Talk:Lycanthropy

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Contents 1 Personal experiences 2 Jan Potocki 2.1 getting really really sick of people removing my work 3 "Were-people" 4 Moved mythology here 5 Disambiguation 6 howllll 7 Lycanthropy as a condition 8 Lycan Merge tag 9 "A Zeus"? 10 Vandalism edit

[edit] Personal experiences

I started looking for this subject about two years ago when, phenomonally my friends body started to mold itself for the shape of a hybrid animal. Yes unlikely, but very true, with only witness proof.

Now, so far in my hunt for this subject I have encountered more than my fair share of Lycanthropy.

I like the article on this site for Lycanthropy, it is the most detailed and honest(to my information) in my entire search.

Thank You,

Doren Greenfield

Hey! My freind too! Only he turned into a tazmanian devil. He was a devil before anyway.

I myself am one. a black cat with a cresent on my forehead

i beleive its inaccurate to claim that a vampire is an example of lycanthropy, as one oesnt have to be dead to become a lycanthrope.

Gabrielsimon 12:29, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have witnised the transformation many a time the person becomes wolf is the only one I have seen. User:24.224.8.145

Me too. In fact a few hours ago my friend transformed into a dipshit because he actually thought this article was real!...oh wait. --DA Roc 9 July 2005 02:00 (UTC)

Hmm... seems like there are many werewolves out there, or many jokers in here ;) --Arny 03:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jan Potocki

Jan Potocki, author of The Manuscript Found in Saragossa, shot himself with a silver bullet because he believed, perhaps under the influence of syphilitic madness, that he was becoming a werewolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Potocki

Thanks for that, I have put it on the silver bullet page. Rich Farmbrough 00:17, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] getting really really sick of people removing my work

i add " examples include Jenu and Wnedigo" which is true, becasue they are both creatures that werew orgionally human. people keep removing it, for various reaasons, and im getting tired of it, would people please put it back in?Gimmiet 17:53, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

The problem is, as I described in my own stab at editing that section, the original legends of the Wendigo varied as to its origin and the modern werewolf-like conception of it is far from universal either. One can't just say "Wendigos are like werewolves" because it's not true in all cases. One must instead say "Wendigos are like werewolves in certain Wendigo legends and stories", and then hopefully mention some specific stories and legends where that's so. The same applies to the Jenu, which I didn't include in my edit because I've never heard of them before and the Jenu article has no information on which to base a statement. Perhaps you could flesh the Jenu article out more, explaining how they're like werewolves and mentioning which particular legends show them that way? Bryan 18:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Wendigos have thiewr origion in that they were once people, who were cursed, the same h9olds true for Jenu and Werewolves, it also holds simmilarity in that if you kill one, for all three , you become one, its also true of all three that they are large and hairy humanoids.Gimmiet 18:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Vampires were once human, as were many demons and other creatures. Lycanthropes are humans who change into an animal shape, not gigantic humanoids. Also, most of the Wendigo stories feature beings of ice or stone skin, not hair. But even if it were hair that doesn't make them a lycanthrope. Only modern fiction and a few stray modern white man versions of wendigo tales mention a werewolf connection at all, and that stems from a gross misunderstanding of the original stories, along with an obvious attempt to use the figure in stgories ina way familiar to most readers. The statement that "it also holds simmilarity in that if you kill one, for all three , you become one" is complete nonsense for all three figures and has no bearing on the topic of this article anyway, as that's not how lycanthropes are formed at all, and even if you reverse it to being killed by one makes one it's still irrelevant for lycanthropes (except in bad modern fiction) and completely wrong for wendigos as well.

If you are sick of people removing your work, perhaps you should make a greater attempt to create additions that are factual, verifiable and NPOV (speaking of edits moreso on other pages here). This is all within your control. Complaining about people removing your shoddy, poorly-worded and researched additions is like the guy who killed his own parents begging for mercy because he was an orphan. DreamGuy 21:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Vampires are not lycanthropes.. this article is unclear to me.. and there is confusion with the terms 'therianthrope' and 'lycanthrope'. And vampires are human. Not "once human".. Loocifah 18:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Vampires are not human, they were formerly human. I hope you are not Gabriel back under a new name trying to raise old complaints you lost on after you were permanently banned from Wikipedia. DreamGuy 03:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Were-people"

