Wikipedia talk:List of protected pages

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Contents 1 Semi-protected templates 2 Readded subsections 3 Bug 2171: Adding a special page for protected pages 4 Automated listing 5 Multiple listing 6 Split 7 Why can't you watchlist Protection Log special pages? 8 It's all vandalism 9 Confusing instructions 10 Cleared out

[edit] Semi-protected templates

Please do not list semi-protected templates here (per WP:BEANS). After all, they are protected for a purpose. I do not assume you want to give a handy list for template vandals, do you? I generally do not see the value of listing protected templates. After all, the system itself knows which template is protected and which not. Rather useless to repeat that here (manually or with bots). If you really feel urged to list templates here, at least refrain from listing semi-protected templates please. --Ligulem 14:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I've removed them. --Ligulem 08:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Readded subsections

I've reverted Voice Of All and readded the subsections of "Other pages" [1]. I believe this actually does make maintenance easier. This page is meant to be read by humans, isn't it? --Ligulem 23:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

First of all, it breaks the bot and so regardless of its merits would need to be agreed and the parsing added to the bot beforehand; in the interim, now they aren't in chronological order, which is the order in which they are checked whether they should be unprotected; please fix them. Now, this change is extra maintenance and there is no need to organize these because permanently/indefinitely protected pages are moved elsewhere, not re-ordered on this page. This page is for temporarily protected pages or as a holding area for pages that are then listed elsewhere. This is a special example of why reverting without discussion, or alternatively understanding, is bad. —Centrx→talk • 23:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, what about the semi-protected ones you removed. Why shouldn't you put them back? Did you decide whether they should remain semi-protected or did you just remove any semi-protected one? —Centrx→talk • 23:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I only removed semi-protected templates. These should not be listed. See also the section above and Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy. If you want to reremove the section titles, please do so. I believe these section titles do make maintenance of this page easier. Since you seem to agree with VoA, that's it then. BTW, how should this page here be used? Simply listing pages in random order seems not of much interest to me. This page here looks rather as if it is largely ignored. --Ligulem 23:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Pages are listed in chronological order and added and removed by the bot based on the protection log. The oldest pages, listed at the top, are checked regularly and unprotected if appropriate. Indefinitely protected pages, such as maintenance templates, are listed at Wikipedia:List of indefinitely protected pages. Long-term semi-protected pages were before listed here, but have now been moved to Wikipedia:List of protected pages/Long-term protection. —Centrx→talk • 00:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bug 2171: Adding a special page for protected pages

I asked on wikitech-l about having a special page for this here and was directed to bugzilla:2171. Rotem Liss submitted a patch today (jay!). See his posting on bugzilla:2171. --Ligulem 18:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automated listing

So there's now a bot that automatically lists and de-lists entries? We don'tneed to manually edit the list anymore? That's great! -Will Beback · † · 23:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple listing

Someone listed Image:Portal.svg twice, for the same reason, at the same time, with one entry seperating them. 68.39.174.238 19:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, it's some bot that gets stuck in a loop, evidently. 68.39.174.238 19:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split

Is there any way that this page could be split up to make it easier to watch list/load? I'd like to help clear the backlog, but firefox crashes every time I open it. savid@n 18:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why can't you watchlist Protection Log special pages?

I'm not involved in an edit war that has shut down edits on the September 11, 2001 attacks page and just want to add more information about the news in Germany of a convicted co-conspirator, but the page has been locked for weeks. Why can't I just put the Protection Log on my watchlist so I can be notified of when its status has changed?--Wowaconia 17:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't just watch the page itself because Admins are in there cleaning up things unrelated to the edit war.--Wowaconia 17:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You definitely can. The protection status of a page does not have anything to do with the ability to watch a page; they're completely separate features in the software. Besides, if the page is unprotected, the admin will usually remove the protection template from the page, and that will appear on your watchlist. Titoxd^(?!?) 18:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not calling on the ability to watch the Page that is being blocked from editing, I'm calling on the ability to watch the page that logs its protection status. If you just watch the page that is protected you only get the last edit on your watchlist and have no idea if this means someone unlocked the page and a bunch of regular editors began working on it or if its still locked and an admin used their powers to get in there and clean up something unrelated to the edit war, so you have to go to the page everyday and see if its unlocked or not. This just adds to your annoyance that the edit war that your not involved in is still ongoing and you can't do anything about it. The September 11, 2001 attacks has been locked down since Dec. 26, 2006 it would be far less frustrating if you could put http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&page=September_11%2C_2001_attacks on your watchlist. Is there a way to do this and if not why?--Wowaconia 05:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not possible due to the way changes in the protection status are stored in the database architecture of the software. When a page is edited, it generates a row in the Recentchanges table which stores the page's namespace and title, as well as other information about who edited what. When a page is protected, it generates a row in the Logging table, so the mechanism is not the same. An entry reflecting the protection is added to the recentchanges table, but it points to Special:Log, not the page itself. The way watchlists work is that they read information from the recentchanges table by selecting those rows that match the names of pages in your watchlist; the name of Special:Log is not the same as that of September 11, 2001 attacks, so those revisions are not picked up. If you theoretically could add Special:Log to your watchlist, what would end up happening is that you would see all log actions, including deletions, page moves, image uploads, etc., as they are stored the same way. That is something you probably don't want, so it isn't allowed. Besides, every single page in the Special namespace can be considered a small program by itself; in the vast majority of the cases, ?action=watch is a meaningless parameter for the page, as it is not recognized by the underlying Special: page. Titoxd^(?!?) 06:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's all vandalism

"Australia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). It's all vandalism -- Centrx, 08:24, January 10, 2007" and what is THAT supposed to mean exactly???

Pinothyj 07:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)…

That prior to it being protected the overwhelming majority, perhaps not all, of IP edits were reverted vandalism. —Centrx→talk • 23:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing instructions

The instructions for protecting pages say to list the page here, and they also say that a bot will list the page. Which is it? The instructions are confusing. -- Samuel Wantman 06:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The bot will automatically list the page, but it sometimes misses or mishandles them. If you manually list a page here, it will work fine--the bot will not duplicate it--but of course that requires more work on your part. This is much less of an issue now with expiring protections and if Special:Protectedpages is fixed to work properly. —Centrx→talk • 02:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleared out

I've cleared out this page. In the future, it will scrap from protectedpages (using the new sort options), and simply add the log comments. No templates should be used, like "li" or "article". Voice-of-All 06:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)