to include. While saying something of how the dialect is perceived by other Japanese people is fine (and if I'm not mistaken, already in the article), but trying to relate it to other languages is a practice bound to fail, and fail miserably. Mackan 18:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, I must protest on having "source placeholders" on a section that is being contested. Can I please remove the section, without having you reverting me again? If you against the odds find reliable sources I'll continue this discussion with you then and tell you more in detail why it's "bullshit". Mackan 18:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Rather than calling it "bullshit", maybe we can just put a tag there and call it a work in progress. Please keep your cool, it was not my intention to stoke an argument here, only to try and build upon that section the best I could. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Just H (talk • contribs) 20:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
As I think I've already explained, I oppose the inclusion of the entire section, so why do you think I would think it's a good idea to put a "wip" tag on it? IF you find reliable sources, then we can continue this discussion. Also, I'm keeping perfectly cool, thank you. Mackan 20:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Mackan, you should read that essay. And thank you for reminding me. I'll put something on the talk page saying that i'll come back in a few days to the article. Just Heditor review 22:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Dude, even if I were a dick, I'm right. Stop being obnoxious because you were told your edit was bullshit, the admin you turned to gave me right. Mackan 23:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Opinions aren't right or wrong there, chief. You might think it's not notable, I think it is, we both have opinions. I sought out a third opinion, which is what a Wikipedian should do in situations such as those. Nobody can give you the right to be incivil, and just to clarify, I was talking about that essay, WP:DICK is a long standing part of Wikipedian studies, and you acted accordingly within the thoughts in that essay. Just Heditor review 00:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shinjuku

Yeah, I agree with you as well, can you tell Necmate that on his talk page please! --Samtheboy (t/c) 14:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Editor review/Just H 4

Thank you commenting on my editor review! Just Heditor review 00:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please ventilate grievances to him directly

Mackan is still an extremely problematic and disruptive user who is yet to make a single useful edit, and I'd very much like to see him/her banned by me. [7] --LuckyandLucky 18:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, well then, good luck on your RFA, mate. Mackan 18:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
You should apologize for the slander to me. Your sincerity is waited for. Good-bye. --LuckyandLucky 18:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear LuckyandLucky, I have not slandered you, I was talking of another user (Necmate), who oncamera (and I as well) suspected might have been the same user as you. If you took any offence, I apologize. Mackan 18:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] JLPT

You know, I actually passed 1級 of the 日本語能力試験 in 1996 but man, when you don't use it you lose it real quick. It's really sad, although when I last visited Japan in 2000 it did come back fairly quickly. As it turns out, I was looking at the comfort women article when I posted to WP:AN last night. Anyway, I'm not sure how much help I'll be, but sometimes it just takes a person with a badge to put a stop to things. Regards, howcheng {chat} 16:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Any help would on that and a bunch of other disputed articles would be much appreciated, there's a whole bunch of problems associated with a few Japanese conservative anti-Korean 2channelers (see [8]). I'll try and post about it on the admin's noticeboard before soon, hope you will have a look at it when I do. Regards, Mackan 18:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dont bad talk

Hi dont bad talk me by saying i have canvassed many people. Name three more (thats a bunch)? Outside the person you are already claiming, that perosn has an own opinion and i dont think my "suggestion" made it trun one way or another.I bet you do alot of good things on Wiki but you can lie about thigngs like that.Thats just silly nonsense, and to say that i have done it to a bunch of people? whats that.Just shows lack of judgement from you.--Matrix17 19:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Matrix17, I'm sorry, I made a mistake. I saw in your contrib list that you had left messages on several user talk pages and clicked on one randomly, which happened to be the one where you had canvassed the three VfD's. Since it was surrounded by other user talkpage edits, I made the mistake of just "assuming" the rest were canvassing as well. I checked it out and as you obviously know, I was mistaken, and for that I sincerely apologize. Still, vote stacking is a policy violation whether or not you do it one or ten times, so please realise that the point I was making is still valid. See Wikipedia:Canvassing. Mackan 19:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah its totally OK. I maybe overreacted to. Im sorry. Yeah i see. Hope we can work along on some article one day, have a nice evening.--Matrix17 19:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Calton thinks I am "stalking" him, but that is just his imagination. I have PLENTY of things better to do than that. I offer my help to people who are having trouble (getting warnings) so I can help them not get warnings and get themselves in trouble. I am not trying to cause trouble, I am trying to help others and prevent it. If these people are going to continue to cause trouble, then there is nothing I can do about that and I will back away. But, I honestly am trying to help.

