Talk:List of screamo groups

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[edit] Nifty Foreign Screamo band list

Foreign Screamo band list I started to add some of the bands from the list. You all can continue. GoRenGo 03 August 2006

--foreign to who?24.4.12.213 08:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to do with this page!

I've been spending a lot of time trying to clean up and figure out uses for lists like this one and the List of Emo groups. And honestly, I can't think of one. The Screamo article is fairly comprehensive in listing the major bands as I see it. I propose that the list below be merged into Screamo#See_also and this article be deleted. This list of bands is a list of major screamo bands from past and present AS I SEE IT, culled from this article and edited to the best of my abilities. I'd love to know what everyone else thinks before I do anything so drastic, particularly about which bands should be included. Alexforcefive 22:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

A Light In The Attic, Amanda Woodward, The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra, The Assistant, Bravo Fuckin Bravo, Circle Takes the Square, City of Caterpillar, Dispensing Of False Halos, Envy, Forstella Ford, Funeral Diner, Hassan I Sabbah, I, Robot, I Would Set Myself On Fire For You, Indian Summer, Jerome's Dream, Joshua Fit For Battle, Kaospilot, Kite Flying Society, The Kodan Armada, La Quiete, Love Like... Electrocution, Louise Cyphre, Makara, Neil Perry, Off Minor, Orchid, Palatka, Pg. 99, Portraits of Past, Raein, Reversal of Man, Saetia, Shikari, Spirit of Versailles, The Death Of Anna Karina, Usurp Synapse, Yage, Yaphet Kotto, You and I

What about love lost but not forgotten? - Lester Drake 20:38 03 Jan 2006

What about Refused? If you take JR Ewing in, you definitely should add their "grand-fathers".-Juliane Waack 16:08 27 May 2006

[edit] Who should be included here

Most of the bands on this list do not have Wikipedia articles. Are they just small local bands, or bands only known over Myspace or the like? (If so, then they should not be here. Listing such bands is self-promotion and encourages people to write band vanity articles, which are often deleted on WP:AfD.) Please make sure that they meet the criteria given at WP:MUSIC. --Idont Havaname 00:47, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

A lot of these bands are elligible for inclusion under one or more of these criteria -
  "For performers outside of mass media traditions:

   * Is cited in notable and verifiable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory
     or teaching in a particular music genre.
   * Has been a significant musical influence on a musician or composer that qualifies for the above 
     list.
   * Has established a tradition or school in a particular genre.
   * Has composed a number of melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable genre, or tradition or 
     school within a notable genre.
   * Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture."
however, a lot of them aren't. I think it's a good list to have as a reference for the Screamo article, whether all these bands should have separate articles or not is a different matter. Maybe they could be condensed to short bios on this page? Either way, I'm going to try and spend more time on this article. A lot of the bands that seemingly have articles are actually linking to more mundane things. I'll fix that right now and take it from there. Alexforcefive 18:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I just fixed a bunch of links. Removed Acme, since their page says they were a metalcore band (I've never heard of them though so if someone thinks this is wrong correct both articles!) and I Have Dreams since their article was deleted. Sadly this article has even more red links than before. I'm starting to think it should just be deleted unless someone very knowledgeable can do something with it. Alexforcefive 18:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Combatwoundedveteran

I don't think it is proper at all to label Combatwoundedveteran as 'screamo', though I have seen people labeling them as such other places, at the least I'm certain CWV would object. There is not a viable correlation of what is in the screamo article, for example emotive "emotional hardcore" type lyrics, to warrant CWV as a screamo band firstly. Besides sounding very little like most of those bands listed (some others may be wrongly listed as well however). I wouldn't even consider them 'emo violence' because they don't have an "emo" aesthetic whatsoever, but if they were somehow, they would definitely be more 'that'. People consider them "not quite powerviolence" if only because, as the 'more punk label of what's grindcore' they outstrip those bands in the circle which coined the term (Man Is The Bastard, Capitalist Casualties) in the direction of "punk" beyond grind. Though if you're going to define PV broadly as a more punk kind of grindcore no matter to what extent, then they definitely fit that label.

If Combat Wounded Veteran is "screamo" then so is Charles Bronson, and I think you'd get a lot more resistance from putting that label on CB than CWV if only because a lot more know & respect CB who don't associate them with the label 'screamo'. As for bands like 'Reversal of Man', I do agree they're closer to screamo, actually emo violence, though that they've done a split with CWV & have crossover membership doesn't determine that CWV is screamo (anymore than, as the argument used elsewhere, that The Locust have done a split with MITB makes them Powerviolence). I'm removing CWV, if there's argument on that, it should be taken here in the discussion before simply re-adding it. Nagelfar 05:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

To get technical and NPOV, here's a google term search comparison;
Results of 134 for +"combat wounded veteran" +"screamo"
Results of 104 for +combatwoundedveteran +screamo
Results of 245 for +"combat wounded veteran" +"powerviolence"
Results of 298 for +"combat wounded veteran" +"power violence"
Results of 217 for +combatwoundedveteran +powerviolence
Results of 313 for +"combatwoundedveteran" +"power violence"
The term 'powerviolence' with or without spaces, leads to an almost double amount of returns for PV over screamo in each instance. Also, in going with spaces or without spaces through all the permutations of the band name with 'emo violence' or 'emoviolence' you get from 45 to 161 (that latter figure without any spaces), powerviolence still is at most doubled in the results in google searches. The band themselves consider themselves grindcore by the way [1], which in the punk scene is pretty much an interchangable term with grind. They also give insight into a death metal interest, and refer to Charles Bronson as a 'buzz band' Nagelfar 06:26, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Carlisle

Sorry, I was going to question whether carlisle was actually a band, but then I googled it =/ I'm leaving a message here anyway just to clarify. Alexforcefive


[edit] Screamo Or Not?

A band should be considered screamo if there is document proof that they are. For instance for the band Senses Fail, on their page on wikipedia they are considered a screamo group, therefore they should be considered screamo on this list. Another instance is The Used, I found a article by Guitar World claiming their screamo (http://www.jimdero.com/Other), that's a respectable publication that has worldwide status. If people are able to present bands as screamo with proof from other wikipedia pages or from respectable publications then they should be considered screamo. So in turn I am putting Senses Fail and The Used into the Screamo category, if anyone can find proof from wikipedia or from a respectable source outside wikipedia, I will change them no problem but please don't just put a band in or out of Screamo without proof. -- Patman2648


I strongly advise you look up what REAL screamo is, before adding band like The Used and so on to the list. If you haven't found out just yet they aren't even close to REAL screamo HereAreTheUndead

I totally agree. As it stands, this list is almost shockingly devoid of non=screamo bands. There's relatively few "false positives" of newer bands where people have assumed that because they scream that they are screamo.
Possibly because people with that opinion are generally younger and are less likely to bother editing?
Either way, I'm somewhat proud of what wikipedia has produced here: a very useful list of honest to god screamo bands, the majority with localities. It's good work. Let's now shift into maintainance mode. --CalPaterson 19:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welll...

As it seems a lot of people are mislabeling bands as "screamo". A band where the singer screams and there is some form of melody involved does not technically classify it as emo or screamo. Maybe there is some influence there, but that is only influence. Death Metal and Tech Metal bands may have some jazz influence, but they are not called 'jazz' bands. Screamo itself is a derivative of hardcore punk. If you took a listen to most of the screamo bands listed.. a lot of the modern bands (Atreyu, The Used, etc.) that people are labeling as screamo are clearly much different. The Used for example being somewhat upbeat and poppy.. the influence of screamo is there, seing as Bert McCracken does scream and implement melody.. but esentially it does not mean the band is screamo. I mean honestly.. they could do with this band and others like it what they did with metal influenced bands that didn't quite fit the description.. they were labeled Nu-metal... you could probably label these modern bands Nu-screamo or Nu-emo.. but they definitely are not true screamo bands. The magazines such as Guitar World that are calling these bands 'screamo' are simply calling them that because that is what the community seems to have taken to and accepted as the genre... I'm pretty sure most of today's pop culture fans doesn't know any of the original screamo bands or where screamo truly came from. Bands today just give screamo a bad name... If I were to tell someone "yes I listen to screamo" they trhow me right into a stereotype thinking I'm talking about the Used or whatnot, and I don't appreciate it at all. That may be a personal view there, but I'm sure you could see where I am coming from when I say those bands are not 'REAL' screamo. Pretty much just pop/rock with screaming..


