User talk:Loudenvier

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[edit] Fine, I am finally welcome ;-)

Just testing the signatures Loudenvier Loudenvier 18:32, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, very good the tildes work fine, but what if I wanted to use my real name, instead of my nick name?

Something like [ [User:Loudenvier|Felipe Machado] ]? I think there isn´t a short cut for this...

[edit] Usercategorization

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Brazil page as living in or being associated with Brazil. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Brazil for instructions. Rmky87 07:02, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of picture

Hi, Felipe,

The image Image:Niterói Itacoatiara Beach.jpg was already tagged with the {{unverified}} template on 31 December 2004. That meant it could then be deleted after 7 days. At that time, the original uploader should have been warned; and he was:[1].

So I could just have deleted the image. Now I did not want to do that without notification, but I didn't only want to notify the original uploader, so I removed the image from the pages it was in. In this way, everyone with those pages in their watchlist should have gotten the message. And obviously, it worked... Note that photographs without a source or license will be deleted; this did not always happen, but the last three weeks people are making serious work of it.

One last question: can you explain at Image:Niterói Itacoatiara Beach.jpg why the picture is public domain? Thanks. -- Eugene van der Pijll 22:46, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S. If you want to change your signature to [ [User:Loudenvier|Felipe Machado] ], you can do that by going to "preferences" (at the top of each page), and entering a nickname "Felipe Machado". This text is inserted in all signatures.

[edit] MMAStatbox

It's funny, you added the statbox to the Royce Gracie article like five seconds before I tried to add it myself. Anyway, just wanted to say keep up the good work. Shawnc 20:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

vey funny indeed! I´ve posted on your talk page a few more words... regards and thanks Loudenvier 03:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Royce Gracie

Tu du ben. (Is that correct spelling?)

No, but almost: "Tudo bem" is the right spelling. But the way you´ve written is phonetically identical to the correct spelling anyway, so if you have spoken it to me I would understand perfeclty what you were saying! Loudenvier 04:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I support your decision to pull off the NPOV tag on the Royce Gracie page. Just so you know, I am neither a Gracie fan nor a Gracie hater. I think they are talented fighters and that is about it. I will be happy to continue editing that page so we can sort out this disagreement with Kingmob. If he can supply what he thinks is POV, I will be happy to make slight alterations, but don't see anything glaring with the current article.

Also, if you would not have mentioned it on the discussion page, I would not have known you were not a native English speaker. You edit in English well. FYI, I made a slight spelling adjustment to your main page.Stones12 16:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

There are things I want to change too. I´m just too lazy to write them down right now! Loudenvier 04:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brazil as a superpower

hi, sorry for interruption, could you please see to the NPOV of exclusion of Brazil from this article. It was there until a month ago, and some guys keep excluding South America and Brazil from what I believe is its just place (and I am not alone, since these previous edits were there long before, to include Brazil). thanks Perroot 21:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Roy12.jpg

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[edit] Image Tagging for Image:Bruce_cover.jpg

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[edit] Virtuoso

Thanks for your comments - I'm a big fan of both Pain of Salvation and Symphony X, although the former more than the latter. Just to let you know, I prefert to restrict messages about content disputes to the talk pages of the relevant articles. I look forward to a productive discussion. Cheers --Ryan Delaney talk 01:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guitar Shredding vs. Waldir Azevedo (Cavaquinho player).

Waldir Azevedo ainda foi um dos primeiros shredders da história e merece estar naquela lista. Quer dizer que é melhor fazer um artigo de "cavaquinho shred" do que deixar ele lá? Cuzandor 19:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Waldir Azevedo não deve estar na página de Guitar Shredders. Cavaquinho é um instrumento completamente diferente. Pelo mesmo motivo não se deveria incluir um violinista na lista também (a menos que fosse reconhecido como um Shreder da guitarra elétrica, como The Great Kat o é). Waldir Azevedo certamente não teve qualquer influência no desenvolvimento do gênero, principalmente porque os guitarristas pioneiros do gênero não deram qualquer atenção aos "tocadores de cavaquinho" (talvez estivessem muito errados nesta opção...). O artigo deve ser consistente com seu título e seu conteúdo. Ele descreve um sub-gênero do metal (e apenas do metal) que surgiu praticamente no ano da morte de Waldir Azevedo. Não quero com isto diminuir sua contribuição ao mundo musical, mas não posso admitir que ele tenha qualquer coisa a ver com o Shred Guitar. Além disso o gênero é até muitas vezes considerado pejorativamente por músicos profissionais, que consideram a busca da velocidade como uma fuga da verdadeira alma da música (o mesmo que acontece com virtuosismo, que as vezes é visto sob uma ótica pejorativa). Não acredito que Waldir Azevedo enquadre-se nesses termos, pois sua música é dotada de grande presença de espírito e profundidade, não apenas dificuldade técnica e velocidade. Loudenvier 21:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Concordo que W.A. é muito superior a esses guitarristazinhos, mas o cavaquinho é muito semelhante à guitarra e por isso W.A. deveria estar na lista também. Cuzandor 22:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Roy Z

Thanks man! I am a huge fan of Roy's work with Bruce Dickinson, and I even got to see him once opening for Maiden(with Blaze) in 1998 with his Tribe of Gypsies band here in LA. Just trying to contribute to the "good ones", so more people will know about them! Thanks again! Skeletor2112 04:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] time travel

