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- Why was the article moved here from Motley Crue? Are we supposed to avoid special characters? --Jiang
- The correct name of the band is Mötley Crüe, with the heavy metal umlauts included. User:Jsc1973
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[edit] External Links
This is to whoever deleted all the external links except the official site: Why did you do that? Thanks for your answer. And I have re-added the Hit Squad. I don't remember any of the others though.
I would like to know who keeps deleting these links as well.I have added the HitSquad website into the external links part over a dozen times..The hitsquad keeps getting Deleted.Cant you track the ip and bann them from modify?
Another thing...The link that says its the official store is not the official store.
- Perhaps if you didn't keep erasing the link to the official website (or worse, keeping its name but pointing the link to your fan site) people would be more inclined to leave your link alone. GentlemanGhost 16:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the idiot who keeps erasing the HitSquad website would stop doing that others wouldnt touch the official website link.
one more thing and you guys wont here from me again...that link that says the official store for sixx and vince is not the official store.
Actually Swagrox.com says for Nikki and Vince.. not Motley Crue.. becaue it is. Go to sixx.net or neil.net both Official personal websites. and that is their store. Not Fanfire.
[edit] Genre
In my opinion Mötley Crüe is more of a hard rock band than a heavy metal band. They ae possibly the best example of a "Glam Metal" band. Will231982 09:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Will231982
[edit] Pronunciation
How do you pronunce Mötley Crüe? As stated in the article Heavy-metal_umlaut, the members of Mötley Crüe were haunted several years by mispronunciation of their band's name (... but the article doesn't state how it's pronunced correctly). Maybe someone can help out and give an IPA pronunciation for Mötley Crüe? Thanks, --Abdull 22:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It's pronounced "Motley Crew".
Phonetically its pronounced Mot-Lee-kroo not MAHT-lee-kroo as someone seems to think
- Well, if you disregard that it really has Ö and Ü instead of O and U, then it shall indeed definately be pronounced only as Motley Crew. As it's likely just American "germanification" (heavy-metal-umlaut), this is probably also their proper pronounciation.
[edit] Semantics in Introduction
"Despite their notoriety, Mötley Crüe is considered one of the most successful American hard rock bands" - despite their notoriety? Isn't notoriety a state of being well-known? Why would you describe someone as successful despite being well-known? Beeeej 03:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- I was just about to comment to that effect. Someone's obviously got their words mixed up or something. Suggest this is changed ASAP. Lots of love, Tim
[edit] Heavy metal umlaut
Mötley Crüe are perhaps the best-known users of the heavy metal umlaut
Not entirely true. Motörhead also use it and they're also very famous.
It's arguable, but I think Motley Crue are more famous than motorhead.
To avoid generalizations and unnecessary arguments, the use of "qualifiers" and the avoidance of superlatives are almost always safe tools in writing feature articles. Instead of pitting Mötley Crüe and Motörhead against each other--both of which are anyway pioneers and popular in their own respective rights--why not simply write: "Motörhead and Mötley Crüe are among the best-known users of the so-called Heavy Metal umlaut"? And concerning which band is more famous--the two bands are both famous anyway in their own rights. Besides, do we not all yearn for a fightless competition to make this world a better place to rock? Elf ideas
[edit] Quaternary
In the discography section an album is listed as Quarternary. This subsequent article was made by an IP address that has made a number of slyly false contributions which I have been tracking down. I checked Chronological Crüe website and saw that there was a special EP Quaternary (different spelling) but some details in the article were contradicted. If you look at the history you can see there was even more blatent vandalish stuff which someone cleaned up already. Could someone knowledgeable about Motley Crue take a look at Quarternary (album) and make sure there isn't false info there.--BirgitteSB 00:39, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
please explain to me how yall came up with the statement that motley is an influential band. success does not equal influence.
- For a LONG time the magazine Guitar (previously called Guitar For The Practicing Musician) listed Motley's Shout at the Devil album as one of the most influential guitar albums of all time. See also http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/50.html#guitaral for top metal albums of the 80s and http://www.muzieklijstjes.nl/KerrangVanaf1982.htm for most influential albums of 1983. Motley's on both. wbm
>>>>>It's safe to say that any band with the success that Motley Crue has had, has influenced other bands. And if you want proof, I'm sure if you went to myspace.com, there'd be numerous bands who have listed Motley Crue as their influences.