But with Calton, he is alot of hot air, alot of anger, mixed with a tad bit of paranoia and I don't take anything he says with a grain of sand, salt or any other fine ground rock. If I can be of further assistance to you, or if you need any help in the future, feel free to let me know and I will be glad to help. Rock on....SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 19:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The idea that you are stalking Calton is nothing I got from his "imagination", but simply from reading comments other users have left at your talk page. A look in your archived talk pages also show that at least 2 admin's already have asked you to stay away from him, and I must say, without any hostility or bias in favour of Calton (the DDRG user issue is the first time I've noticed him), that I think that sounds like a good idea. Thank you. Mackan 19:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I can assure you, I am not "stalking" him. The problems before were about a TV station article. If you look now, AMIB and I were trying to work out a problem on Stoopid Monkey and Calton turned up. I can't tell him where he can and can't go...so I let him do his ranting. But, I was there many hours before he showed up. Calton and I have never gotten along and even if I stay away from him...he won't stay away from me. Many "reality checks" on my talk page show that. But, again, I assure you, I am not "stalking" him. I am just helping people out. I will stop that too if you like. - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 20:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, I have redirected my offer to help User:DDRG to admin User:El_C. I can't help a person or even offer my help around here without Calton's name coming up. He can get as rude and as incivil as he wants to anyone he wants with no problems and if I help someone he has "opposed" I am "stalking" him and I get in trouble. I am restricted in what I can do here. This borders on ridiculous. - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 20:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

If you want an "official" rule, it'd probably be this from WP:3RR:

"Other exceptions to the rule include the following:...Normally, reverting by a user within their own user space"

Of course, many editors still do consider it poor form and somewhat uncivil to remove messages from your talk page, and there are certain circumstances under which it is not acceptable to revert in your user space (for example, if someone objects to content that seems to violate WP:UP and removes it, or if you accidentally used a fair-use image in userspace and it's removed). However, a lot of discussions on the matter have come to the conclusion that if a user removes a message or warning, (s)he can simply be presumed to have read it and been warned. Generally, it's preferable to archive rather than delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just H

I dont know if this conflict was resolved but I saw Just H's post on WP:AN/I and it occurs to me that his calling your behavior "arrogant" is a personal attack. A user who talks about filing an RfC is probably familiar enough with policy to know about WP:NPA. KazakhPol 02:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you KazakhPol, yes, he is aware of NPA, but I don't think he really knows the content of it (see [9] where he suggested I had commited a personal attack on him after asking how fluent his Japanese was). Mackan 15:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Friends

Hey, I addressed your query at Talk:Friends (group). You need to your new addition to your user space before it's speedy deleted, then you can clean it up and we'll see if it it passes muster.--Cúchullain t/c 14:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd much rather just see you restore the article you deleted. Mackan 15:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd much rather you had asked me to do that before you recreated deleted material, but that's neither here nor there. At any rate, it's done now.--Cúchullain t/c 16:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't really see why I should have asked anybody? The only reason it got deleted was because there weren't any sources, I gave you sources. Why should I then have to ask permission for anything, why waste even more time? I haven't violated any policy. I mean, it's done, and there's not really any need to discuss it any further, but since you're an admin, I would expect you not to sound so arrogant about it. Mackan 19:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
You're right, I shouldn't have said it like that. I'm sorry. I was just frustrated by that and some other AfDs recent AfDs that people had formatted improperly or disagreed with the decision on. I meant, if you had sources you could have just asked me or someone to undelete the page rather than recreating it, and put the sources in then. But anyway, the right thing happened, the article is fine now. Cheers.--Cúchullain t/c 01:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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