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Nadine Gordimer / misleading edit summary
One of your recent edit summaries in the article Nadine Gordimer did not accurately describe your edit. Changes to the content of articles should be accurately described in the edit summary. --lquilter 13:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC) (content copied, by 70.23.199.239, from warning message Lquilter placed on User talk:70.23.199.239)
Nonsense. I simply used YOUR misleading edit summary, word for word. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have used it, in the first place.
Statements placed on editors' talk pages should not mislead readers unaware of the political agenda motivating the statements. 70.23.199.239 08:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- The edit summary I used was "(Reverting recent assault info per discussion at talk page.)" The discussion at the talk page was overwhelmingly in favor of not including that information -- hence the use of the word "per". The use of the same edit summary to describe the opposite behavior is confusing; nobody would understand from looking at the talk page how the information was put back into the article "per" the talk page. Please see [1] which defines the usage as "in accordance with". (crossposted at User talk:70.23.199.239 --lquilter 14:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
"The use of the same edit summary to describe the opposite behavior is confusing; nobody would understand from looking at the talk page how the information was put back into the article "per" the talk page."
No. People who oppose the politically motivated censorship of essential information, and who take their irony supplements -- the kind who live in the spirit of the First Amendment -- will not find it at all confusing. 70.23.199.239 05:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Category types - response
Hi there. I responded specifically to something you posted last week at Wikipedia talk:Category types, and I'm not sure if you have the page watchlisted, so I thought I'd drop you a note to let you know. Carcharoth 10:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: MilHist CFDs
Ah, ok; that makes sense. Kirill Lokshin 02:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Animal rights redux
Thanks for the update. Is it ok to e-mail you? —Viriditas | Talk 05:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yep. --lquilter 05:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Please, just let me say thank you so much for catching the vandalism to the Langston Hughes article.TonyCrew 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
FYI
In light of the debate about Category:Iranian polygamists, I have nominated Category:Polygamists for deletion. However, I've made it a separate nomination. Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_3#Category:Polygamists. Pascal.Tesson 16:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: science fiction studies
Hey, Lquilter.
Sorry, I had just noticed an empty page. On my patrols, I end up coming across a lot of empty articles and this appeared to be one of them. As a quick suggestion, you might want to add some content before you do the categories in the future - I know that might not be your writing style, but it may help prevent this in the future. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I've removed the speedy template, and wish you luck with your article. :-) Hersfold (talk|work) 01:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Hersford. I do usually put in text in the article, but this time accidentally hit SAVE instead of PREVIEW. --lquilter 01:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
overlaps etc.
Yes, I've been noticing your edits for a while, including the ones which correct my errors (smile). If you email me we can exchange some more details.DGG 07:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- DGG, I don't recall correcting your edits! Hope I haven't been snippy. I feel I sail along cordially for a while & then I get very annoyed by something -- the academics thing for instance. The only articles & categories that I've had to defend have been about academics who were clearly notable to people who know the field. Anyway -- you mention emailing you, but I didn't actually see your email on your user or talk page? (am I blind?) --lquilter 13:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Salting and other things at Categories for Discussion
"Salt" is short for "salt the earth", a slang term for blocking the recreation of deleted content. See WP:SALT.
I am also not worried about some of these renaming debates surrounding astronomical images. I am more bothered by the categorization of animals by country, state, and province at the moment. The system needs repair. See boar and cougar for example. Keep in mind that those two animals have not been placed into all possible categories yet. Dr. Submillimeter 09:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- SALT - Ah, I'd stumbled on that practice already in maintaining a wiki; I just didn't put 2 & 2 together .... The animal thing is nuts, I agree. I really think part of this is because people don't get categories, and insist on trying to use them as keywords/tags. --lquilter 13:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
cat intersect
Ah. Well I guess he was viewing it rather differently than I was then. "Point making largely". You're quite right. I guess AGF got the better of me this time. As I recall it came up toward the end of a deletion discussion where he said "well all these other interesections should be deleted too then" and I said "you're right, let's do it, help me find them". But he just intended point-making, I see. — coelacan talk — 18:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
A scond opinion
Hi Lquilter. Sorry to bother you but I'm having some bother with an IP user he made a selective post to Gender from a book critcising Gender Studies diff. he's also added this book to the to do list on the talk page Talk:Gender. This peson is aggrevating me. he made a post 4 times, on talk:feminism; the same on WP:GS, same comment again on Talk:women's studies, and once more on WP:GS. I mentioned it to an admin - they want some diffs but the way this person edits makes it very difficult to find a "clean" diff. Sorry for sucha long winded message, I really need an outside opinion on this user's behaviour in case my judgement is clouded--Cailil 00:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hey Cailil -- I'll look at it. One thing: You say the problem finding clean diffs. Do you know how to get a diff that covers multiple edits? For instance [2] ? If you go to the history, and in the left-hand column ("cur" choose the last edit prior to the editor X's edits; and in the righthand column ("last") select the last edit of editor X's edits; and then click "compare selected version" -- that gets you a diff showing all the edits made between those two selections. That's the way to show the cumulative effect of a series of changes. So long as only one editor has made those changes, you get a clean picture of that set of edits by that editor. There's some way to associate all the addresses used by the same person together. I'll ask on the person's talk page, first.
