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[edit] Removal of Walt Whitman
I moved this text from the article, because I couldn't see the connection with current article and the quote seems out of context.
- See Walt Whitman's prophecies for the uncanny similarity:
- "There will soon be no more priests. Their work is done. A new order shall arise, and they shall be the priests of man, and every man shall be his own priest. They shall find their inspiration in real objects to-day, symptoms of the past and future. They shall not deign to defend immortality or God, or the perfection of things, or liberty, or the exquisite beauty and reality of the soul."
Could somebody who understands what the connection between Machine Elves and Walt Whitman is supposed to be, rewrite this paragraph and link in it to the main article to make it more encyclopedic. -- Lexor 10:12, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)
[edit] A Quote desirable
A quote from terrance maccenna re self transforming machine elves would be good here (im not sure what the policy is on quotes) from [1]
what happened was there was an encounter with what can only be described as an elf hive, a colony of self-transforming, hyperdimensional machine creatures that came bounding forward with joyful squeaks to dribble themselves like self-transforming jewelled basketballs on the floor in front of me, and I was dumbstruck with amazement
what I was surrounded by was a crowd of diminutive, self-transforming blobs of intentionalised ectoplasmic material, and they were producing out of their bodies objects which looked like Faberge eggs or exquisitely tooled machines made of ivory glass and gemstone that were themselves undergoing some kind of transformation, emitting musical sounds, condensing liquid metal out of the air and causing it to rain down on us.
Type thing Htaccess
[edit] Yanomami ancestors
While I was researching the Yanomami for my anthropology class years ago, I found that when they ingest DMT snuffs they witness these short ghosts they say are their ancestors. I think the word for them are haruku or something like that.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 10:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed move: Machine elf
A singular title in the form of 'Machine elf' rather than 'Machine Elves' or 'Machine Elf' is more in keeping with Wikipedia's standards for article naming. While they do usually appear in groups in DMT hallucinations, one can certainly refer to a single machine elf. In the quotes I have seen, McKenna and others do not necessarily capitalize them, it is a class of beings not a proper title.
Of course, a redirect will remain from the current title. A redirect from self-transforming machine elves should also be put in place. Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 04:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- That makes sense to me. :) Hbackman 05:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Seems somewhat unnessary but I dont oppose it Htaccess 19:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- The reason it is necessary is that machine elves redlinks currently, making it appear there is no article there -- Mediawiki ignores the first capital letter, but if both are capitilized it treats it like a proper title. In other words, Machine elf won't have this problem. Obviously, another redirect could be made but since the page doesn't fit the site's naming conventions, now is as good a time as any to fix it. Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 21:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Seems somewhat nessary I dont oppose it :) Htaccess 18:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Very funny, Htaccess! :) Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 19:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me, Kit, as per naming conventins and all. No use in creating a redirect to a bad name. --He:ah? 19:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Seems somewhat nessary I dont oppose it :) Htaccess 18:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] machine elves, whilst under the influence of pscho-actives.
although I have never tried DMT,whilst under the influence of psylocibin[columbian,liberty caps etc...]I have had many experiences similar to the ones mentioned by people who have used DMT.The machine elves really caught my eye,especially when refered to as fractal elves.There seems to be a point in the experience of psylocibin ingestion where I zoom in on a kind of chaotic fractal phase.This then gives way to a more uniformed period of the fractal phase.There seems to be an emphasis on a kind of great order to the universe.This is then usually,after much pondering,broken by some kind of real disorder taking place,and throwing everything I have been thinking about into chaotic shambles[for instance,while observing horses racing at the track I noticed and became transfixed at the way their movement was so machine-like.Then suddenly,from out of nowhere,a real floppy-dobbin-of-a-pantomime-horse came bounding along and this great harmonic universal synchronisation seemed to be put into question once more].In the midst of all this at some point,and although not appearing as a true hallucination,much more a vision or images in my mind's eye,I experience something very close to what I have read about the 'machine elves trip'etc while on DMT.This has been a constant with all my experiences of hallucinogenics.This seems to start with some kind of descent into my imagination.But unlike the experiences I have read about from DMT users,the elves do not approach me or even seem to aknowledge my presence.The reason I bring this matter up is because of the sense of reality this experience seems to hold for me.In my early teens I would experience the 'munchkin' trip;and when I tried 'peruvian torch'[san pedro cactus]my minds eye cunjoured up little green peruvian men[this may have been some sort of auto-suggestion taking place,though].If anybody else has had similar experiences or has any suggestion as to what may be happening here I would be glad to here them.After quite a number of years taking hallucinogens I am quite aware that there are a lot of similarities between different psychedelics,but after recently hearing about the stories on of DMT ingesters/smokers experiences I am completely fascinated by the whole subject.Please contact me at j.o.n@merseymail.com All suggestions of the origins of this experience will be much welcomed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.248.225.148 (talk • contribs) 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Elves are NOT aliens and Plant Spirits and Gods and Ancestors of the Dead and representatives of the "Logos" and our subconcious minds and our "greater selves" and...
there seems to be a lot of conjecture, weasel words, general lack of references for opinions in this article, I realise it's an esoteric subject, but enough people have written and spoken about different kinds of DMT encounters that "Machine Elves" can be distinguished easily from several other types of commonly percieved entities that appear when people use DMT. If there is evidence that all DMT entities are Machine Elves, or that Machine Elves (SPECIFICALLY) appear to Shamans all ofver the world it would be nice to see who is documenting this and under what circumstances. In fact, the major study done indicated that these entities took very diverse forms frequently appearing as grey aliens, space bugs (i.e. giant metallic bees, mantises), humanoids, reptiles and stick figures. Under the circumstances, conflating Machine Elves with other entities seems unwise. I am not going to change the actual article without references of my own, but DMT: THe SPirit Molecule makes it quite clear that the entities that appear take vastly different forms from the "Elves" as they commonly appear. I certainly have found them to be quite different in personal behaviour as well. silentlight 29 Nov 2006.
[edit] incorporating illustration of a self-transforming machine elf
I put a link to the sleeve cover mentioned in the article under External Links. Would it be a good idea to add a thumbnail of the image to the article body? Picaro 12:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
This comment is in regard to the incorporation into the machine elf article of an illustration of a supposed self-transforming machine elf.
The cover picture linked by the Wikipedia machine elf article is very clearly derived from a depiction of a 7000 year old cave painting from Northern Algeria. There is some extrapolation of feet in the cover design and there are changes to both the headdress and around the hands but, otherwise, it seems extremely clear to me that the cave painting was used as a template for the illustration on the CD cover. For this reason, I find it exceedingly unlikely that the CD cover artwork depicting an "elf" was created drawing upon the memory of someone's experience of a "machine elf".
The cave painting depiction that I am referring to is the first illustration at http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_history.shtml
71.217.255.83 16:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC) August Pamplona
