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[edit] Non-RSO Organizations

The PLI (Pastoral Leadership Institute) is a controlling, manipulative cult group hiding under the veil of the LCMS, formerly a shining bastion of conservative Scripture-based Christianity. It has now been pushed upon associated church bodies of the ILC and others around the world.

Under the attractive thematic slogan of “Connecting People to Jesus,” PLI’s departure from clear Biblical preaching of repentance and forgiveness of sins betrays PLI’s actual connecting people to a false Jesus, and thus away from the Way, the Truth, the Life and directly to death and damnation.

Besides the basic theological problems, it should be no secret as to why this organization has had difficulty attaining Recognized Service Organization status within the LCMS. The basic premise is that such basic theologies are too traditional, non-missional, nonprogressive and dry for people; and simply not as attractive as more colorful, mesmerizing and crowd-swooning styles and topics. The premise may be true, but the means leave much to be debated.

Like Mormonism, PLI masquerades publicly as an upright, friendly, family & community loving entity. However, it promotes non-accountable hierarchal bureaucracies with power-brokers who are coldly indifferent and non-communicative with those with probing questions. PLI is quick to condemn others as being unforgiving, unloving and inflexible. If such accusations were true, all responses would be similar or more acidic and even hateful like this very diatribe. But many of the others are far more patient, kind and long-suffering of the abuses from PLI proponents. The conflicts of conscience are wearing and destructive on many levels for these others.

PLI is shrouded in secrecy with hidden non-public agendas and elitist unapproachable attitudes. Like the KKK, Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, anybody may be nominated to participate, however, ultimate control of who is “qualified,” to be trained or to be more in-tune with its operations to any measure, is determined by a select few. LCMS District Presidents and others may add or delete names of candidates regardless of who was nominated. In a similar fashion, PLI congregations may invoke or remove agendas regardless of what its voters assemblies vote. It is all about style with no substance. Though voters assemblies may make mistakes, deceit guarantees nothing but mistakes.

Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the ICC, the PLI compels its participants to not associate with former acquaintances, friends or family but to ignore them especially if those former acquaintances are well-informed of different persuasions because that would be a “waste of time.”

Unlike the Good-Samaritan teaching, PLI promotes cold anti-Christian tactics of callous indifference towards and distancing from “whiny Christians.” This has been seen in hospital wards where former fellow parishioners are coldly bypassed and spited by PLI “pastors.”

PLI teaches themes of “forgiveness,” but PLI’s promoted practices show the true monstrous mutation of what was once a beautiful word—that beautiful word that was, and is and always will be the core to the Gospel of Christ and Him Crucified; and His taking on the sins of the world.192.31.106.34 19:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Logo

[edit] Official LCMS Statement Regarding Logo Use on Wikipedia

Finally!:

Please forgive me for taking so long to write back about placing the LCMS cross logo on our Wikipedia site. We have reviewed this request and the site and have determined that it would be fine at this time to include the logo on the site. We appreciate very much your request to do and appreciate you taking the time to get this done. Please let me know if you have any questions about this or if we can be of assistance in any other way.

Blessings on your day,
Vicki Biggs
Manager, Public Affairs & Media Relations
The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod
(314) 996-1236

That clears that up! --Dulcimerist 10:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infallibillity vs Inerrancy

I've created a new page entitled: Biblical infallibility. It links to Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod at one point. The Lutheran church was at the center of this debate in the 70's and 80's and it would be great if any of oyu could help edit this page. Thanks! --DjSamwise 00:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I will try to figure out a category to place this article under, and hope to have time to look it over and add to it. Perhaps additional people could help with this as well? Thanks! Dulcimerist 19:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LCMS Districts

This looks like a fun section to work on! I could build a decent Montana District page, as I talk a lot with the district archivist. What type of information are we looking for on the district pages? Thanks! --Dulcimerist 10:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

As I responded to your talk comment on the Montana article, getting into the history of the various districts would be useful at this point (as would photos of churches and district presidents). The main possibility is the creation of articles for individual churches (see Wikipedia:Notability (local churches and other religious congregations), a guideline being currently developed). I believe there are only 9 articles for LCMS churches so far, though there are at least 150 under Category:Roman Catholic churches in the United States. When I created the district articles, I made links for all the LCMS churches that are on the National Register of Historic Places (I think I got all of them), so those certainly qualify for articles. Particularly for old churches in small to medium-size towns, there may be significant coverage in local newspapers (particularly around notable anniversaries - 50th, 100th, etc.). Designation as a state or local landmark is a big help as well. I'd advise starting with the oldest and/or largest churches in each district or circuit; for any church, if there's another congregation in its circuit which is both older and larger, then that church should almost certainly have an article first. I know there's a bit of controversy in Wikipedia about articles for individual churches (Notre Dame de Paris is certainly deserving of an article, but I don't think articles for non-denominational storefront congregations with 20 members are advisable), so proceeding with the best possible approach is to everyone's advantage. MisfitToys 00:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! As to articles for individual churches, would these be pages placed under the district pages in the hierarchy structure? I've got good information on quite a few of the oldest churches in the Montana district. If a "dummy template" is available, I can get to work on those when I have time. --Dulcimerist 17:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)