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Contents 1 Swales 2 Bias? 3 Hamilton Park 4 Added Article Image 5 Wording? huh? 6 Clean up 7 Citations 8 Fill 9 kms

[edit] Swales

It occurs to me that the link to 'swales' (referred to here as the vector responsible for the upwards migration of buried wastes) is probably in need of attention. I think it unlikely that a small governmental region in England conspired to destroy the health of the Canal. Given, though, that I have not the foggiest notion what a 'swale' is (or was) I am unable to fix it myself. -J.H (Yes, I should get an account.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.101.211.2 (talk • contribs) May 25, 2005.

Good catch. I removed the link since I couldn't find an appropriate article for swales to link to. Bkhouser 18:37, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

In response to the first person's comments, I wanted to offer the following. First, a swale merely is a shallow ditch used to direct rainwater in a particular direction. This is the link to a site that provides a similar definition: [1]. Second, the article said the site had "underground swales" which is a little misleading. I suggest editing the text along the line of "former swales that have been since filled with permeable material and allowed the lateral movement of contaminated groundwater." Mtneer183 02:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)mtneer183

[edit] Bias?

What is interesting is why were the original polluters held respnsible, despite having notified the original school board of the insuing dangers. They were not even willing to sell, but for the threat of expropriation.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.96.96.241 (talk • contribs) September 26, 2005.

I agree. The first part of the article seems to suggest that Hooker Chemical dumped the waste in what would have been a run of the mill toxic dump. If they sold it to the city for $1 and explained to the city what had been buried there, why would Occidental later "oppose" the residents of the area? It seems to me at that point the issue was no longer in their hands. Is there some complication that is missing from this picture that explains Occidental's supposed guilt? TastyCakes 22:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree as well, I believe the article is biased against Hooker... I'm not usually one to defend chemical companies practices, but they have been exonerated of many of these public accusations by writer Eric Zuesse, who's article itself is linked at the bottom. Someone needs to figure out who's version is right - Eric or Lois Gibbs, the latter having made many of the public accusations. Rainman420 23:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

We studied this issue in College in nearby Buffalo, and I recall there being information that Hooker's lawyers repeadetly tried to stop the school authority from digging past a certain "safe" depth for the playground site, to no avail, which makes the "hiding" claim somewhat dubious. 66.57.225.195 11:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

If you need a reference to help support this point, see here: Love Canal: The Truth Seeps Out -- 70.20.161.132 21:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The liability limitation clause of the contract was simply not legal, as is the case in most such liability limitation statements in contracts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.119.156.133 (talk • contribs) 20:45, October 24, 2006.

Except that the majority of sources such as Mokhiber say that no such warnings were given, and quite obviously the liability qualifiers in the land deeds are incredibly illegal. Hooker can burn.Ademska 11:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Also I would like to add that anyone citing "information" from a website whose slogan is about freemarket and is quite obviously a rightwing procorporate article site is out of his mind. I know Wikipedia is a tertiarty source at best, but at least TRY not to be idiots.Ademska 11:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hamilton Park

I removed a section titled "Hamilton Park" from this page, since it didn't belong there. I later discovered it was a violation of copyright, taken from this website: [2]. Thus it has not been restored. Chick Bowen 18:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I can't see the relevance of the Hamilton Park link at all. It leads to a disambig page where none of the three articles seem connected in any way. Tilefish 09:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to see more discussion about how Hooker and Occidental are related and what happened to Hooker and Occidental as a result of the government forcing them to sell the land. Lawsuits, out of business, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.107.97.2 (talk • contribs) January 19, 2006.

I believe Occidental is now known as Oxy, and can be found a few miles down the road from Love Canal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.69.72.187 (talk • contribs) February 2, 2006.

Oxy is a "nickname" for Occidental Petroleum, it still exists and I believe is something like the 8th biggest oil company. Basically I think they paid to help clean up the site, end of story. It's headquarters are in LA, don't know if they have anything in the Love Canal region. TastyCakes 21:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

If you head down Buffalo Avenue you'll end up surrounded by Oxy chemical plants. They have buildings on both sides of the road with various Oxy-labeled pipelines crossing over the road. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.69.72.187 (talk • contribs) February 3, 2006.

According to this EPA press release, Occidental Petroleum A/K/A Oxy is Hooker Chemical Company's parent company. --FloBrio 06:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added Article Image

I recently added an image for this article, hope it suffices. Plexus2 00:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wording? huh?

"During construction, a clay seal which Hooker had put in to stop the chemicals seeping out was broken through, despite the breaking of several drill bits in the process." This should be cleaned up. It took me a couple passes to figure out what it was trying to say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.72.98.46 (talk • contribs) August 7, 2006.

[edit] Clean up

This article needs some help, especially the toxic waste dump section. A mcmurray 00:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

-lol! Love canal "needs cleanup". Does anyone else think this is funny in a dark and ironic way? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.237.4.166 (talk • contribs) October 25, 2006.

Shouldn't this be improved? It's a bit short I think, and this is a very important article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KnowitallWiki (talk • contribs) April 23, 2006.

[edit] Citations

There is a "citation needed" note right before the actual first numbered note link. However, all that information comes from the article cited in that note link, the article at http://www.reason.com/8102/fe.ez.the.shtml ANTPogo 18:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fill

Here's kind of a horrible thought, but unfortunately important... does anybody know what happened to the fill dirt they removed when they dug out the basement/foundation for these buildings? That seems highly likely to have been contaminated, and if it was sold as "clean fill" or something used elsewhere, that seems like a very serious issue. Any information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Breakpoint (talk • contribs) February 1, 2007.

While certainly informal, the article seems to suggest that the damage to the site's "cap" and the subsequent leakage didn't take place until after the buildings were built. Eli lilly 00:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] kms

I reverted the change which removed the kilometer conversion. The edit summary was kind of ethnocentric and I figured it could stay, I mean the Wiki is for a global audience. "We" have to remember that not everyone is American. A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 02:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)