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[edit] Photo not from the original version

Isn't the picture from the SNES version?

Yes, is that a problem? Andre (talk) 00:34, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
No, don't be silly. That's from SMA, the remade SMB2.
Yes, it's from Super Mario Allstars, the SNES game. I updated the caption. Also, for anyone in future planning on taking a screenshot from their SNES emulator (you naughty things), please make sure you're not using some special display mode that changes the picture quality. An example is Snes9x's "SuperEagle" mode, which rounds all a sprite's edges. Whack it back to normal for your screenshots. Rufous 20:55, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

to my knowledge its for Nintendo Snes or a emulator (game compatability adapter) please tell me what a SUPER EAGLEmode is

[edit] Costume Changes?

One interesting thing to note would be the change in costume that Luigi, like Mario, has undergone since 1983. Luigi used to be Green and Grey/Brown depending on which version of Mario Bros. you played, and then in Super Mario Bros. they made him White and Green. After that, of course, his costume became as we know him now, but I figured it would be nice to note how he has changed thus far. --Yahweh 05:50, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup.

Needs better sectioning and organizing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:17, 14 September 2005 (UTC) thats crazy

[edit] Moving to Luigi.

I am going to move this article to Luigi. No disambig page is needed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Luigi Mario

Luigi Mario is definetely his full name. I removed the text "believed to be [Luigi Mario]", "generally accepted as [canon]" and "it has never been supported by Nintendo," because it has. I directly mailed (snail mail) Nintendo many years ago when I was younger asking that question in particular, and they replied back telling me Luigi and Mario's last names were, in fact, "Mario." --Antoshi 07:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC) I highly doubt that

I'm quite disinclined to consider a letter to a fan, especially one introduced as anecdotal evidence, to be canonical. And the film and series certainly aren't canon. I believe that text should be replaced unless it's been shown that Miyamoto actually confirmed this. Other opinions? -- J44xm 22:10, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I hardly doubt that Nintendo would lie to a fan. The original text for the article says that "Nintendo has not confirmed this", however says that Miyamoto, who created the characters, did confirm it. --Antoshi 07:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
It's not really a matter of lying, and I don't intend to

invalidate your letter. Nintendo of America has at times deviated from the source material. (Naming Peach "Toadstool" is a good example of this.) It's very possible that NoA did hold their surname to be Mario, but I'm not sure that anything even halfway canonical from Japan has ever claimed this. The article says that Miyamoto confirmed this, but there's no telling if that's true at all, which is why is should be mentioned with a grain of salt, as it were. Unless someone can confirm this, it's my opinion that the original text should be replaced, even if it's with a claim that NoA has, at least in the past, supported the Mario surname. (There's also a possibility that NoA retconned this.) -- J44xm 05:57, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps I should go ahead and try to find as much evidence supporting this as possible. This way, there won't have to be any mix-ups, reverts or contested additions to the article. --Antoshi 08:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
It wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly, because the Mario surname issue has been contested for some time. -- J44xm 03:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, after a while, I finally got this. From Deezer at themushroomkingdom.net:
"It's possible that there may not be another source. However, the title
"Mario Brothers" implies that they are brothers sharing the last name
"Mario". For example, the Everly Brothers are Don Everly and Phil
Everly. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everly_Brothers>"
That one is pretty obvious. Is it good enough to be considered canon? --Antoshi 20:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I can appreciate your effort on this. Believe you me, I've been wondering about this for decades. But to answer your question, it's not canon. This is conjecture. Like the quote says, it could imply that but such individual impressions and assumptions are far from canonical (e.g., a game clearly saying so, Miyamoto saying so on record), so the article shouldn't read that "Mario" is their last name. The article should read that it might actually be their name, and that certain evidence could support this (e.g., the name Mario Bros.); but it shouldn't be stated that it is their name until something hard and tangible comes from Nintendo of Japan to support this. I think there should be a note, in your favor, that Nintendo of America (who, for things like this, is more of a middleman, really) has, on occasion, said this is so in the past. -- J44xm 12:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
The letters are original research and unverifiable. To cite WP itself -
Suppose you are writing a Wikipedia entry on a famous physicist's Theory X, which has been published in peer-reviewed journals and is therefore an appropriate subject for a Wikipedia article. However, in the course of writing the article, you contact the physicist and he tells you: "Actually, I now believe Theory X to be completely false." Even though you have this from the author himself, you cannot include the fact that he said it in your Wikipedia entry. Why not? Because it is not verifiable in a way that would satisfy the Wikipedia readership or other editors.
Basically, until some reputable sources start throwing it around (could happen one day, as interest in the Mario universe is quite strong and ever-increasing), the info is original research, and there isn't much that can be done about it. Mentioning the controversy would be fine, if you can indeed prove that there is controversy (shouldn't be too hard). Kil 18:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not even sure it's fair to call this bit speculation "widely believed among fans". It's a theory, but not one that's been widely documented. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 03:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in Super Mario 64 DS, a certain toad is impressed with Luigi and says' we'll have to start calling you the Luigi brothers soon.' They only call them Mario bros. because Mario does everything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.34 (talk • contribs) .