I understood your reasoning, and I am a big fan of Twain, but the time travel in Twain consists of a bump on the head. Neither Wells nor Verne was the first person to write about any of the subjects they pioneered. That's the reason for the word "pioneered" rather than "discovered" or "invented". What Wells and Verne did was to explore in greater depth and for a larger audience themes that other writers had just touched on. Rick Norwood 20:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

In other words, Time Travel was central to Wells story, and only "accidental" to Twain´s. But Twain´s dealed with future technology affecting the past in strange ways. It can be said that the Time Travelling wasn´t mechanical but by other means (since it happened in an unconcious state). Time Travel mechanics/phisics was not the subject of Twain´s story but the effects of time travelling was, that´s why it seems to me genuine sci-fi. Loudenvier 21:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Who are you :-)

Hi. I am working on a more.. informative.. userpage. You can have a look here but there are only a few details and a ramble on arts and another on religion, which is unfitting for what should be more biographical. I am young, I have little to talk about concerning myself except my thoughts - this makes an empty "biography". Best wishes, --A Sunshade Lust 04:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Angra

I cleaned up your re-write of Angra if you could just check it over to make sure I kept accuracy throughout it would be much appreciated. Canadian-Bacon 17:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Brazilian cars!

Great to hear that! First of all, if you'd ask me, your English is better than mine, but I know a few good native-English-speaking copyeditors just in case :D I cordially invite you to join the WikiProject Automobiles, where we discuss and coordinate all efforts concerning automobile-related articles on Wikipedia. On the main project page, you can also find the links to some standards that have been established for those articles. Don't hesitate to post your questions and suggestions on the talk page!

As concerns the cars themselves, I am quite surprised to learn you drive an Opel Tigra! I thought all Opel cars were sold in Brazil as Chevrolets, but apparently this was not the case. Or is it a private import?

I am happy to learn you are into GM and Fiat cars in particular, as I happen to be working on those mostly. Currently a small project is under way concerning the Polski Fiat 125p (which we intend to take to Featured Article level) and related Fiat 125 and Fiat 1300/1500 - any information on the whereabouts of these models in Latin America, as well as in general (surprisingly, e.g. the most informative source on the 125 seems to be an Argentinian site) is more than welcome!

Regards, Bravada, talk - 12:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Oi again and obigado (?) for your reply :D You have raised a few issues:
  1. I understand all Opel and Opel-based cars, both imported and locally made, are branded as Chevrolet in Brazil, and the Opel brand is never used in official marketing, right?
  2. I understand that Chevrolet models are also referred to as "GM" in Brazil, e.g. "GM Astra" and the like - this would explain the propensity of some editors to generate articles such as General Motors Astra, which looks absolutely atrocious to users from Europe or North America. Is the "GM" naming only used only in common parlance, or officially too (marketing, press release, technical literature)?
  3. I am quite interested in Latin American cars, so I know about the Brazilian Astra and Vectra - I would say the Brazilian Astra can be classified, despite modifications, as Astra B/G, while the Vectra is a sedan version of the Astra C/H. Anyway, I believe the differences between the Brazilian and European models should be explained in respective articles.
  4. In general, I think the division of GM models between articles should be sorted out - I will raise the issue on the WikiProject talk page. Stay tuned ;)

Regards, Bravada, talk - 16:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pelé's goalscoring record

Hi Louenvier. Thanks for your edits to the Pelé article and the comments you left on the talk page. I have responded to your comments, as have a couple of other editors. I would really appreciate a reponse to what I have said. Jim (Talk) 14:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ryan Delaney's comments

Hi. In response to your enquiry on my talk page, I have made some edits to this article. I suspect you may have misinterpreted the Wikipedia:No original research policy as it it applies to this article. Based on the contents of this article, it seems that the question of how many goals Pele scored during his career is an issue of how one interprets the existing statistics, not how one gets his data (do non-league games count? etc).

To explain the NOR policy: "Original Research" occurs when an editor collects his or her own data and interpretations and publishes them in Wikipedia as fact, without having them first published elsewhere and peer-reviewed. The original research policy was first instituted by Jimbo when some physicists had begun to add their own theories on magnetism to the relevant Wikipedia articles without first submitting them to scrutiny by the scientific community. As such it may be useful to keep this example in mind when deciding what is original research and what isn't.

Analagously, an example of original research in this case would be for a person to have personally watched all his games and counted the goals, then published his count in Wikipedia without having it peer-reviewed. But since no editor (to my knowledege, correct me if I am wrong here) has added his own count -- but only a count provided by published sources -- this is an issue of proper citation, not original research.

I hope this helps.