[edit] facts
In the list of records labels there very first label "Leathur Records" is missing, it keeps disapearing every time I add it, to whoever does this...Do some research
-I corrected this, including the link to Leathür Records (where the origin of the band's label is
detailed). A Sniper
In 1999, Lee left to pursue a solo career (Due to increasing bad tension between himself and frontman Vince Neil (read Tommy Lee's autobiography Tommyland for more details); he was replaced by Randy Castillo, drummer on several Ozzy Osbourne albums.
Is this a marketing ploy or something? this is an encyclopaedia article. Why must readers be asked to read extrnal publications as part of the article. Maybe this can be given as supplementary information? (Re-phrased?)
Kash --getkashyap 04:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'll re-read that section of The Dirt, and paraphrase details so as not to infringe.
Dudewhiterussian 04:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Matthew Trippe
As a huge Crüe fan from the 80s, I remember reading a story late in the decade about a guy named Matthew Trippe who claimed to be Nikki for a time. I actually forgot about it for at least a decade before tonight. I Googled him and came up with the following link: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~cruekiss/sixxpakk.htm. Anyone know if there's any truth whatsoever about Matthew replacing Frank for a period of time? I find it hard to believe he went through so much trouble if there was absolutely no connection between him and Crüe at all. I'm not saying he replaced Frank for a while ... but it's likely the truth is somewhere in the middle. Just curious.
- He's just some stupid attention seeking idiot. He was never involved with Motley Crue.
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- The Matt Trippe thing is bullshit. The pictures from the shout at the devil era and the Theatre Of Pain era are the same. The shout at the devil album was released in 1982 I believe so this new Nikki Sixx couldn't have wrote some songs he claimed to write {such as "knock 'em dead kid} plus if you read the dirt there are stories behind that song and songs like dancing on glass {another one he claimed to write} from Nikki and there's a bunch of stuff from the period of time where nikki suppossedly was replaced by this guy. Something this big couldn't have been kept a secret especially to the diehards. The lyrics were defintely Nikki's cuzz they were his stories and his style. All concert footage , music videos and pictures from that era clearly have Nikki. No impersonator has every single feature the same or hair and Nikki had his own special method of doing his hair. -JJ
[edit] Motley Crue influential?
why is motley considered and influential band? that term should be reserved for ground breaking artists such as bob dylan or hendrix not a bunch of jerk offs who cant write a song from any perespective other than that of a penis.
- Because they basically invented glam metal, which opened the door for other artists who ripped off their style and turned it into radio friendly pop. They were also one of the first commercially viable heavy metal groups. Oh, and Bob Dylan is an overrated hack.
Motley Crue is heavy metal. Motley Crue has always been heavy metal and they regarded as one of the best metal bands of all-time.
Bob Dylan isn't metal and neither is Jim Hendrix.
They invented Glam metal? Ever heard of the New York Dolls?
New York Dolls influenced glam metal and such but their music certainly wasn't it.
[edit] Home Sweet Home chart position
According to Billboard's website, Home Sweet Home peaked at #37 in 1992. This is the remixed version. The original version didn't chart.
Please allow tme to be specific with the chart history for Home Sweet Home. The song, Home Sweet Home, peaked at #38 on the Mainstream Rock tracks and failed to make the Hot 100 in 1985. It was not until 1992 did Home Sweet Home chart. It peaked at #37 on the Hot 100. This information is obtained directly from Billboard.com.
HOME SWEET HOME (THE ORIGINAL) NEVER MADE THE HOT 100.
[edit] Pictures
All of the pictures on this page are of Motley Crue now and as a band that's image is defined by the 80s, wouldn't it be logical to try and find a image of them in the 80s that could be put on wikipedia and maybe replace one or two of the images? what do you all think? (Revo 15:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC))
>>>No. The band no longer looks like they did in the 80s...just stick to the present. If they weren't currently together it would be fine to use pictures from back then, but since they're doing "stuff" now, I think current pictures should be used.
>>> YES!. i strongly disagree you have lots of other pages with pictures of people in there "hey day" and not just present photos so i disagree with teh noob above me and think we should have atleast one picutre of the crue in there prime from the 80`s
[edit] How do you survive a fatal overdose?
"In 1987, Nikki had a fatal overdose of heroin and passed out."
Even if Nikki overdosed to the point where he was clinically or "legally dead" (presumably he wouldn't have actually been legally dead unless a death certificate had been issued but clearly that didn't happen), the very fact that he eventually recovered means that his overdose could not have been fatal.