Actually, Mario and Luigi's last name is Serigali. If you see on G4, in Game Makers about Mario, you see that they say about Mario and Luigi's last name.

[edit] Needs more images. Plus Anime OVA trilogy.

Compared to Mario's profile, Luigi seems lacking in images. All there is are the picture at the top of the article and Baby Luigi's picture.

Also, the article does not mention Luigi's appearance at the end of the Shiroyukihime chapter of the OVA trilogy. Here is a picture of his appearance in the story. - NES Boy 23:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] last name

its not hard to see that Luigi's last name is indeed 'Mario'. it said so in the movie and all the games have it writen on the top. "Mario Bros." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.111.2.2 (talk • contribs) . maybe you are right afterall.

[edit] Luigi's Mansion

How is this not mentioned at all in this article when it's Luigi's first official game for himself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.127.102.255 (talk • contribs) .

Maybe because it was (in my opinion) a stupid game. Wesz 09:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC) Maybe it's no fun (to you)but to me it's more fun than dancing around like a circus clown with entranced mushrooms in Super Mario Sunshine (both games are for Nintendo Gamecube. But this isn't about YOUR opininon, it's about the truth or facts, and the fact is that besides the fact that Luigi also starred in the Where's Mario game, he was also in this game and we have to at least mention it--Trowa440

[edit] Luigi's powers

Right now the 'powers' section includes a statement that it's believed that Luigi has "control over gravity". Unless this if from some anime, instruction manual, or other source I'm unaware of, that seems like kind of a silly statement. Obviously, normal physics don't apply within the Mario universe. People routinely run up walls, walk on clouds, and jump twice their own height vertically -- plus, I'm guessing flying turtles would probably be somewhat less than aerodynamically sound in real life. So, does this assertion have a source? Because if not, I think it's better not to worry about concepts like "gravity" in the within Mushroom Kingdom. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 00:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Who ever told you that Luigi has control over gravity lied to you.

[edit] Development Section

I've added one, per other characters I've seen, in order to give the character some real-world background. Comments (and thoughtful edits, naturally!) would be extremely appreciated. I'm not sure if the tone is too conversational. I do have sources for all the information, although there might reference or two I have to add tommorrow. -- Lee Bailey(talk) 03:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Super Mario 2. when you hold jump you hover. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.147.166 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Further Cleanup

In order to avoid having a lot of short sections, I've attempted to combine the sections on Luigi's age, personality, and popularity into a section called "character". All of these sections cover elements of the fictional character; I left powers separate for now. -- Lee Bailey(talk)

I removed this section...
There is also an officially licensed tee-shirt bearing the slogan "I Scored With The Princess", featuring an image of Luigi and Peach running whilst holding hands (although it does look more like Peach is being pulled by Luigi rather than running alongside him. Also the picture used is from Super Mario Bros. 3. official artwork. In the original artwork, Luigi and the Princess are running beside Toad while Raccoon Mario flies above). This tee-shirt is an authorised piece of merchandise by Nintendo of America, however it may just be a tongue-in-cheek joke, and doesn't necessarily have any baring on the canon of the game series. It is interesting to note though that the image on the tee-shirt has the "L" on Luigi's cap removed. This might suggest that the designers were trying to avoid the fact that it is blatantly Luigi in the depicted artwork.
...because unless I've missed an alternate design of this shirt, it appears that the design is not in color. Without the red/green indicator, there's no reason to assume this isn't supposed to be Mario. Yes, that's based on stock art of Luigi, but if you compare the shirt image here [1] with the original image at http://soulrain.tripod.com/LAS/pics/082500/il_smb_36.jpg (hosted by tripod, so copy/paste into browser) ... you can see the original image already included Luigi pulling the Princess by her arm, as he, Princess, and Toad are all running away from something -- not particularly romantic. It appears this is just cheap image recycling. This might have even been an unlicenced shirt design originally; I'm noticed a lot of inaccurate, unofficially looking merchandise coming from Nintendo these days. In any case, I don't think we should be basing our Luigi/Princess speculation on this. (And can you really say it's fair to describe that as "holding hands" anyway?) -- Lee Bailey(talk)

[edit] Super Smash Bros.

