Talk:Müller-Thurgau

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This whole article reeks of POV and keeps bragging continuously about the supposed inferiority to Riesling. de:Müller-Thurgau is far better written and its contents should best be translated and incorporated into this article. --doco (☏) 00:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I support the above. Smells strongly of wine-snobbery and jingoism.

I totally agree, whoever wrote the english version has probably never tried a good Muller-Thurgau. In comparison to the german page, this entry is extremely negative. However, a noteworthy explanation as to why this might be can be found on the german page de:Müller-Thurgau: Muller-Thurgau has been often "abused" for the production of lower quality table wine. However, the author of the english MT page entirely fails to point out the qualities of MT in particular with regard to its taste. On optimal soil, MT should have a touch of Muscat, low acidity, and should be "fruity". With this in mind, (and in retrospect), the genetic/genomic analysis pointing to Chasselas/Gutedel makes sense. Personally, I found MT from southwest Germany (Baden) very nice. I wonder, if this is due to the higher content of loess (unstratified usually buff to yellowish brown loamy deposit) in the soil, which is typical for the parts of the Rhine valley between Basel and Kaiserstuhl.

bzcolibris

Is "disputed" the right word for the POV of this article? There doesn't seem to be much actual debate and discussion going on. I'm going to go ahead and start adding facts and statistics from the de: page, unless somebody stops me... Paul.w.bennett 19:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Müller Thurgau is an inferior grape compared to Riesling

Müller-Thurgau is an inferior grape compared to Riesling, but even so I agree that the article needs a cleanup. Müller-Thurgau is a grape variety worth a better fate. I myself actually did rewrite the Genealogy part earlier today. I am a chemist and I did the part I'm initiated in. // Lars J, Sweden.

Good data, and a good edit. I just fiddled with the English to make it flow more natively; I hope you don't mind. The de: article claims Madeleine Royal is descended from Chasselas (and then Gutedel). Do you have any thoughts on that? I've removed the Gutedel remark from this article, since it was also not yet translated, and refered to Chasselas originally Paul.w.bennett 16:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to try to tidy up the English again, from a native perspective. Your edits were almost 100% perfect, but the "Depite that" edit does not read easily. I'm not yet sure how to improve while sticking to the spirit and tone of your edit -- yours is definitely the more neutral phrasing, but the grammar is non-standard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paul.w.bennett (talk • contribs) 15:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC).