Talk:List of social fraternities and sororities

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Contents 1 Phi Gamma Delta 2 Possible removal of trivia 3 Alphabetical Order 4 Beta Tau 5 Cultural 6 Size/popularity 7 Locals 8 Links 9 Alphabetical Order Proposal 10 Non-social

[edit] Phi Gamma Delta

There was a discussion on the matter of Fiji's letters before on another seperate but related article. I don't recall the exact consensus. Please discuss the matter here before changing anything. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 21:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Downsized the flag that was used as the Phi Gamma Delta letters at the Phi Gamma Delta web page. This is approximately the same size as the letters in the currently used font. This is in reaction to yet another removal of the greek letters, presumably by a Phi Gamma Delta brother. Given the degree to which these edits occur, this was (perhaps a vain) attempt to come up with a workable compromise. Hopefully this will be acceptable to the Phi Gamma Delta brothers as well as the community at large. Naraht 18:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible removal of trivia

I wonder if the little notes and details should be removed from the list. They're not consistently present, and may list a founding location, an "interesting fact", or some other trivia that is not related to the purpose of this page: listing the organizations by letters, name, and nickname. Most of the groups have their own article, and nearly all those that don't could; these details belong there. Is there a general feeling on this issue? --SuperNova |T|C| 08:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The nicknames are useful because some people looking for a group may only know the fraternity by the nickname, especially if they are unfamiliar with Greek letters. Other trivial data could probably be cleaned up though. Moof 20:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetical Order

If this has been done, correct me, but I'd like to get a consensus on whether this page should be ordered by English spelling of Greek letters (Delta before Gamma, Omega well before Zeta), as it is now, or by Greek alphabetical order, such that "Omega *" would come last. A recent editor added Omega Psi Phi at the end and I (evidently from an anon IP by mistake) moved it to the middle, but it struck me that a significant portion of readers might expect to find Omegas at the end (and Zetas near the beginning, etc.). Thoughts? --SuperNova |T|C| 19:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe it should be done in the order of the Greek alphabet. Currently, it is neither in Greek alphabetical order nor in English alphabetical order. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.192.186.17 (talk) 09:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

The english alphabetical order follow the tradition set by Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities. Should you see a place where the GLOs are not in English Alphabetical order within the group, please correct it. Naraht 14:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

English alphabetical order would be easiest, especially because most people won't be able to understand as easily. I do love the greek alphabet though. Acidskater 19:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beta Tau

Is beta tau a local or national frat? It seems local to me. In that stream, what is the "national" fraternity qualifier? --Samwisep86 06:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Depends on who you ask. Most fraternity histories that I've seen tend to see the second chapter as making them a national (i.e., a local has ONE and only one chapter; more than that and it's not a local -- ergo, must be a national). You could also argue that a national means being a member of NIC (or other appropriate national board - NPC, NPHC, whatever)... but there are some indisputable national fraternities that aren't (I think Kappa Sigma dropped NIC awhile back). Giving the benefit of the doubt to the organization, the litmus test for me would be that a second chapter means it can call itself a national, and that designation can go in WP. (Of course, I say that with the hunch that someone will no doubt take issue with the classification and possibly end up in a revert war -- but let's think positive!) So that's my position on the definition.

However! If it's this Beta Tau we're speaking of, it sounds local in every sense. I'll go ahead and move it to locals until a) we reach a consensus definition of a "national" and b) we find out that BT meets it.) --SuperNova |T|C| 07:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural

I began sorting Cultural-interest fraternities and sororities to the other list, but I decided to go for a consensus. Personally, I don't think it's necessary to duplicate cultural-interest fraternities and sororities if there's a separate article devoted to them, just like we don't duplicate professional ones although they likely have a social aspect as well. -mercuryboard^talk ♠ 21:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Size/popularity

The national chapters/headquarters of many fraternities and sororities are fond of letting members know their rank in terms of size among all national groups. For instance, Kappa Sigma has indicated that it is now the second largest fraternity in North America in terms of number of initiates. Does anyone know where these stats come from? QuinnHK 23:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking in vain for these numbers for awhile. It's hard to find stats that don't come from the organizations themselves. Here's one listing that claims to be from a slightly-dated Beta Theta Pi pledge manual. I'd love to see a more up-to-date listing though. 00:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is another pretty comprehensive list. --SuperNova |T|C| 14:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Locals

Not all locals are at one campus only. Chi Delta is a local sorority at California State University Sacramento, and Sonoma State University. There are Locals at other school that have more than one chapter.

[edit] Links

It would be nice to have links to the website of each greek society. I started on the national fraternities, but ended up just getting a bunch that I already knew. If you are in a fraternity or sorority and your website is not linked then go ahead and link it up. I'm going to try to come back and get a bunch again. Acidskater 19:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

This was a major point of contention for what Wikipedia is NOT; as in a "repository of links." The discussion was HERE. ScouterSig 13:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Theoretically, each organization should have a link on its own wiki page in the infobox, so having the link reposted here again is unnecessary. —ScouterSig 20:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetical Order Proposal

We can have both Greek Letter Alphabetical *and* English Alphabetical if we use a sort table like the one for water area in List of U.S. states by area, Greek Letters will make up the first column, Spelled out greek letters (or english non-greek name like Farmhouse, the second and nicknames the third. I'd like to do this, any comments? Naraht 13:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-social

This page seriously needs to be edited because there seems to be a good deal of fraternities and sororities which are not social. If you know a certain fraternity or sorority that is listed that isn't a social one, delete it. Acidskater 02:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)