- Frankly I wonder if this is the same person who was making basically the same sets of edits to the WikiProject Gender Studies previously (128.111.95.217); given the similarity of the IP addresses, I would say so.
- On the substance of the edits: I completely agree that these are inappropriate for the project page, and an obvious attempt to interject anti-feminist POV into an encyclopedia article on gender etc. On the gender etc articles, probably we just need to find some way to substantively address the issue without giving undue weight etc. On the project page it's wrong. I'll keep an eye out too.--lquilter 01:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help lquilter, I'll try and get some diffs tomorrow.--Cailil 01:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Women's studies
Hi Towsonu2003 -- Thanks very much for helping to work on the women's studies page & being bold. I think you can see that there is some significant differences in POV happening. The anonymous editor basically reverted your changes; I worked from there rather than engaging in a revert war. Right now, the editor is talking on the talk page, which is a good sign, so I'm AGF with the anonymous editor, and trying to work on compromise versions. It would be great if you would stick around the page and help out too. Best, lquilter 05:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm pretty sure you won't like the idea, but I think the article is too hostile to itself as it is now, and so it should be deleted and re-written from scratch, keeping in mind that there should be balance between criticism and definition, not between criticism and other criticism... I do not see it being fixed, because the backlash against fixing it is just too strong. I marked the article db-attack and presented my arguments there. Thanks for taking the time :) Towsonu2003 16:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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- The problem is that any article created fresh is going to be subject to the exact same problems -- the folks who come on to attack women's studies, feminism, and so on, are not going away. I've been trying to figure out how to handle these kinds of issues, looking through harmonious editing, and so on. So at the moment my approach is to politely acknowledge their points and AGF like crazy; point out uncivil things but not make a big deal out of it; and, most important, focus the efforts of the editors on substantive overall improvements. In other words, by trying to keep the dispute itself proportionate to the real work of the encyclopedia in writing the article. From watching a few article disputes, I feel like the bad-faith political attack editors get bored when serious edits working out the history, statistics, and so on, are happening. I'm trying that approach on women's studies, and we'll see how it goes!
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- On this article, btw, I edited down the substantive criticisms that were previously there to two sentences, and added rejoinders, as well as criticism/influence from the left and responses. I think it's much more balanced.--lquilter 16:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Categorization debate at Talk:Roman Catholic Church
Hi lquilter
As a real world librarian and a Wikipedian who likes categorization, I was wondering if you could add some outside perspective on a categorization debate at Talk:Roman Catholic Church that could use your expertise. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 20:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hey Wassupwestcoast - Your point on categorization was really good. I was going that route too, trying to explain the distinction b/w categories & names, but some of you had already done that very well, to no avail. I swung a different approach which may be terrible but, if it gets people working together constructively, maybe it will be of use even if it doesn't end up bearing fruit. (And as an also-(former)-librarian / Wikipedia categorizer, I think you can imagine where I stand on the "denomination" term.) --lquilter 21:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Constitutionalists
Hm, yes, it does look kind of weird at the moment, even though the discussion was pretty much unanimous about upmerging Category:American constitutionalists to Category:American people by political orientation. I think that the best idea would be to match the libertarians, socialists and segregationists by merging the by-state cats into American constitutionalists. Would that help? >Radiant< 08:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that would be better -- I can help; I don't mean to swamp you with more requests. I just wasn't sure if I was reading the discussion correctly, or if I misremembered the original state. --lquilter 14:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
MZB edits
Hello, thanks for the comments. It was my first attempt at editing and I'm better acquainted with the facts of the case than with wiki editing protocols. I'll include the citations as noted. It's a sad case, but I don't believe in keeping that sort of behavior a secret. Chief1 00:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Marion Zimmer Bradley article
Hello, thanks for the comments. It was my first attempt at editing and I'm better acquainted with the facts of the case than with wiki editing protocols. I'll include the citations as noted. It's a sad case, but I don't believe in keeping that sort of behavior a secret. Chief1 00:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
bias in WP
I wouldn't call it white male, exactly, I'd call it white adolescent male. And other groups have their own strongholds here as well, and it goes tolerably as long as one of the many groups does not attempt to judge another. I never make comments on popular culture discussions. I never even read them. (Unless it happens by accident to overlap into something I have read or seen). :) DGG 02:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
Thank you for your comments. I feel much the same, that even wheb we disagree your comments are well thought out and eloquently expressed. Otto4711 04:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
women psychologists
It's not an argument against the category, so I'm not including it in the CFD. But as an aside... I hate looking at a category full of scientists and seeing only men! And then having to click down to get to women, as though women should be set apart in their own little sandbox so they don't get in th way of the men doing real science. I know that's not how this category is intended, but it's the feeling I always get from these women scientists subcats. Bleh. — coelacan talk — 02:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- The cat guidelines make it clear that it's not supposed to be a segregating thing, but redundant categorization. I know it doesn't always work that way. If you ever see a woman scientist who is not included in the basic scientist category, please add her. I've gone back & forth on these, and -- for now -- I feel that they are very useful. That doesn't mean they don't have problems, like the tendency of people to diffuse, not duplicate. More than anything, I think all of the issues of identity categorizations (and by that I include beliefs, etc.) need to be addressed comprehensively again. --lquilter 02:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parents of the Prime Ministers of Canada
Hi, thanks for your help in voting to keep the article on their children, but they also put Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parents of the Prime Ministers of Canada on AfD. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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