Talk:Lou Holtz (football)

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Lou Holtz lived in East Liverpool, OH. for some time. Didn't he play high school football for the East Liverpool Potters?

Lou Holtz is featured in 3 corporate training videos to motivate staff training. Do Right, Do Right II and If Enough People Care. All three are among the best-selling motivational videos of all time. They can be found at http://www.trainingabc.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=299

The "controversy" section needs some work to be made objective and accurate. As it stands now, it suggests that the university paid players, when it was a booster who made gifts to some players. Further, I do not recall whether there were allegations of term-paper writing. Most of the news articles on this subject are only available through paid archives, but this section needs to be more accurate and better sourced. Perhaps there are public domain documents that could be cited? It should not be a place to defame the coach or ND and USC. 70.19.211.10 04:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, at this point the blatantly POV issues have been reverted.

I located and cited the NCAA report on the violations. As best I can parse the report, the Dunbar incident began under Holtz's watch. The NCAA report indicates that a member of the coaching staff undertook an investigation early on and correctly concluded that there was nothing illegal at the time, although there is a weak censure suggesting that they could have forestalled future issues with more aggressive action (and honestly, I'm not exactly sure what to make of that). While ND fits the pattern of schools that ended up on probation subsequent to Holtz's employment, the NCAA report appears to acquit him of any significant liability.

I'm not aware of any other reliable sources. --Mr Wednesday 20:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

He has an "obnoxious" lisp? I'm removing "obnoxious" ChiTwnG 01:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References (or lack thereof)

I note that an edit today removed the reference to the NCAA violation report.

Personally, I think that it would be appropriate (not least considering Wikipedia policies) to cite information on things like NCAA violations. Should the reference stay in? Should additional references be included for the other NCAA sanctions that are mentioned? --Mr Wednesday 19:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)