--Ryan Delaney talk 19:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simca Vedette

Hi! As of now, you are the only member of the Latin American cars task force, so I have no choice but to bother you about that :D I have started the article on the abovementioned model, and I have read somewhere that it was also manufactured in Brazil, where production continued into the 1960s or even 1970s and spawned a model called Chrysler Esplanada. Perhaps you could find some more detailed information on that? See also the article's talk page :D Regards, Bravada, talk - 02:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

PS. Perhaps you know of fellow Latin American editors interested in automotive topics, or can post some info on a regional/language notice board, so that you won't be alone in the TF :D

Thanks for your reply and interest in the topic! I am afraid my Portuguese is non-existent and the results of automatic translations are a good laugh at best, so I guess we will have to wait until you will have some time to delve into that - seems like a very interesting topic, perhaps at least as big as the history of Vedettes in France!
Until then, I wish your Father a happy Father's Day and you a great day with your family! Cheers! Bravada, talk - 12:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello again! I see you're back to editing - I was wondering whether you could have a look at the sources regarding Simca Vedette. I have also found a site called simply http://www.simca.com.br - it seems to be pretty informative to. Would be great if you could also add something to the Ford Vedette article from one of the pages I have marked as "external links". Cheers! Bravada, talk - 22:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tobacco Smoking

Why don't we need a separate "History of Tobacco Smoking" article? --GoOdCoNtEnT 16:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Car stuff

Hi Felipe!

Thanks for your message, I only just read it as it got lost in the tangle on my talk page (gotta do some cleaning I guess). I am sorry to hear about the Marea :( It was surely a great car, one of my all-time favorites with regard to styling, both inside and out, and also you had a great engine! I hope the Astra will serve you well, I come from a longtime Opel-driving family :D

I don't know about the interior of Chevrolet Astra, but the interior of the 2006 SS model looks almost like the one we had in the Opel Astra B/H in Europe (I mean we as Europeans, my family never actually owned an Astra B, I myself considered the base versions to be pretty plain compared to the elegant Vectra B). So, did the previous Brazilian Astras have a different interior? BTW, if the 2.0 you've got is the same 8v unit that was fitted in various Opels in the 1990s (and earlier), you are probably going to have many troublefree miles with it!

I am looking forward to your contirbutions to the Opel Astra and Chevrolet Monza articles - I will gladly learn more about them! I was also wondering how are you doing with the Simca stuff. In case you don't have time to do it all at once, perhaps you could just drop us a short summary - I am really eager to know how the story went on :D I've read Simca actually turned the old Flathead into a Hemi!

Do also have a look at talk:Simca, where I set up a general discussion section for all Simca-related articles. One of the major issues we have is the lack of free pics - we need more people to look for them and ask the authors to contribute them to release them into public domain. They tend to agree, it's only that somebody has to ask them :D Besides, the Best Cars Website seems to have quite a lot of info on a large number of classic cars (including Simcas), not only those made in Brazil, but it is in Portuguese... So, I think there is quite a lot you can contribute, to say so :D Bravada, talk - 06:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

PS. Actually, the Fiat Marea article has a rather lousy picture now - perhaps you have a nice photo of your Marea somewhere that you could contribute?

[edit] GM do Brasil engines

If the engine you are referring to is the 2.0 Flexpower used in e.g. Chevrolet Astra (8v ohc, 1998 cc, 86 mm bore x 86 mm stroke), then it is made off the same block as the Opel engine of the same displacement, which was fitted to e.g. Opel Astra B/G. You can find many useful data (but, unfortunately, not always the engine codes) at the http://www.globalautoindex.org - find the company, then the model, then the body style and then you can click for data for the given engine version. I looked at the GM Family II engine article, and I think this engine is the one marked as X20SE. The European counterparts would be the "20XE" family. I know that other than in Opel technical documentation it's hard to find codes for those, and I also didn't come accross any legenda for those letter designation GM uses online, I have only seen one in an Opel Vectra B maintenance manual.

I would begin with getting hold of the two primary authors of the article - Steve Foskett, who is our resident engine specialist :D and Dmitry, who seems to know everything about GM Opel and Daewoo engines. Secondly, I would turn to the guys at www.GMInsideNews.com (GMI) - there are a lot of really knowledgeable guys there, there are also members form Latin America, including Brazil. If you told me what exactly would you want from them, I could post it for you, but I believe it would be much easier if you just went there directly and posted at The Tech Forum or "All Other Brands" Discussion Forum - or even both, to increase the chances somebody will see that :D Just let me know if you do so, so that I could see what becomes of that - I have some experience with how GMI works :D

I am sorry I am not very helpful at the moment, my dim-witted brain did not quite get what you were actually asking about/for... :( Please tell me what you want of me loudly, clearly and slowly, and then perhaps I get it and I'll be happy to do that for you :D

As concerns Simca, I am really eagerly awaiting, as I have actually nominated Simca Vedette to WP:GAC, as it takes some time to get somebody's attention, but I guess it would be better to have the article more or less complete before soembody reviews it. I think we are quite fine now, but I can't help thinking that even a small write-up on the Brazilian model history is missing. It doesn't have to be a very detailed story, but if you could just summarize the main facts and figures in a paragraph or two, it would be great.

Did I mention that I am a pushy person? :D Bravada, talk - 18:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simca do Brasil - Obrigado!

Thanks a lot! Don't worry about that not being much, it's great to have anything, so just take your time. Am I so pushy? :p

Now I am sorry that you had to go through the entire introduction... This guy is even more of chatterbox than I am! This is soooooo irrelevant (we are not going to put the info that a Sao Paulo dentist was impressed by the vehicle in the article, are we?) but fortunately you got to the beef :D If I might suggest something, don't bother with translating everything, just try to dig out the most important facts from the site. Do also take a look at the other link (Best Cars), perhaps it is more serious and informative. I would also consider moving it all to the Vedette talk page, so that everybody interested could take a look. I will try to rephrase what you pasted into a nice paragraph in the Vedette article as soon as I am finished with the Talbot Samba, but why don't you try to do it directly yourself (as you have a better understanding of what the author meant). Don't worry about style and stuff, we can correct it later on!

