User talk:Lone Odessan/BartCop

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[edit] Bartcop

Just to drop by and ask you to please site your sources on BartCop's identity, or it will continue to be deleted. Besides, LMAO, you may even be identifying the WRONG person as BartCop. Thanks! Lone Odessan 15:49, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for contacting me and welcome to Wikipedia as well, as it appears you are a relative newcomer to the project. The overall integrity of the Wikipedia project is a great concern of mine as well, but if you do not mind my asking, what is your personal connection to Terry Coppage and the nature of your interest in the Bartcop article? The reason I ask this is because on several occassions you have removed his real name with remarks such as "BartCop wishes to remain anonymous", "HE WISHES TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, THANK YOU", and "Removed real name again, as he wishes to remain anonymous". The last one I have quoted is worthy of note because you yourself acknowledge that his real name is Terry Coppage. Additionally, Coppage's site is advertised with the slogan "BartCop - The Political Humor of Terry Coppage" on a multitude of web directories. There are also a number of blogs and articles online that also refer to him by his real name and alias simultaneously. There is even a book review written by Coppage at Amazon.com, signed with his full name and email address bartcop@mindspring.com [1]. Is there any particular reason you wish to censor his identity from Wikipedia? Best regards, Hall Monitor 17:38, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response, and for the welcome to Wikipedia. I am relatively new to the WikiWorld, as such I admit that I have plenty to learn about this new milieu I find myself in, however, so far and to the best of my ability to discern, the link you provide to a book review by a netizen on amazon.com doesn't prove that BartCop is who you say he is. I can type an email addy into a review on the same website that I can link to that would "prove" that I am Lothar, King Of The Hill People, but does that in and of itself proof make? My previous edits to remove the name you put forth speak for themselves, I believe. BartCop, whomever he is, doesn't identify himself on any of his 1600+ web entries on his site, www.bartcop.com, and in fact he has gone to lengths (described on same site) to avoid any mention of his identity. Agree with you, however, on the slogan "BartCop - The Political Humor of Terry Coppage" being out there on the net. My personal desire to keep his identity off of Wiki reflects his apparent preference of anonymity, that's all. I'm forced to inquire of you the opposite now.... is there any particular reason that you wish to continue to paste a name (correct or not....you have not sited undeniable proof, just some online blurbs, really.... why not a WHOIS inquiry or to attempt to contact him at the e-mail addy found in your example from amazon.com?) to the BartCop article on Wikipedia? Thanks, in advance, Lone Odessan 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Here, thought I'd help you - - Here's a WHOIS search. Thanks for your understanding...

Registrant:

Computer Tyme Hosting

754 Glenview Dr. #201

San Bruno, CA 94066

US

Domain name: BARTCOP.COM

Administrative Contact:

Perkel, Marc

754 Glenview Dr. #201

San Bruno, CA 94066

US

+1.6508733064

Technical Contact:

Perkel, Marc

754 Glenview Dr. #201

San Bruno, CA 94066

US

+1.6508733064

Looks like Marc Perkel is the name "of record".....

Would you also agree that this: [[2]] is vandalism? Can nothing be done to prevent this anon user OR sockpuppet, whichever, from popping in and vandalizing legitimate edits? Isn't the user guilty of the "3RR" rule? Curious..... Lone Odessan 07:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, the Bartcop article fell off my radar yesterday. I am in the process of polling WHOWAS data on this domain to see how these records may have changed since the 1990s. Domain registry information has become practically useless over the last few years. In any case, I will do my best to keep a closer eye on this article for the time being. Hall Monitor 16:34, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Update: As you may already be aware, Tony Sidaway has provided an additional reference, a copy of a Salon.com article from June 2002, which further corroborates that Bartcop is indeed Terry Coppage. It is not uncommon today for domain name registrars to masquerade contact information of their clients, so any contact information gleaned from these databases is generally meaningless. Such is not the case in this instance, as Marc Perkel is apparently "an eccentric computer programmer who ran against incumbent John Ashcroft in the 2000 Missouri Republican Senate primary, garnering 10 percent of the vote with almost no campaigning" [3] and responsible for providing Terry Coppage with the financial assistance necessary to start the Bartcop site. I am glad that we could bring this issue to a close and should you have any other comments or questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Hall Monitor 19:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bartcop 2

I've briefly looked over the article and the discussion. I see that you have issues with the revealing of Terry's name, but before I take a closer look could you tell me which other specific parts (of the article) you have issues with? I found some of the sections of the article itself to be somewhat unencyclopedic, and I'm incredulous to the validity of some of the statements in the last three sections. Anyway, could you clarify/elaborate? Thanks. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 06:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

What about [4]? This appears to be who the person who the WHOIS is registered to, Marc Perkel. If he claims it is Terry.....

Also, please note that the WHOIS does not necessarily prove who controls the content on the website, it is merely who the domain is registered to... -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 06:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

One more thing, it really shouldn't stay out of the article just because he wants to remain anonymous. If there are credible sources stating that Terry is Bartcop, then it should stay in the article. I haven't seen what I believe to be a credible source. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 07:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't see what it matters for the source even if it is ten years old... the identity of bartcop would not change. Also, just because that 1600 pages does not mention the identity, does not disprove anything. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 07:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you have any credible sources that point to another person as being terry? Well, good luck for now. I'm off to bed. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 07:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and WP:AN#Porn_star_articles may be pertinent reading. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 07:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know, a reliable source has been found which cites Terry Coppage as Bartcop. For more information see Talk:Bartcop. Thanks. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 19:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)