User talk:Lord Loxley

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[edit] Scottish Indian trade

I'm afraid the link you have provided on your critisism of this article in its talk page is dead, and that you may have taken the article to mean more than it actually is, perhaps coloured by prejudiced toward Scots, or Protestants or maybe even Catholics. The article is well referenced and describes the positive relations between Scots traders and Natives in North America and how it benefited the trade. There is no mention of Iroquois developing democracy, nor any criticism of Athenian democracy (like exluding women, men without military training or slaves from voting), of victimisation or of Ellis Island Irish. The above-mentioned Métis (with acute accent), historically known as, amongst other things, "Black Scots" (I do not know why) and "Countryborn", who spoke the Bungee language (a mixture of Cree and Scottish Gaelic) were of mixed French, Scottish, Cree, Saulteaux and Ojibwa ancestry. The Métis National Council's website does not explicitly state any nationality, only "Europeans", which does not suggest that they're European ancesty is exclusively French. People like Cuthbert Grant, Alexander Kennedy Isbister, Angus McGillis (husband of Isabelle McGillis) and the Selkirk Settlers were certainly Scots.

This article does not deny the actions of any Scot, or person of Scots ancestry partaking in the "extirpation and destruction" of the Indians, indeed one of Cherokee John Ross' (whose father, Daniel, was from Sutherland) first military actions was against above-mentioned Ulsterman Andrew Jackson (who actually hailed from South Carolina). Major-General Winfield Scott, who may have been of Scots ancestry (although of a Whig rather than a Tory-Loyalist background), led the troops occupying Cherokee lands and took part in Seminole Wars and the Black Hawk War. Other Scots were on the Indian side of these conflicts, like William McIntosh (nephew of Lachlan McGillivray), Peter McQueen, Menawa, John Norton, William Weatherford. During the potato famine in the Highlands and Islands, the Cherokee sent money to Scotland.

To answer the question "How is it that the Scots are portrayed as lovers of Indian women, when the most notorious Scottish colonists were those who partook in the extirpation and destruction of the Indians?", I would say that it is probably because they were both. Descendants of Scots colonists did partake in extirpation and destruction of the Indians, and Scots traders also intermarried with Indian women (or vice versa in the case of John Norton). The Scots race were not, as a whole, either bedfellows or destroyers of the Indians, but played a part of both sides and opened up trading with Indians where other Europeans did not. Benson85 18:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)