Thanks again! Bravada, talk - 15:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome + Boxer Pictures

Hi Loudenvier, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner on this but I only just noticed the "You have a new message" link today! (I am still very new to Wiki.) Thanks for the kind words on my Boxers, I'm very pleased with them.  :)

I'm not concerned about income from the pictures, there just have been several cases of less-than-scrupulous breeders stealing images and using them as if they were their own dogs; still, I suppose there's no more risk on Wiki than on my own site. Size-wise I think maybe the thumbnail for the female might be better, or is it too small?

http://www.newcastleboxers.com/Images/emma_jaxon_thumb.jpg

At any rate, let's roll the dice and use those pictures with the Attribution-Share-Alike license. Do I need to submit them to the Commons first? (I thought I'd submitted a photo of my white female to the Commons, but I don't see it there so obviously I've done something wrong.)

Newcastle 15:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boxer page

Hi, Loudenvier. I just wanted to say thanks for all the good work you do on the Boxer page. Scott Carpenter 20:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Automobiles Notification

Hi Loudenvier, you were on the list of members at WikiProject Automobiles and we are introducing a new way of listing members, as the old list was becoming too long. Our new method involves having all of our members in a category.

To add yourself to the category just add the userbox to your user page by putting {{Wiki Auto Project}} where you want the userbox. Alternatively if you don't like the userbox you can add [[Category:WikiProject Automobiles members|Loudenvier]] to your userpage.

If you no longer wish to be a member of the project, simply don't add the userbox or category, there's no pressure. Thanks for your time, James086Talk | Contribs 04:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bjj

Just wondered why you removed links form the Bjj page, unregistered users have repeatedly done this without explanation so I tend to be touchy on the subject, probably a valid reason but would appreciate a comment in the edit summery if you want them gone. --Nate1481 14:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

To be honest the radio link may go as well. As said un-registered users have removed just one or two rather than clearing them all, that's why I mentioned it here think I got a little blind to what they were and if they were appropriate. --Nate1481 15:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm passingly familiar with that last one & it's a good resource but not necessarily encyclopaedic. --Nate1481 15:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to warn you User:DrParkes as seemed uncooperative all day, and from the look of the history was doing so over the weekend as well, he is however up to his 3rd revert. --Nate 14:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new edits

Anonnomous IP just edited BJJ you may want to keep an eye out... --Nate 09:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Neoclássico

Oi Felipe! Tudo bem com você? Editei um pouco o artigo Neo-classical metal, do qual você, pelo o que me consta, também participa. Agradeceria muito se você pudesse dar sugestões!

Abraços,

Francisco


Oi Felipe!

Em primeiro lugar, muitíssimo obrigado pela ajuda e discussão!

Reconheço que o artigo está, de fato, um pouco redundante. Eu condensei uma pequena parte dele (não sei se você percebeu, mas havia muita informação relacionada colocada em locais praticamente aleatórios).

Quanto às controvérsias, e mesmo as reações favoráveis sobre esse tipo de metal, há um grande problema- não há autor- até onde eu conheço- que tenha escrito sobre o gênero de modo sério. Muito do que coloquei como polêmica são assuntos que são freqüentemente suscistados- na maioria das vezes, pelo pessoal da música clássica, mas em alguns casos, por músicos e ouvintes de outros gêneros, inclusive do próprio metal-, mas que, infelizmente, não possui nada escrito até onde eu conheço.

Por uma questão de uso da dialética, é interessante colocar os dois lados da moeda, a fim de garantir uma informação sintética e mais neutra. Não me parece interessante falar de influências clássicas no metal sem mostrar se elas realmente existem e se são significantes, e não apenas superficiais. É necessário lembrar que muita gente vê o metal neoclássico como um gênero erudito, ou quase isso, e que sutilmente isso é refletido no artigo. Colocar os dois pontos de vista é de maior valor, na minha opinião;

Faltam também citações e conteúdo verificável na parte que se refere à teoria musical empregada no gênero em questão. Por exemplo, modo frígio e a harmônica menor são características definidoras do Malmsteen- certamente um dos maiores expoentes do gênero, talvez o mais importante até (alguns atribuem a cunhagem do termo "metal neoclássico", ou a expressão onde se diz que "metal é música neoclássica"). Isso tem de ser verificado- mas não vejo nenhuma fonte escrita onde há isso exposto de modo científico.

A parte "Naming Controversy" pode ser colocada dentro de "Definition".

Em "List of Classical Pieces and where they had notable elements of them used", tenho a intenção de colocar peças que fazem uso de elementos clássicos emprestados de outras peças. Por exemplo, existe uma versão (bastante) adaptada da Toccata e Fuga em Dm (BWV 565) pelo Malmsteen...a tal Fughetta do Malmsteen pega emprestado o tema e uma parte reduzida da estrutura de uma fuga em Gm do Bach...e assim por diante (The Great Kat faz o tempo todo versões de peças famosas de Vivaldi, Bach, Wagner e outros- é isso aliás o que é a referência icônica- o uso apenas de peças e motivos famosos, de compositores famosos, muitas vezes pela imagem popular que possuem e não por sua relevância musical).

