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[edit] Data is unreliable

8 ft. 1¾ in. (248 cm)

  • Zeng Jinlian — tallest woman ever recorded

7 ft 9 in (236 cm)

  • Yao Defen — Chinese circus performer and tallest living woman

Both the women mentioned above as the tallest women ever recorded and alive are not reliable. Since neither source is quoted here or Guinness Book of Records still has the name of Sandy Allen. There are other such sources that quote "Yao Defen" to be only 7 ft 7 in that certainly places her below Sandy Allen. Please quote source and of course a reliable one. Till then let Sandy Allen remain on record.Vivek 02:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

You're half right: Yao has never been ratified by Guinness, but Zeng has been there since the 1982 edition (page 16 of the 2006 Finnish edition – I'm unsure if the page is same in other languages). On the Guinness website, however, only the category for the tallest woman living seems to be featured. As for Yao, this fairly recent article first gives her height as 7 ft 7 in (2.31 m), but later in the text it says 7 ft 5 in (2.26 m).

Few Sources which show disambiguities are

Vivek 03:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How Tall is Tall?

Is 5 ft 8" inches really that tall? Speaking as a 5 ft 8½ inches male, I don't consider every woman shorter than me overly tall. -- cimon

  • How tall is tall is a good question (as is "How short is short"). This page gives average female height at around 5'4", and male height at 5'9", so a 5'8" female is 4 inches above average. Every woman shorter than you would not be considered overly tall, but some women shorter than you would be above average. How far above average they should be in order to be listed is the question. For refererence, these page have height cut-offs at -
Matthew238 01:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
  • What's the standard deviation for human height? Isn't it about 3-4 inches? I think listing people who are 2 standard deviations or more from the mean would make sense. 5'8" is tall but certainly not unusually so, and I think this list should be a lot longer than it is if we're going to include every famous woman over 5'8". - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 19:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Are you kidding or what?! 5' 8" is never tall for a woman.

[edit] Not the world's tallest woman

Not sure if this is worth listing:

6 ft 5½ in

While on one hand she's no doubt not as famous as the hoax, I can imagine some people coming here wondering her true identity and height.... -- Smjg 14:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tall women = 6 feet or above

It is very common to find women about 5 ft 8 in to 5 ft 11 in so this page should start at least at 6 ft. --Dark thief of 7 feet 21:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

You should establish consensus/at least get other users' opinions about this before removing half of the page. The previous criteria discussed was listing women two standard deviations above the average height for a woman. I'm reverting your edits until more discussion takes place. Fabricationary 21:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
In order to join a tall club, a woman must be 5' 10" or above, and a man must be 6' 2" or taller, so I think those should be the cut offs. Stephe1987 07:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mary I of Scotland?

A biography I read, and other sources, indicate she was either 5 foot 11 or 6 foot. Can that be confirmed and if so should she be added?--T. Anthony 11:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be a consensus of "six feet tall" or "nearly six feet tall" when referring to her.--Fallout boy 03:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Six foot six inch English queen

A while ago watching an Alan Bennett documentary on Westminster Abbey, I'm sure I remember him mentioning a Queen consort buried there as standing six foot six inches. I can't remember her name but she was a princess or noblewoman from abroad before she married the English king (or possibly heir at the time). Has anyone got any further information? Rrsmac 14:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is Keever doing here?

I understand this page is for women of documented height, not unsubstantiated claims. Trijntje Keever is one of the latter, and doesn't belong here. She's probably not the only one, but including a claim greater than the documented maximum (Zeng Jinlian) is a very noticeable sign of a low quality article. Of the others at least Małgorzata Dydek's height is wrong: she's 2.13 m (7 ft), not 2.18 m (7 ft 2 in). --Anshelm '77 18:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't Keever in a museum somewhere in Holland? Could someone get a citation or something on that source? (a more accurate number and re add it if appropriate) Also, can we get a citation on a correct Dydek height?Feureau 23:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

You mean Keever's remains are on display somewhere? Well, that would be pretty much required for a pre late 19th century case to receive Guinness recognition – and her not being even mentioned by Guinness is a pretty strong clue (I'll admit that I haven't seen every Guinness edition, just the Finnish editions for 1974 and 1981–2007, and a few in other languages). And the more reliable listers of tallest people have noted her case unverified/unverfiable.
As for Dydek, don't know, what would be considered a good source for her true height (meanwhile, see FIBA Europe, E-BASKET, PolskiKosz.pl and the Polish edition of Wikipedia for starters), but the 7 ft 2 in (2.18 m) figure is pretty much WNBA only, and she's listed at 2.13 m (7 ft) virtually in every international game – such as the Olympic Games in Sydney 2000. Emphasis should be put onto sources with her true name and metric height. I don't know if there's any truth in this, but it was said somewhere that according to Dydek herself she was measured 7 ft by the WNBA, but they said "with shoes on to the top of your hair you're 7 ft 2 in" (or something similar).
Otherwise, some misconversions aside, this list is noticeably more accurate than most circulating around the web. Guinness put Anna Bates at 2.27 m (7 ft 5½ in) and Iuliana Semenova at 2.10 m (6 ft 10½ in). --Anshelm '77 22:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] list of famous tall women

I think, that the list of famous tall women should start with 6 feet. I often meet women who are 5'10" and 5'11" tall.

[edit] list of famous tall women shouldn't start with 5' 10"

I daily meet some girls who are 5' 10". Not very high to me.

