User talk:Lurker

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I don't log in every day, so if you really need to get hold of me for any reason and can't wait a few days, send me an email.

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Please sign your comments with ~~~~ otherwise I won't reply, and will delete your comment.

I've removed some old comments. If there's any need to look them up, there's always the page history. I'll get round to making some archives when I have more messages to archive.

[edit] Fascism portal

At the same time you created your template for the Fascism portal I started work on one too. I've saved my changes at Portal:Fascism. I think that this portal is going to happen so feel free to add what you want (with in reason, of course) to the new portal. - DNewhall

Joe 00:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)For the Bibliography section, I have a list of books on Hitler, and numerous tyrants and dictators in Latin America, which turns out to be quite a collection of committers of war crimes. I would be happy to add them, but there is currently no section entitled biography to edit. I'm not familiar with how to set that up, so if you do that small thing, I can add maybe 30 books properly cited to the Fascism portal. I didn't start out to read about the topic deliberately, but in trying to understand Latin America better, I have read the biographies of quite a few military dictators. - JF Dunphy

[edit] Query

Hi Lurker, could you show me what source said of the Miller verdict that it "therefore constitutes murder under UK law." [1] I'm curious because unlawful killing is not necessarily murder, and also because there is no such thing as "UK law." SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

And could you also say which source said the firing was intended to kill him? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User Name

My name does not imply anythign of the sort. Please do not vandalise my talk page. Oh, and if you post here without signing and as a non logged-in user, I will ignore you.

[edit] Confusion

Hi, When I saw that you had removed what looked like a warning from your user talk, I reverted instantly. Then I checked your history and saw that the warning had been addded by an IP, so I removed my warning and then reverted to your revert. In short, I was being overcautious, but it should be sorted out now :D. Martinp23 12:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

For correcting my Citing on Minimum Wage. Sprinkles 01:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Noticed you posted today on the Esperanza coffee lounge- hope you decide to stay! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 20:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CELEBRITIES WORLDWIDE/UPFRONT TV

Hi there - you gave me some pointers in putting up the above articles, which are still scheduled for deletion - I have changed them quite radically - could you give me some feedback on the respective AfD Pages? Thanks mate! Sixorgansofadmittance 13:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Bingoadvantage

Done. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 23:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of article Halogrid

About my article's[2] deletion, i am not meaning it as an advertisement. It is a famous site and has been included many times as a spotlight on Halo.Bungie.Org and has been mentioned as a site on G4TV.com. I am still making the article, I just published it as of right now because The site has a lot of information about it and its kinda long to write. If you have AIM, would you like to continue talking on thie subject of my article's deletion there? Please, I am not meaning this as an advertisement.

[edit] Longniddry Primary

Why have you queried the neutrality of the Longniddry Primary School page and quite probably made notable changes?

I haven't made any changes, apart from adding the POV tag. If you want to know why, have a look at the revison before mine [3], full of "one of the best schools in Scotland" and "best class ever".

P.S I find it easier to respond to comments which are signed, and are made by a logged-in user with their own talk page. If you have an account, please log in and sign comments so it is easier to reply to you. If you don't have an account, consider signing up. Lurker ^oi! 13:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] August Esperanza Newsletter

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The last AC meeting (full log)
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[edit] Autoblock

Hi Lurker! Glad you're free of the autoblock at last. If it happens again, stick {{unblock}} on this talk page (your logged-in one) and a stick a copy-and-paste of the entire message you see when you try to edit. Any admin can then lift the autoblock in seconds. Well, minutes. Well, sometimes about half an hour or so (if the software is being uncooperative). Sorry you were inconvenienced by the block and glad all's well now! Happy editing! :o) ➨ ЯEDVERS 14:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spam

No, I meant in a sandwich. WilyD 17:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Scotland

Following a successful period of consultation WikiProject Scotland has now been launched. As a participant in the Scottish Wikipedians' notice board I wonder if you may be interested in this new endeavour too? If so, please sign-up here. The WikiProject will be replacing some of the functions of the notice board, especially those in the lower half.

While I am here, please also have a look at the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Scotland and give it a "Watch". It was started up by User:Visviva a few days ago, after long being mooted at the notice board, and effectively replaces all the AfD listings at the notice board. Being a transclusion of all the on-going discussions it is a much more useful tool.