Abraços!

[edit] MSX as "spectrum emulator"

dear felipe,

I agree that to call software ported from the spectrum to the MSX as "running on a kind of emulator" is a bit strange.

Still, the original author had a point. His original wording of his sentiment (idea) was "and the colour by character style of the ZX Spectrum graphics was directly used, as a kind of emulation rather than true porting."

The software authors really treated the MSX as a "virtual" spectrum, they systematically ignored the improvements the MSX had so they could just pretend that the MSX was a spectrum in disguise.

Somehow, that sentiments deserves to be preserved in the paragraph, and it isn't now.

with best regards, Mahjongg 11:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear felipe (Loudenvier), I placed a reply on my home page for you. Mahjongg 16:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked for 24 hours

COMMENT: In retrospect I think that NYC JD made the right choice by blocking me. No matter how justified you seems to be, you should never violate 3RR. Edit wars are a lot harmful to wikipedia. I think now it was a constructive penalty ;-). I will keep the comments here for future introspection... Regards to you all! Loudenvier 14:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have blocked you for 24 hours as a result of your request. 3RR is an electric fence and must be applied evenly. You have reverted Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu five times. Your adversary has been blocked for 48. I hope that you enjoy this enforced timeout and take care to avoid edit warring in the future. I regret having to do this. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 17:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I think its completely unfair! The 3RR rules themselves say they are not to be applied in special situations. The user was reverting edits by anyone. He was being disruptive. Everytime I did a revert I have provided reasoning, I also did contact the user among other things. The user was vandalizing and I was trying to salvage what was possible. I have never been insulted in wikipedia like this before this block! When I saw the user would not stop reverting I have refrained from reverting myself. I am an avid editor and I do not like to be treated like a criminal or a disruptive one. The vandal really won this time! He will simply revert the edits using another account or anonymously. Did you take the time to inspect his contributions? Or did you only followed 3RR blindly and blocked me?(I'm still having a hard time seeing an editor like myself being blocked: this is a ridiculous situation!). I would like to see what Jimmy Wales would think after seeing a dedicated editor like myself being so badly treated. The first step to be unfair is to treat everyone alike, regardless of the situation! If you inspect the article history you would see that the vandal was ignoring every other editor: I was trying to catch his attention to the talk page, all reverts were commented. He was reverting the article all weekend long. Now I can't even ask for help from other administrators, since the block is system wide (ridiculous! I can't believe I am blocked!). I will not enjoy this enforced timeout. It only frustrates me in a way you could possibly not fathom, as you may well think this is something of low importance, but to me my status as a wikipedia contributor is of great importance. It's a feeling of complete impotence. You should have been more mindful of the consequences of blocking me. Regards. Loudenvier 18:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, it already happened. The vandal reverted anonymously! The BJJ article now is the wrong, vandalized one. The administrator who issued my block did not studied the case throughly, he did not realized the edits made by DrParkes was indeed vandalism and disrupting behavior. He assumed good-faith in the first place. But he failed to notice that we (active editors of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu article) had already assumed that in the first place but we were all being overwhelmed by DrParkes misbehavings. He issued my block in the name of justice and policy only to let the vandal do his work. The vandal probably does not care for his user page or his log as editor. He probably does not aspire to become an administrator like I do. Well, he won. Shame on us. Loudenvier 18:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I have blocked you for a shorter period than DrParkes. I understand your frustration, but edit wars are unacceptable under any circumstances. You can feel free to ask for an {{unblock}}. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 18:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
No, I will not ask for an unblock. I have to know what it is to be treated wrongly and unjustified so that I do not commit those wrongings when I am in a position of power. I know very well how to behave in wikipedia. I was fooled by a vandal into trespassing the electric fence, and you were fooled by the same vandal into blocking me by doing so. Loudenvier 19:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Dry your eyes, for God´s sake.

Loudenvier, you really are a sad, sad little man. You were banned from editing for a bit. So what? You are acting like a kid who lost his ice cream. Grow up. Get a life. Perhaps you could go outside for a bit. Maybe get yourself a girlfriend? Fot the record, your edits are wrong and you deserve a ban for a lot longer. Nathan J.

Hi Loudenvier. I noticed the block and your response and wanted to comment here. I understand your frustration, but encourage you to look closely at 3RR and what it is designed to prevent: edit warring. Of course, there are exceptions, such as for reverting vandalism, but in this case, the other user involved in the edit war was not necessarily vandalizing the article. This boils down to a content dispute. The other involved user may, in fact, be rather misguided, but the edits did not amount to vandalism under Wikipedia's definition. Because the other user didn't make much of an attempt to engage in dialogue, further edit warring on that user's part could be termed disruption and the user could face another block. The best course of action when faced with such a situation is to place an appropriate tag on the article ({{NPOV}} is often useful, but there are others that might be appropriate), wait to see if you get a response on the talk page, and later revert the edits if it's clear that your talk page concerns are not going to be addressed. Requests for comment are also an option.