I added a section on his Super Smash Bros. appearences because they were hardly mensioned. Please add more info if you wish, I only put in how to unlock him. Thanks.

[edit] Why did this page move?

Move it back!--NFAN3 12:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Can we have this page moved back to it's original title (Luigi)? It was moved to "Luigi (Mario)" without any discussion before the move. I think that an Admim is required to do this. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Contact the video game WikiProject to hear their opinion, then go to requested moves to request moving it back. -- ReyBrujo 03:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I did, they don't really care about the move. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Done and done. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 04:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Luigi (Mario) → Luigi – No prior discusson before being moved from Luigi to Luigi (Mario) SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 04:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Support Easily the most common Luigi. TJ Spyke 01:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments

A user had moved this page without discussing it, and failed to change any links associated with it. Just to create a disambiguation page at Luigi (which is now a re-direct). -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's put off a vote until we discuss for a bit, eh? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, personally, when I say Luigi, I think in this character. Google returns information about this character first and foremost. The cases that are shown in the disambiguation are not really notable compared with Luigi Mario (I don't want to say a saint is not notable, but if you were talking about a saint, you would likely search for St. Luigi, Saint Luigi or similar). I remember reading somewhere that Wikipedia should go with the "less shocking result": if the casual user inputs Luigi in the search box, where should he arrive? However, PSP exists and is a disambiguation link (I would think just because Paint Shop Pro is a very common search result), both PC and P.C. exists and are disambiguation links, ET exists and is a disambiguation link, etc, I would not really care if Luigi were a disambiguation link, even though common sense states it should not be. -- ReyBrujo 12:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • To be honest, I really don't care. I prefer Luigi to be the character, due to its popularity, and the unlikely event that people searching for it want someone else. Looking at the amount of redirects going into Luigi Orione, I really doubt that anyone searching for that will end up here. The only other Luigi article of worth is for a 60s Italian singer, and I think that this is easily the most wanted article. - Hahnchen 23:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Clearly Luigi is just as popular as his brother Mario. And as you can tell, Mario's page is just named "Mario". Any real person with these first names will also have a last name as well. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Why not Luigi Mario? The film named the characters Mario Mario and Luigi Mario (though the film may not be considered canon) and they are the Mario Brothers, suggesting their last name is Mario. --Geopgeop 03:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Most people wouldn't go looking for Luigi Mario, just Mario, methinks. Makron1n 21:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unlock

Could someone please write up about how to unlock Luigi in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Coby 23:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a walkthrough. If you would like to know how to unlock Luigi, try asking at the reference desk. —The Great Llamamoo? 00:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few questions

"He is also described as being smarter than Mario in the Mario Party instruction manual"

Just a few questions: Why mention the Mario party manual at all in the text, and not simply provide a link to some page with it? Is it because manuals are, occasionally, not included when discussing canon aspects of a game? (Male/Female Birdo).

In addition, is a whole paragraph necessary to comment on Luigi's voice pitch through history? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falco x Fox (talk • contribs) 02:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Someone requested a hand drawn image of Luigi from the NES games?

Image:Luigiretro.jpg Would this work, or does it need to be after the pallet swap?Takuthehedgehog 22:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I also found this odd picture of Mario after the pallet swap and Luigi BEFORE the pallet swap, but this is probably too wide. Takuthehedgehog 22:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added it myself. Takuthehedgehog 06:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Picture

I think we should have a new picture now, that one is pretty outdated and stale to me. - Luigi 128

What's wrong with it? The picture should only be changed when the character makes a non-minor change in his appearance. Just because the image is from 2 years ago doesn't mnean the art itself is outdated. –Llama man 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lugis?! Luigs?!

Look, whoever is doing this, please stop, and change it back to normal.

-Smashman202, Feb. 7, 2007

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