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If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks and happy editing, Alf 14:51, 28 August 2005 (UTC).

... Thank You for some tips - I will do my best:). Best wishes, Listowy.

[edit] Zapraszam

Wikipedia:Polish Wikipedians' notice board--Witkacy 00:55, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Witaj Witkacy !

Musze przyznac, ze znalazlem pod podanym adresem interesujace projekty, mozliwe, ze uda mi sie cos wniesc do tego wspolnego dziela. Niedawno postanowilem sie zarejstrowac i od tego czasu pracuje nad kat. "Polska nauka i technologia", ktorej jeszcze kilka dni temu wcale nie bylo. Na razie to drobne fragmenty. Obecnie mysle nad dodaniem do tego folderu informacji nt "Polskiego programu sztucznego serca". Czas pokaze. Pozdrawiam

Czesc Listowy, fajnie ze sie zabrales za ta tematyke - co do strony Poland.gov.pl material z niej moze byc uzywany, zerknij na [1]. Pozdrawiam--Witkacy 13:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cześć

Pisząc artykuły w nazwach własnych używaj polskich liter (jak to jest np. w Poznań) robiąc jednocześnie redirecty takie jak Poznan. Pozdrawiam Radomil talk 22:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Cipher Bureau

Nice to hear from you. Couple of questions:

1. Was the Biuro Szyfrów Russian-cryptology section actually designated, analogously to the German section, as B.S.-3?

2. Do you know of substantial sources on the Russian-cryptology section? I'd be interested in reading them and perhaps summarizing them for Wiki.

3. Did you see MattCrypto's suggestion on the Template:Cipher Bureau discussion page? logologist 03:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

1.BS1 – cipher section, BS2 – radio intelligence section, BS3 – Russian section, BS4 – German section. In France, rest of the BS that manage to cross the border was designate as ‘’Section Z’’

2. Maybe this one would be helpful: dr.Grzegorz Nowik ZANIM ZŁAMANO ENIGMĘ. POLSKI RADIOWYWIAD PODCZAS WOJNY Z BOLSZEWICKĄ ROSJĄ 1918-1920.

3. I have just read his suggestion. However, so far, I don't have any information about periods of employment in sections.

What do you think about that?

SUB ART ( connected with BS4)

Cipher Bureau edit
Section 4 (German)
Personnel:
Chief of German section:
Maksymilian Ciężki
Mathematician-cryptologists:
Marian Rejewski Jerzy Różycki Henryk Zygalski
Others:
Antoni Palluth ?
Devices:
Enigma "doubles" Grill Clock Cyclometer and Card catalog Cryptologic bomb Zygalski (perforated) sheets

SUB ART ( connected with BS3)

Cipher Bureau edit
Section 3 (Russian)
Personnel:
Chief of Russian section:
Jan Graliński
Cryptologists:
Jan Graliński Piotr Smoleński ?
Others:
?

MAIN ART

Cipher Bureau edit
Introduction:
Chief of Cipher Bureau:
Gwido Langer
Deputy Chief of Cipher Bureau:
Maksymilian Ciężki
Sections:
Section 3 (Russian) Section 4 (German)

Best wishes, Listowy 20:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added Sections 1 and 2 to Template:Cipher Bureau.

Was Section 1 responsible for maintaining Polish ciphers and codes?

yes

Was Section 2 responsible for radio monitoring (supervised by Ciężki)?

correct

Were there a total of 4 sections?

Were the four "sections" actually called that in Polish (sekcja)?

Some sources say ‘’sekcje’’, some ‘’referaty’’ , but according to all : 4 sections

Where did you find the information about the Cipher Bureau's structure?

'i.e. Link they use sekcje

When and by whom was Nowik's book published? logologist 02:28, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

ZANIM ZŁAMANO ENIGMĘ... Oficyna Wydawnicza RYTM,2005 ’’’ Link

Listowy 07:42, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rejewski diagrams

Could you get diagrams of the cryptological bomb and Zygalski sheets for the Cipher Bureau article from Marian Rejewski's papers? logologist 06:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Listowy 07:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pałac Saski

Thanks for the above information. Rejewski's "bomb" and "sheets" diagrams appeared in Kozaczuk's book on Enigma.

Do you by any chance know of a way to restore the illustration to Pałac Saski that Lupo has just deleted? logologist 09:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I couldn't restore that image, but I uploaded new one. May it be? Listowy 16:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Jak najbardziej. Dziękuję! logologist 02:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

for the "perforated sheet" illustration — apparently the first on the Wikipedia. It should help people get a concrete feel for the thing.