3RR blocks are common and even administrators face them at times, so please don't feel bad about it. The best thing you can do is to take 3RR to heart as a result of this brief block and continue to edit, as I can tell you are a valuable contributor. Cheers. · j e r s y k o talk · 18:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that the other user wasn't misguided; his edits did not amount to vandalism on the surface, but on close inspection it was indeed vandalism, and it is recognized in Wikipedia:Vandalism as a kind Sneaky vandalism and inclusion of false information. He was doing this for a long time, not only today. Today I tried to fight him and lost the fight. Many other editors have tried since last week at least. There was no reason to put a tag when the user was clearly ignoring every contact or argument, and even reliable sources on the subject. That wasn't content dispute, that was clear disruptive behavior. I had planned to work today on other articles but was prevented by this incident. I can't see the point with all of this. It's punitive rather then corrective. Something even the penal system learn a long time ago isn't correct. But thanks for the support anyway Loudenvier 19:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The anonymous user most recently involved in reverting the BJJ article to an inaccurate version has since hijacked the Brazilian_Jiu_Jutsu page, which previously redirected to the main BJJ article, and replicated the inaccurate information DrParkes and the user (80.58.205.350) were forcing on the page in the edit war. I would like to note that this backs up your interpretation of their actions as Sneaky Vandalism. I don't know what else you could call it. FlowWTG 20:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I am being punished with a block because I reverted the article more than 3 times. I was appealing to common sense, since I was reverting but describing the reverts plainly, almost begging DrParkes to discuss it on the talk page. It was not an ordinary revert war, as I refrained from edits as soon as I realize that DrParkes wouldn't stop. I have tried to contact him because he had replied once to Nate1481 and since I am an expert in the history of BJJ I had high hopes to convince him to stop disrupting the article. I'd never used my credentials in trying to do so. I believe in wikipedia and despise credentials. I do rely only on sources (see Boxer (dog) for an article I really love to contribute), and it will take more than individual acts (vandalisms, insults, nor even this unfair block) to make me stop believing. I thought I would be spared this treatment because one could plainly see what was happening on the article, but then the 3RR policy was applied without much consideration as to what is right or wrong. That's the world we live in. I would call our administrator a Lawful Neutral character in the AD&D game ;-). Thanks for the support, but the truth hardly ever suffices. Loudenvier 20:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The 3RR policy is supposed to be applied without any consideration for who is right and wrong. In any event, your 24 hours are almost done. In the future, if you encounter an edit warrior, such as DrParkes, if you can't talk to him, call for help. Solicit a 3rd opinion, ask on the administrator's noticeboard, or email me. And don't worry that you're article will stay unreverted for a hour or two or five - we have eternity. Good luck. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 12:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I would still call you Lawful Neutral (had you ever played AD&D roleplaying game?):
Lawful neutral combines reliability and honor, without moral bias.
Lawful neutral characters are directed by law, logic, tradition, or personal code. Order and organization are paramount to them. They may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard, or believe in order for all and favor a strong, organized government, whether that is a compassionate democracy or an oppressive dictatorship.
This does not mean that Lawful Neutral characters are amoral or immoral, or do not have a moral compass; but simply that their moral considerations come a distant second to what their code, tradition or law dictates. They typically have a strong ethical code, but it is primarily guided by their system of belief, not by a commitment to good or evil.
A functionary, soldier, or employee who follows orders without question regardless of the result; a religious fundamentalist accepting every word of his creed as the absolute truth; and an impartial jurist who sticks rigidly to the rule book are all examples of lawful neutral characters.
Lawful Neutral is sometimes considered the "purest" form of law, without bias toward good or evil.
(as you can see I'm in a much better mood today!) I do not see the point in applying rules without regards to specific situations, nor as a punitive rather than corrective measure. Our friend Jersyko can tell you by being a Doctor of Jurisprudence that the law evolved and its not to be taken ipsi literi anymore. By the way DrParkes wasn't a edit warrior, he was and still is a vandal, and he will keep disrupting and we, conscious editors, should be afraid to fight him because we can end up being punished. There's not much we can do without being administrators ourselves. It's almost impossible to fight vandals that way. Loudenvier 13:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Heh... well you're right on two out of three counts. I am a religious fundamentalist and I am a rule-book "jurist". I am hardly a mindless functionary tho. No, I have never played any role playing games. I wouldn't even know where to find one. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 15:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The anon user seems to be spreading mention of de la Riva Goded and Barry Ley wherever possible... I just found and removed links to them in the Royce Gracie article, which is nonsense. It seems that you were punished for getting in the way of a spam campaign for this B. Ley, who returns a paltry 594 google results. I speculate this is all about advertising Ley and his book, and it's a shame you were caught up in it. FlowWTG 21:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sympathies and Mitsuyo Maeda