172.162.139.77 15:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)IIRC, the average height for a woman is 5'4". Doesn't make this list any more notable, though. 172.162.139.77 15:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Listing women under 6' on a "Famous Tall Women" page seems a little strange. I can't think of anyone expecting to find Liv Tyler (and many others) on a list of tall women. Although these women may be taller-than-average it does not make their height encyclopedia worthy. At the moment the page looks like an advertisment for models. Speedything 09:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

  • This is true! Even if the average height for a woman is 5'4", 5'10" definitely is not uncommon. Either the list should start at a taller height or it should be renamed 'list of famous women on the tall side' Apol0gies 01:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
    • 5'10 is two standard deviations about the norm, so you're looking at the top 5%. We're only selecting people otherwise famous around that range; we're not including basketball players until you get up much higher, for example. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 07:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

So your telling me that it would be reasonable to put 5% of all famous women in this list AND not so famous women who are even taller?? This is gonna be one hell of a long list! I imagine that if we all pool our knowledge we can probably get it to over 1000 people. Seriously though, lists are only useful it there is a sensible cap on them. If anything MORE than 5% of famous women will be of this height due to the inclusion of models. Would you also suggest making a list of famous people who are more wealthy than 95% of the rest of the population of the Earth? Speedything 16:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ella Ewing

Surprised to see no historical listing for Ella Ewing from Missouri.

[edit] Average height/height cut-offs

The debate over height cut-offs has been going on for quite long. I think that we should try to find an average value we can all agree on since average height differs greatly between regions. Where I live, for instance, a woman of 170 cm is considered tall, and in other countries this is considered short, and in others it's average... Considering that Wikipedians come from almost every country in the world, it's going to be quite impossible to agree on anything sensible if everyone keeps citing how often they see 178-cm women walking past them as evidence to support their statements on average height and/or height cut-offs, since the frequency of such sightings depend on which country they live in! Littleghostboo[ talk ] 09:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The point is that there are so many women that are 5'10" tall in many countries. For Wikipedians (or casual readers of this article) who happen to not live in one of these countries, please note that this list might grow quite long, filled with 5'10" women from the aforementioned countries, regardless of your local experience. For those of you unaccustomed to seeing 5'10" women, perhaps a reference to average height for each country would be more appropriate (e.g. Netherlands), rather than listing so many women. Plus, we don't need to necessarily agree on a standard based on personal experience; the 108 women listed as being 5'10" (and I'm sure I could find many more notable ones on IMDB) is enough to suggest that the list might be too long because of the low cutoff.Ufwuct 16:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreliable

Putting aside the pointlessness of this article, I'm not even sure the veracity of the list can be trusted. Domino Harvey is listed as 6', but a Los Angeles Times article here describes her as a "statuesque, 5-foot-9 blond". Who's right? And given that she died last year, how will we ever know? BennyFromCrossroads 10:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You can put it on a verification notice.--T. Anthony 09:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut-off

Given the size of the list, I've arbitrarily changed the cut-off to 5' 11" / 180 cm. Given that the article a) refers to living people and b) is entirely unreferenced, I will consider re-requesting deletion if references don't appear. Proto::► 14:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I support your change. I wouldn't mind seeing the cut-off start at 183cm, actually. You forgot to change the lead paragraph, so I'll go do that now. — coelacan talk — 03:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with the cut-off being 5'11", or even right at 6 feet (183 cm) but I think having the cut off at 6' 1-1/2" (186 cm) as it is currently set is strange. It would be nicer to have it set at a round number in inches, as it is unusual for most references (other than, perhaps, those referring to sports figures) to give a person's height in fractions of an inch. Therefore, I suggest changing the cut-off to six feet one inch (73 inches), or 185 cm (by rounding). In fact, I'll be bold and do so. Crypticfirefly 03:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up: I've put the 6'1" women back, but deleted the models (and the basketball players) except for the one supposedly in Guinness for long legs. Given the large number of models listed at 6'1" previously, it doesn't seem a notable height for a fashion model. Crypticfirefly 04:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michelle Wie

She's on the list twice--in 6'1 and 6'2. Songflower 05:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing someone found support for both figures or one person thought she was and another the other. This one really needed better sourcing, oddly the tall men list was the better done one, as with improper sourcing it's a bit confusing like that.--T. Anthony 10:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Decimal measures, please

Why are measurements in the article primarily expressed in feet and inches, while decimal measures are only written in parentheses? As far as I know, en.wiki is not an "American wikipedia" but simply a WP in English language. Now, the international standard is metric, not the opposite. So I think we must consider changing all measurements in decimal measures. --Vermondo 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe I did that on the tall men list, but it got deleted. One reason for imperial though is that several of these people existed before metric was widely used in their nation, for example nineteenth century Englishwomen or something, but if this survives I might change it over. It depends on other commitments I have in life.--T. Anthony 03:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Future direction of the article

I have started a discussion to build consensus about the future direction of the article at Talk:List of tall men#Future direction of the article. Please comment. Thanks, Black Falcon 20:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pointless Entry?

This seems to be a completely pointless entry. I could understand a list of the very tallest women, but why even have such a list? And how do you define "tall"? Greater than average? Average where? Worldwide? I am starting an entry of List of Asian Men Named Chuck Who Reside in Virginia, but were born in the U.K. Now there's an important entry. Jimaginator 18:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Lol I agree entirely. Besides, how exactly does one define 'famous' for inclusion? And on what grounds can people be missed out of a list of tall celebrities just because they are a model or sportsperson? It seems that this list should (in order to remain true its title) simply include anyone over a certain height. Otherwise it is just not well-defined enough to be deemed encyclopedia-worthy... (163.1.230.104 04:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC))

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