As for the (constructive) suggestion of placing individuals' employment periods in Template:Cipher Bureau, I think we may count ourselves lucky that any of the personnel survived the war — at least, to 1974 — and left us as much information as we do have. It is often forgotten that the Poles were overrun and had to destroy files. (In some cases when they failed to do so, people died as a result.) logologist 08:42, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Bomb" illustration

Have you by any chance had an opportunity to try to track down the bomba kryptologiczna diagram in Marian Rejewski's papers? It would be well to place a copy in the "Bomba (cryptography)" article.

Best regards. logologist 03:10, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:‘Cryptologic bomb’ machine - drawing from M.Rejewski’s papers.jpg Listowy 20:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for the diagrams of the 3 Polish cryptologic devices. I had long been hoping they could be obtained for Wiki. They make a world of difference. Thanks! logologist 23:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

You’re welcome. I have also found an illustration of Lacida-Polish cipher machine, so I thought that it would be good idea to add it to the Lacida article. It also needs a description, like you have done with previous diagrams. Best wishes, 08:45, 10 October 2005 Listowy(UTC)

Thanks from me, too — cheers! I don't suppose you could put copyright and source information on those images, though? — Matt Crypto 18:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

All these diagrams, direct connect with Enigma, are reproduction of Rejewski's pictures. Therefore I'm not sure which tag should be used: PD-Poland or Fair-Use ... Any suggestion:)? Listowy 09:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Could you please email me at Logologist — "E-mail this user"? Thanks. logologist 22:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Linking your email with Wikipedia "enables others to contact you through your user or user-talk page without the need of revealing your identity" (see "Preferences" at top of your "User" page). logologist 21:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for delay:). E-mail sent. Listowy 09:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] tank:template

I've rv'ed your additional fields. If you think they should go in then please add the relevant data to each of the articles that uses the template first. There's about 160 of them. GraemeLeggett 20:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

No problem. In my opinion it is important data, but maybe not essential in the info box, so it can be mentioned in plain text. Best wishes, Listowy 12:13, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

For speed i suggest where the gun has an autoloader try putting it in the infobox armament line eg "155 mm gun wth autoloader" then follow that up by statng the roles under crew eg "3 (driver gunner commander)" GraemeLeggett 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Perforated sheets

Importing the Cryptologic bomb diagram into the Cipher Bureau article was an excellent idea. If it will fit, why not also add the Perforated sheet illustration? logologist 07:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

In the Cipher Bureau article, could the Cyclometer and Zygalski's "perforated sheet" illustrations be interchanged? (The cyclometer was invented first, about 1934, well before Zygalski's perforated sheets, invented in late 1938.) Also, the perforated-sheet caption should probably read Zygalski's "perforated sheet", in the singular, though linked to "Perforated sheets," in the plural. Regards, logologist 14:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

Thanks for the wonderful photo of the three cryptologists. It makes their tragedy so much more tangible.

I wanted to add a caption but didn't succeed. Could you try placing it (I would suggest, in all three men's articles)? I propose: "From left: Jan Graliński, Jerzy Różycki, Piotr Smoleński. All three Polish cryptologists would perish in the 1942 Lamoricière disaster." logologist 15:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Now it should be OK. I have also added that image to all articles. Listowy 19:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for info about that image:). I have checked other images, uploaded by me, so all of them should be tagged. Best wishes, Listowy 09:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PC Bruno and Cadix

What do you think of Matt Crypto's suggestion either to split the "PC Bruno" article into separate "PC Bruno" and "Cadix" articles, or to rename the present article "PC Bruno and Cadix"?

Would it be feasible to blow up the Cadix-staff photo about 4 times, to make the individual faces visible without having to enlarge for each viewing?

Regards, logologist 20:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion: Unless that article is not very long, we shouldn’t split it. I think that renaming it is a better idea. Check your e-mail, please, you should find my proposition of this image. Best wishes, Listowy 09:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blow-up

Thanks for inserting the beautiful Cadix-photo blow-up into the "PC Bruno" article. It's now possible to make out each individual. It makes them more than just abstract names! logologist|Talk 22:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] ANX

Hi there, just wondered what the "ANX" was that you added to the cipher bureau box? (It's presumably not the "Automotive Network Exchange"!) — Matt Crypto 18:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Of course you are right. The "ANX" was one of the most effective key recovering method. Almost all German messages started from the letters AN followed by X. English TOx (‘x’ as a separator). I have changed that redirection, because we don't have an appropriate article. Best wishes, Listowy 17:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your Poland-related contributions

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--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk} 16:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not minor

Please don't mark all of your edits as minor, most of them are not. See: Help:Minor edit.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk} 17:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I will try to follow these tips. However sometimes is really hard to estimate whether it is or not:). Best wishes, Listowy 10:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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