Sorry about you getting caught up in a block. I tagged the Mitsuyo Maeda article for cleanup - the chronological paragraph format really has to change and I you mentioned that you were going to work on it. I think the importance of Maeda can't be overstated since he was one of the first people that actually went out and fought Westerners (rather than just demonstrate) Judo and by extension Japanese martial arts. He was part of that very early group including Yoshiaki Yamashita and Admiral Isamu Takeshita that introduced Judo to the US. Good luck on that and let me know if you need help.Peter Rehse 07:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I will have to wait for the block to expire (that's really ridiculous being prohibited to work on wikipedia. What's the point in preventing someone who wants to contribute constructively to do so?). The Theory of combat section is pure nonsense and speculation. There are many things that I really despise about the history of BJJ and Hélio and the Gracies in general. Quoting the Maeda article:
Being small and lacking in physical strength, Helio Gracie was forced to improvise heavily upon Maeda's teachings. Ultimately, this would give rise to what Helio's son, Rorion Gracie, trademarked as Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
That's very funny. Maeda was 1,64m tall and weighted 64kg as a youngster, and 70kg as a middle-aged man. Hélio was much taller and heavier. How could people keep saying he applied the principles of leverage, and had to improvise upon Maeda's teachings? Maeda was regarded by Jigoro Kano as his best yodan ever. Judo principle is the most efficient use of power, you do not waste power with mindless strength abuse. I can't stand this argument about Hélio inventions... He invented nothing. In fact he overlooked throwing almost entirely, since it's much harder to learn how to throw than to apply Juji-Gatame. And if he had to (re)invent something it was because his teacher (Carlos Gracie) probably didn't had the same knowledge level of Maeda since his coaching under Maeda was brief by Kodokan standards. I think that where Hélio excels is in didactic: he was/is a fabulous teacher. He was also one of the bravest men around. He was afraid of no one. He was a great heir to Maeda's teachings. Of course BJJ developed special variations on the ground, and focused on Vale-Tudo too, while Judo went away from fights outside Judo itself, fights that made Judo famous around the world, ironically. It's a shame that Judo schools around the world focused so little in newaza, but if you had the luck to train under a sensei like Mehdi (Georges K. Mehdi) who trained in the Tenri university in Japan, and was a brother to no other than Isao Okano, you would see what I'm talking about Judo vs. BJJ... Both are aspects of the same philosophy and system, with different emphasis and competition rules. Regards Loudenvier 13:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Between us, "Theories of Combat," "His Influence...", and "Controversies" should all go. The rules say "no original work," and to me, the material presented there is longer on theory than documented fact. As for style (or lack thereof), Peter dislikes the bullet style of a chronology, but in most cases, this is literally all that I know (or, inasmuch as this is professional wrestling we're talking about, reasonably document). That said, I quite like "Legacy," and think it should be left pretty much as it is. Joseph Svinth 09:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Is that Brazilian source you are using reliable? I don't doubt that you're using it correctly, but what I want to know is whether its documentation is truly reliable? I ask because according to the information Dickie Bowen sent me that he had received from Japanese sources, Maeda went to the KdK in 1896, and the information Bowen had regarding Maeda's date of enrollment at the Kodokan was June 6, 1897. I can't cite this as a Wikipedia source, because it's personal communication (hence original research), but Dickie rarely steered me wrong. (I already fixed the 1902 date for Yamashita; I can prove that's wrong. Also, where is the source for saying that the Legation asked Kano for a teacher? (Not the Brazilian book; his source? The way I understood it, Tomita wanted to go to the USA, too, but because he was middleaged (43 at the time), it was recommended that he travel with a younger man as a companion. I'm not saying this explanation is right, either (it was based on summaries of translated stuff, so is really third-hand), but even so, do we want to say anything here that we cannot document using either a) primary sources or b) secondary sources that are usually reliable? Joseph Svinth 20:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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I'm tired of this. Let this image be deleted. You can find a substitute if you mind. I have asked Rolker Gracie personally about using it and he promptly allowed (of course, this is a promotional image), though he will not go to the trouble of giving a written permission. So, again, let this image get deleted. I've already went to too much trouble asking permission personally to the copyright holder (in fact, he even may not even be the copyright holder, since the Gracies do not pay much attention to legalities). Now I will only use images I have created or for which copyright already expired. This makes us all think that the copyright law was created with the public interest in the first place. It was an incentive for creative expression, but should revert to the public as soon as possible! What a shame it became so twisted... I think I'm a little poetic today (after all I'm confined to my talk page!). Regards Loudenvier 17:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
A few more minutes. If you truly want the image deleted, you can add {{db-author}} to it. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 17:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blaggers

Well, I've found some strange things. I went to inspect this book entry on amazon. I've found only good reviews, all looking the same, with the same written style. Strange... But stranger yet is the surname of two such reviewers: Parkes... Hum... Remember DrParkes? Now the links for the reviewers:

I think this DrParkes is a spammer, perhaps he is even Barry Ley himself... Too much coincidence. Wikipedia is not promotional media. I think his autobiographic article should be deleted or heavily changed. He also fails to state that he is Bisexual as he states in the end of the book (just read the amazon.com reviews). Regards Loudenvier 17:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Loudenvier fails to state that he himself is a homo and a nob head but I can´t see what his alleged preferences have to the validity of the article. Regards, Nathan J