Even if you do not want to spend too much time on the WikiProject, please give it a "Watch" and feel free to contribute to Talk page discussions: the more contributors the merrier.

All the best. --Mais oui! 11:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade
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The last AC meeting (full log)
The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly!
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[edit] You have mail

You have a reply waiting for you at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Admin coaching The Transhumanist 18:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Admin Coaching (needs coaches!)
Admin Coaching needs coaches!!! If you are an administrator, or even a generally experienced user, do consider signing up to be a coach. Admin Coaching, now being coordinated by HighwayCello, is a program for people who want help learning some of the more subtle aspects of Wikipedia policy and culture. People are matched with experienced users who are willing to offer coaching. The program is designed for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins.
What's New?
The Tutorial Drive is a new Esperanza program! In an effort to make complicated processes on Wikipedia easier for everyone, Esperanza working to create and compile a list of tutorials about processes here on Wikipedia. Consider writing one!
A discussion on how Esperanza relates to the encyclopedia has been started; please add your thoughts.
Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log)
The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello.
Signed...
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[edit] ==Church article deletions==

I follow these and tried to get something going toward a guideline, but only got a few comments when I started a topic (now archived) at Wikipedia:Notability. I have saved a copy of it at my talk page, and I would welcome your thoughts there. I object to notability being restricted to megachurches, although they are usually notable by virtue of having lots of newspaper and magazine articles. Churches might otherwise be famous because of a famous preacher or member, because some religious doctrine invented there started a new important movement or denomination, because an important musician (Bach? Thomas Dorsey?) or style of music (Gospel?) or famous hymns originated there, or because the building is famous architecturally, or because it is in the news all the time (blown up in the civil rights movement, hotbed of radicalism) or because they were recognized by an outside body as important in some way. The key thing appears to be multiple independent reliable and verifiable coverage, as in newspapers, magazines, and documentaries. What do you think? Edison 18:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demonic Computers

Hi Lurker,

I would just like to ask what is wrong with the article that i placed on Wikipedia? and please help me to regtify it... as we need your help on this matter. Regards,

Howard Shone

[edit] Re: Vandalism

Excuse me? This has already been discussed before. Please see Talk:East Lake-Orient Park, Florida or Talk: East Lake Square Mall. I don't take kindly that you're calling me a vandal. Please take the time to research before personally attacking me. Thank you --Moreau36 20:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Look, apologies for accidently reverting, but, next time, leave me a message before taking such action, so that I would be on notice beforehand. Please look at my history before you accuse me of doing something that I don't. I'm here to contribute, NOT to vandlize every article. Thank you. --Moreau36 15:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Gibraltarians

Hi Lurker. Is it normal that this article was deleted considering the lack of consensus? I feel something should be done about it, as this action seems to violate wikipedia rules....

Cheers!:-)--Burgas00 21:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you gave your vote here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_4 Thanks alot! --Burgas00 15:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching, etc.

Are you ready to get started?

The waiting time over at Admin coaching is long (some people have been waiting in line since July). I'm an admin coach with the project, and for my students I set up a group discussion page so that we could all learn from each other. The scope of this concept has expanded into the Virtual classroom, which is an open forum for the teaching and learning of advanced Wikipedia skills.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to participate, as a student, as a coach, or both. Every week or two a new major topic of discussion or classroom assignment is introduced, usually with a guest writer who presents his or her expertise on the current subject and who remains on hand to answer questions. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the discussions, such as sharing your expertise, asking and answering questions, etc.

The current topic of discussion is vandalism, and our guest writer is Budgiekiller.

All discussions are open-ended, so all previous discussion topics and classroom assignments are still there for viewing and further participation. There are also sections for posting miscellaneous topics and questions, requesting coaching assistance, etc.

In addition to inviting those who would like to learn, I routinely invite experts from all over Wikipedia to come and contribute for the benefit of all. The VC is rapidly turning into a clearing house of the best resources, methods, and techniques known for working on Wikipedia.

You are cordially invited to participate.

Here's an announcement box which you can place on your userpage or at the top of your talk page for keeping up to date with classroom assignments.