I've therefore chyanged the wording to "near-fatal".
it should read "injected a fatal dose of heroin and passed out." just because you inject a fatal dose does not mean you will die, have you heard of adrenaline?
also, why even say that he survived a "near-fatal" overdose? thats kinda repetive
- Sixx legally died from the specific heroin dose he took, but obviously he survived it. Darwin's Bulldog 01:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Legacy
Someone added something about Motley Crue being labeled "hair metal" and it being shown negatively on them during the 1980's. This contradicts the glam metal page, which points out the fact that the term "hair metal" was created in the 90's during the hey day of grunge. This doesn't make much sense, considering they were one of the original bands to form the glam metal sound. Also, it said something about being critically panned, despite the fact that both "Too Fast For Love" and "Shout at the Devil" were given praise when they were initially released. Only "Theatre of Pain" and "Girls Girls Girls" were panned, which was because they softened their sound as they gained fans. Also, on an off note, Faster Pussycat doesn't fit in with Warrant, Poison, and Whitesnake at all. I mean seriously, they were never as pop as those three.
Motley Crue is heavy metal. The band is generally regarded as one of the top 20 metal bands of all-time. Motley Crue is HEAVY METAL.
-I'm not the guy who posted earlier but Motley Crue aren't heavy metal. The Shout album borders on metal but compared to today it's not metal. Crue are a hair metal band by some but I just put them in the general hard rock category because their sound varies. Motly Crue are NOT generally regarded as one of the top 20 metal bands of all time, you're just being a fanboy. In fact a lot of people write the crue off as just a hair-metal band. While I disagree with that it doesn't make it less true that a lot of people think the crue is a joke.
I completely disagree with your remarks. I have a recent Hit Parader magazine which named the top 100 metal bands of all-time and at #15, was Motley Crue. If you have listened to any of the music like DR. FEELGOOD, KICKSTART MY HEART, SHOUT AT THE DEVIL and Looks that Kill, you would understand that Motley Crue is indeed heavy metal. Motley Crue is heavy metal and for the record, the song, Home Sweet Home is the #1 power ballad of all-time. Motley Crue is heavy metal and most stores have their albums in the Metal section- not the rock section. Generally speaking, Motley Crue is considered heavy metal and one of the best metal bands of all-time.
---"One time we saw some hookers, but when we got closer, we realised it was Motley Crue.": James Hetfield about Mötley Crüe. Yeah, that's heavy metal...
Yeah cuzz James Hetfield is metal. Two words: St. Anger. I would call Motley Crue either hard rock or heavy metal depending on who you talk to and what you're listening to. Their albums were considered heavy metal when released but aren't considered so now. The self titled album had some metal elements and so did generation swine so it's hard to define.
Well, Mr. Hetfield said that in the eighties. There was no 'St. Anger' but 'Master of Puppets'. And that is supposed to be metal. Anyway, the statement should not be taken too serious.
[edit] NOT members of Motley Crue
O'Dean, Robin and Greg Leon DID NOT play in Motley Crue, period. make sure to remove it on site if it is re-added.
Guitar player Leon played with Tommy Lee in a pre-Motley Crue band named Suite 19, that is all.. through vanity reasons he is just trying to boost it up by pretending he was a part of a major selling band.
Vince Neil, Mick Mars, Tommy Lee & Nikki Sixx was the original line-up playing under the Motley Crue name (They were originally called Christmas with this line-up too). Mick Mars was the one who brought the name "Motley Crue" into the group (see his article); so if people like Leon are added as "former members of Motley Crue" then it is simply false as they have never stepped out on stage under the name "Motley Crue", ever. - Deathrocker 02:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Metallicker isn't a sockpucket of mine, doofis, though we're friends. Greg Leon has no connection with us whatsoever (although we're fans). However, every credible bio on MC includes Leon as an instrumental member responsible for getting Nikki and Tommy together. He rehearsed with them, doing both vocals and guitar before having a falling out with Sixx. His bio refers to a connection with the band, not that he was in it. And as far as not being in MC under that name, many bands go through various incarnations of names and members. Your banter has been condescending and not based on historical fact. My complaint about you will include all of these negative snipes, similar to others complaints about you. A Sniper
- Learn how to spell the word "doofus" if you are going to attempt to insult somebody. As I stated on the other article, we will see in regards to your sock case... there is very strong evidence. This is an article about Motley Crue; whether Leon rehearsed with Tommy Lee before is irrelevent. He never once played in Motley Crue... or Christmas (the band before the name change); thus he doesn't belong here. He is simply not a former member of this band (look at the article title), but a member of Tommy's highschool band Suite 19. - Deathrocker 23:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