How could this be a best seller if its amazon sales rank is #1,480,420 in books? Best Judo from Isao Inokuma, never an internation best-seller ranks an order of magnitude better at #174,665. Dom Casmurro, by Machado de Assis, a brazillian book still fares better than the international bestseller blaggers... I will change that when my block expires (ridiculous block!) Loudenvier 17:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Also Barry Ley is a BJJ blue belt!!! He is a blue belt! He talks like he was one of the best BJJ in the world. He still has many years until he is able to wear a black belt. Unless his teachers are lenient and irresponsible. Here in Rio at a Gracie academy he would hardly earn a purple belt in one or two years from now. Overseas BJJ progression is much easier because the professors do not want to loose students because BJJ is too hard... But believe me, BJJ is too hard... A black belt is an enormous prize... See the youtube channel for him: [2] Loudenvier 18:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps these articles should be nominated for deletion. A blue belt is far from a notable BJJ player; Google returns 594 results for him, many of which might not even be the Barry Ley in question; and as for the Blaggers article: I don't see any articles on the higher-selling books you mention, why does this one deserve it? FlowWTG 19:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
This is happening because DrParkes is the person promoting this book and Barry Ley in wikipedia. I think he is actually Barry Ley. Those articles will be nominated for deletion. I will call NYC JD (hope he doesn't block me again!) for help. Loudenvier 19:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
We should probably also take a look at Andrew Mears. It was made by the same sources as the others and has the same traits. And like Barry Ley, has a mention of a BJJ medal without mention of what belt level it was at. FlowWTG 22:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Have removed some of what you did & tried to integrate new info, it was then reverted... being if mr 80.34.17.209 i'm not DrParkes, keeps reverting then it's another block --Nate 15:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, it seems that the edit warrior has finally given up - for now? FlowWTG 17:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The Barry Ley article and its AfD page are being swarmed by User:Kentent, User:Kbenton, and User:Jamesthorburn, the last two of which have exactly the same writing style as Kentkent and DrParkes (even down to capitalizing "NATE" and "LOUDENVIER") but additionally claim to be BJJ black belts under De La Riva. I think someone felt insecure after your "outranking" of him... anyways, I'm not sure exactly what the right procedure is here, but in addition to me being 98% certain of multiple-sockpuppetry, he's now claiming that the Ley's invented Guard, which has revolutionized BJJ, is the Rubber Guard. I don't know how big of a fan of Eddie Bravo you are but this is just ridiculous. Basically: help, please? FlowWTG 16:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shark Island Challenge

Regarding the above article, is it possible for you to identify references who are independant of the Shark Island Challenge, such as surf media? Relying on primary sources isn't the best way to present the Shark Island Challenge as an important body surfing event. Garrie 02:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Secondly - the references would be better, if they were placed at the end of the section to which they refer rather than immediately after the paragraph break at the end of the section heading. In the current view the citation mark floats in white space which looks wrong (see:WP:MOS).Garrie 02:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
hey, I didn't actually notice you weren't currently in Australia. So that does lend something to this article, that the main contributor is on the other side of the world....
I hope all the references that are being mentioned at the AfD make their way back to the article. I think this is a case where too much time is being spent arguing the case, where maybe the time would be better spend improving the article and simply adding at the AfD:
*'''Keep''' - have another look at the article. I have improved it.~~~~
I think it's quite good what you have done to the article by the way - I think this is one of those cases where the article is in a list of Australia-related deletions, and Australians don't see bodyboarding as notable - if it was in a list of surfing-related deletions would the discussion be a bit different?Garrie 01:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barry Ley

Notice the two new guys, KBenton an Jameswhatever both created their user pages today and started posting. Notice the similarities. Sock puppets perhaps? Gelston 16:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I added this case (clumsily) to the sock puppets page [[3]]. FlowWTG 16:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, it is we who are the sockpuppets. (KBenton cannot be wrong!11!!) So where are we to be collectively located then? Iraq, Brazil, or the US? Gelston 18:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I would choose a more appropriate location, perhaps near Teahuppo in Tahiti. What do you think? Loudenvier 18:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you want a fight about it, you little cissy? KBenton.

Admin request filed here--Nate 11:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grappling

I would appreciate your in put on recent edits, the back ground discussion is here, I ran out of sources(my research skills sucks sometimes)& wondered if you might be interested in the topic. --Nate 15:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I will take a look at it... But man, that DrParkes and BarryLey thing... What a mess they are doning... :-) Regards Loudenvier 15:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
That one I don't know think he's just trolling now to be honest. Nate 16:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Apologies

No worries. Good luck in the future. - NYC JD (interrogatories) 13:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] re: Interestes

Had a brief look over it & will read it properly later, edit from work so can't just sit & read unfortunately... --Nate 13:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MSX

Googling for "MSX z80 -wikipedia" produces about 90,000 hits; googling for "MSX oyster -wikipedia" produces about half that number. I have no doubt that a lot of computer people are more familiar with the computer sense, but I can assure you that as someone in the industry I had never heard of it until I expanded the oyster article, whereas I've known about the oyster disease for years. And besides, we now have three different things referred to as MSX, including two where it is the proper name. Mangoe 02:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I have decided not to contest this further, and am content to let matters stand as they are. Mangoe 14:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings from the Northern Hemisphere!

Hey Loudenvier, thanks for stopping by my talk page. I found your presence and disposition on our shared topic enjoyable, I look forward to working with you again. I am still suprised at the scope you (and others) have of grappling. In no way would I want to suppress the opinion, because doing so would only deny others the opportunity to learn of this opinion, as I recently have learned of it.

I will not be stopping by the grappling page as frequently as I have been because I am going to take what I have learned (exploring the grappling page) and update the wrestling page, which has been in dire need of attention.

All in all, you seem to be quite a nice guy and a real 'attribute' to wikipedia!

Penciljunk 01:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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