Talk:Little Haiti, Miami, Florida

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[edit] NPOV Dispute

I have removed Template:NPOV from the top of this page, as no mention of justification for the use of the template was made by the anonymous user that added it. As well, it appears from the edit log that the template may have been added as part of a partially reverted test edit/possible vandalism. To the user that originally added the template, if you feel that the article has an NPOV issue, please feel free to add the template once more along with an explanation of particular elements which you feel call the neutrality of the article into question. --IntrigueBlue 00:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry...

but this article was a bit silly in its delusional optimism, and I had to edit out some of the wishful thinking and insert some reality.

"Crime rate has diminished immeasurably"? Oh, the decrease is measurable, alright... and not that impressive.

"Property value has increased due to the great pride of the Hatian American community"? Gimme a break! Property value has increased because the city is building richer neighborhoods in the vicinity, and that's because they wanted to reclaim this choice, central, bayfront area of the city. They are pushing all the Hatians out little by little. So much for it being a "testament to their pride and accomplishments"... it's gonna leave them homeless. Ever heard the words "gentrification" or "urban cleansing"?

Looking at the world through rose-colored glasses does nothing to fix the problems that surround us. You can close your eyes and pretend it's not happening, but when you open them again, there it is, staring you in the face... if it didn't knock you ass over tet already.

[edit] And also:

I totally agree with whoever put up the NPOV template. I actually haven't seen many articles that fit the NPOV description better than this one did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.113.166.224 (talk • contribs).

The NPOV template is used for articles that have NPOV problems, not for articles that are NPOV. If it were, then it would ideally appear on every article in the encyclopedia. Or am I misunderstanding you? --INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 19:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidently so. I don't know anything about the neighbourhood, but the edits you have made are blatantly POV: "dilapidated" in particular is totally inappropriate. --INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs)

The edits I have made are the exact same thing anyone else with any firsthand knowledge about this neighborhood would have written.

"Dilapidated" is a word for an objective state of disrepair. Dilapidated means run-down, unmaintenanced... everything that Little Haiti is. Little Haiti is not in a state of disrepair "in my opinion". It IS in a state of disrepair. If you have no personal knowledge of the area, how can you even speak about it, or guess at what is fact vs. opinion???

But hey, since the word "dilapidated" offends you for some reason, I removed it. No big deal.

P.S. I'm sure you understood what I meant with the NPOV thing. I meant that it fit the description which qualifies it for the template, not that it IS neutral point of view.

Have a good day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.113.166.224 (talk • contribs).

It's a shame that Little Haiti is falling to the city's greed. It is a truly unique community. But it cannot be denied that it is, in fact, 'dilapidated' and the current victim of gentrification. If the City of Miami had any decency, they would take personal stock in renovating the area while preserving its cultural uniqueness. But the city is sadly run by money-hungry investors. They saw the potential of such an ideal locale and are working to destroy it. After all, few tourists spend their money in a humble Haitian settlement in Miami, preferring instead the fake pastel artsy glitter the city's image centers around... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Succubus MacAstaroth (talk • contribs).

Please don't take offense to my objection to the word "dilapidated". Saying that the area is in a state of disrepair is factually-based and NPOV. Saying that it is dilapidated is unnecessarily POV. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. So, thank you for making the change. Also, both of you please sign your posts by placing four tildes (~~~~) after it. This will automatically insert your username and the date, making discussions much less confusing. Thanks! --INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 13:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)