Virtual classroom lessons
6. Yuser, on fighting linkspam
5. Learning the ropes
4. Elaragirl, about deletion and deletionism
3. The Rambling Man, on vandalism
2. Grutness's guide to stubbing
1. Compare your user interfaces with what others use
0. Coaching section - active training-in-progress
- Miscellaneous questions and comments - anything goes
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I hope to see you there. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 08:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting you an admin coach

Hi Lurker. According to our request page, you are at or near the top of the list. Would you still like a coach? If so I will match you with one. Please let me know. Thanks! --Fang Aili ^talk 18:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CHURCH resurrected from the dead

The WP:CHURCH proposed guideline was merged into WP:LOCAL which basically says anything which does not clearly meet WP:N with multiple independent references should just be given a brief mention on the article for the city. The merge was actually a redirect which put the proposed guide out of site. Then it was brought back when I commented that there had not been a consensus for eliminating it. It appears that WP:MALL was headed for the same fate. I note that Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games has a featured article, Torchic, which is one of the 493 fictional species of Pokémon creatures from the Pokémon media franchise. There are articles about video/computer game characters in games which were never released. These come from a project, which is a coalition of editors who are interested in a particular thing (video games, state highways, etc) and who have a project page to create standards for such articles, to improve stubby articles, and to list articles which are up for deletion. I am not trying to remove all video games and the character therein, but I would like to see churches or other entities presently getting deleted as "just another non-notable church" afforded the same playing field as articles about electronic or fictional entities. It strikes me that a fictional character in a video game which was never released is probably as dependent on sources which would not be judged sufficiently mainstream, verifiable, and independent for say a church, a library, or a shopping mall. The project for video games says "External links and references. Cite sources! If you're unsure what to include for references, game instruction booklets, guides, reviews, and interviews are all good candidates. Make sure to include a link to Wikibooks if there's a relevant Wikibooks article." They also tell project members to go to old video game magazines lurking in the closet. Now lets see how such a project could apply to churches: Check with the church archives, local newspaper, library, and historical society, as well as long-time church members for their clip file on the church. Check with the denominational magazine for articles about the church. A game instruction book or guide seems as non-independent of the subject as a church history for the local congregation. What do you think about a project for churches? One thing it would do is mentor article creators so they create an article with content which maximizes the chances of surviving AfD, and volunteers with access to large media databases could find articles the pastor or article creator couldn't. Edison 15:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Limbaugh mediation request

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rush Limbaugh, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Kpedsea 02:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Would you please indicate your agreement (or disagrement) with the mediation request on the RfM page? (I listed you as an "Involved party"). Thanks! Kpedsea 02:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] Rejection of WP:CONG/WP:CHURCH

There is a move to label this proposed guideline, to which you contributed,as "rejected." Please add your thoughts to the discussion. Thanks. Edison 05:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scald Law

The article you wrote, Scald Law, is uncategorized. Please help improve it by adding it to one or more categories, so it may be associated with related articles. A stub marker or other template doesn't count - please put in an actual category in the article. Eli Falk 14:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rush Limbaugh

Lurker, please do not revert Rush Limbaugh again if someone reinserts the material again so you do not run afoul of WP:3RR. I appreciate that you're trying to do the right thing and I don't think you would exceed 3RR, but I wanted to make sure you were aware that you've reached the threshold. Getaway has been reported for his 3RR violation. Again, not trying to be a dick, just giving you a heads up. Be well! Vassyana 05:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving a comment on my talk page. Like I said, I didn't think you'd push pass the threshold, but I've seen some excellant editors go over the limit in the heat of edit wars. Apologies for my poorly worded note. I also hope the issue does not require mediation for resolution. While there are a couple very vocal and active editors trying to bull through it's inclusion, it does seem as though consensus is against them. Vassyana 15:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3rr

Many people make mistaken 3RR reports. You're the only one I know of who has apologised. Don't feel bad about it William M. Connolley 15:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I've always thought someone who makes a mistake should apologise, so I did so. It's the polite thing to do. Lurker ^oi! 15:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fettes College

If it is sourced. I think you should point out where and how ? Noremacnomis.

[edit] Your edits to Go Daddy

Comment left at Talk:Go Daddy. GreenJoe 15:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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