In "Lycanthropy in South America" there are mentioned were-men and were-women. Since it is a fact that "were" means "man", and that the compound words like "werewolf" or "were-animal" mean "man-wolf" and "man-animal", this form is misleading, since "were-man" would actually mean "man-man". I know "were" is widely used and popular for any kind of "werecreature", but something else should be chosen here. --Arny 03:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The English language is filled with things like that, but that is how it evolved and how it is used now. It doesn't have to make sense to be understood. Coyoty 00:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it should make sense anyway. Were-people is just bad and inaccurate. It's not a question of English being like that because "Were-people" is not an English word, it's a made up neologism by ignorant people. DreamGuy 03:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved mythology here

My mythology additions were removed from therianthropy because they supposedly belong in lycanthropy, according to DreamGuy. I guess therianthropy is being shaped as an article that is entirely resistant to mythology about therianthropy, so I moved my therianthropy mythology section here. All of my sources are cited. I'm writing about this here because I don't want to be accused of being "sneaky" again. Yes, I'm totally honest about what I'm doing.Blue Milk Mathematician 01:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

I find myself firmly disagreeing with DreamGuy's removal of the Lycanthropy (film) disambiguation from this article, and figured I should bring it to talk to see what can be done with discussion. Under Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Confusion this seems like a clear-cut case to me; the movie's name is "Lycanthropy" so anyone looking for information on it is going to wind up here on this page. The fact that the movie is a fairly minor topic compared to lycanthropy in general is irrelevant to that - for example atheism, an article on a major philosophical and religious topic, has a disambiguation to a three-album death metal band Atheist (band) at the top. The only reason I can think of why there shouldn't be a disambig link is if there shouldn't be an article about the movie at all, and even direct to video it seems to fit in with the prominence of some of the other movies with articles in Category:Werewolves in film and television. Bryan 07:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

This "film" is not a real film at this point, but an IMDB report of an announced direct to video release by an editor/writer with no real professional background. IMDB lets people edit their database and submit info about personal films by people working out of their garages. This "film" does not meet the standard necessary to be listed in this encyclopedia at all. When (or, more importantly, IF) this ever gets released, then maybe it could be listed. "Films" without articles at all should never be mentioned in a disambiguation setting (without an article, there is nothing to disambiguate) and this film was not listed until you took it upon yorself to make an article for it based upon IMDB data that has not been verified.

Furthermore, if films in that category you mentioned are less prominent, then those should be delisted. This encyclopedia being open means that lots of people come here to list things that shouldn;t be listed. The presense of massive amounts of spam in certain articles,for example, in no way justifies further spam elsewhere. DreamGuy 08:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] howllll

I wish to add one could be manny were-beasts as my werefox

[edit] Lycanthropy as a condition

The opening paragraph implies that people with lycanthropy can choose to turn into a wolf, but in many or most stories lycanthropy is a condition that forces one to transform. Should the opening line be changed to reflect this? --Arctic Gnome 22:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lycan Merge tag

"Lycan" is a slang word used almost entirely in fiction. I've never seen it in folklore. Plus, the Lycan article is almost entirely about the brand of werewolves in just one film. I vote for "No Merge."Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 16:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• I vote no as well, and only added the tag to get some sort of finality from the merge request. Radagast83 16:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

They're gone now.Radagast83 05:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "A Zeus"?

"was turned into a ravenous wolf in retribution for attempting to serve human flesh (his own son) to a visiting Zeus in an attempt to disprove the god's divinity."

I was wondering whether this is a mistake and should be corrected to read:

"was turned into a ravenous wolf in retribution for attempting to serve human flesh (his own son) to visiting Zeus in an attempt to disprove the god's divinity."

[edit] Vandalism edit

I am going to edit the following material I descovered in the article, due to vulgarity and false information.

The word lycanthropy is often used generically for any transformation of a human into animal form, though the precise term for that is technically "therianthropy". Sometimes, "assholethropy" is used instead of "bitchhoethropy" (Guiley, 192). Folk-etymology also links the word to Lycaon, a king of Arcadia who, according to Ovid's Metamorphoses, was turned into a queer as fuck wolf in retribution for attempting to fuck male human flesh (his own son) to visiting Zeus in an attempt to disprove the god's masculinity. There is also a mental illness called lycanthropy in which a patient believes he or she is, or has transformed into, an animal and behaves like a dick. This is sometimes referred to as mental retardation to distinguish it from its use in the real worlds.

,Facade

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When I attempted to repair the miswritten information, the article had repaired itself. I will make no further attempts.