This quote taken directly from the Wikipedia article on "Screamo"

"In recent years, the term screamo has been very commonly used to describe emo, post-punk, alternative rock, metalcore, or hardcore bands with emo 'influences'."


I agree with the above comment that just because a band has screaming, it doesn't mean it's screamo. A lot of different genres have some screaming or yelling, for instance some punk, metal,hardcore, and even some hip hop, but they're evidentally nothing to do with Screamo. Also, just because popular media labels it that way, it doesn't mean it's true. Modern bands such as The Used or Funeral for a Friend or Senses Fail might draw some influence from screamo, but again, this doesn't mean that they are screamo, as they still don't have many of the defining factors of the screamo genre.

[edit] Cleanup

Major problems with this article, constant bickering of whether of a band is screamo or not, people ignoring the 3 revert rule. I tried to get it where if you could verify a band's status as screamo from documented proof from other wikipedia pages or public and popular reference sources like magazines or music websites then you could put it on there but that doesn't work here. Major POV problems because one person says screamo and another says the band isn't screamo. 90% of the bands that are screamo don't have pages on wikipedia and theres no evidence that they even exist, people could be making up bands for all we know. Please someone fix this mess or just delete the article. Patman2648 17:08 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, lets just think constructive for a moment. What if we split the page into two groups? Perhaps bands that fit the traditional definition (sound is clearly closer to that of the 80s-emo and) bands that are "New School"? I think New School is a pretty godawful name, but I'm sure someone who's into it will suggest a better one. --CalPaterson 20:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
That's a little more reasonable... although I believe many of the bands that people label screamo that shouldn't be (the more modern bands with very little influence) I'm sure something could be done.. although I'm sure true screamo fans would perfer these bands be given a different genre name so as to clear up confusion and arguing. There aren't that many of the modern bands being labeled screamo so shoving them over to a new genre would be pretty simple.... "Emotive Pop/Rock" or something? But until then we just have to deal with the "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it" note they give you in the edit page.
I wholly agree, but there's still a lot of bands in red. If you look at the List of emo bands page there are a few bands in the 80's that are red but most of the newer bands have pages on wiki. Is there some way we can kinda clean up the bands with articles that aren't on wiki. Maybe have it so the bands in red have external links claiming that they exist or an article about the band from a respectable media source----SOAD_ROCKS

Why not just delete the links on bands with no wiki page? That's what the List of Thrashcore bands page is like, and I don't see why it's not viable here either.

[edit] Is Underoath Screamo?

I'm too impressed and still disapointed about this list. There are a lot of rare bands, but there is still a lack of concordance of what screamo is. I think very differntly when they say A STATIC LULLABY, FINCH or even THE USED is not screamo, but post hardcore or pop punk, whilest you say a t the same time that Underoath is screamo. Underoath's lyrics are mainly about problems, life and God (it's a Christian band) very far from EMOish lyrics that characterise screamo. What is more, Underoath plays a lot of Metalcore,crossover and thrash and just one of their albums (they're only chasing safety) has a sort of screamoish style. So, if you listen to Silverstein's November, A Static Lullaby's Lip Gloss and Let Down, or The Used's I Caught Fire you'll see al lot more of screamo than in Underoath.

About the variety of bands in the list, it's all right. Go on like this.

No. Once again, as stated, read the screamo page. Post-hardcore has essences of screamo, but is not solely screamo itself. Ambrosia- 4 February 2007 20:40 (EST)

[edit] Band Cleanup

Holy hell. I'm going to remove all red links; no point listing bands if there's no information on them; otherwise it's basically promotion. If a band was notable enough to be mentioned on Wikipedia, they'd have an article. --Dane ~nya 11:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I've redeleted all bands with red links; if a band deserves an article, it should be created. The best way to determine inclusion for a band is notability, and that's by having an article. Otherwise, who's to say if a band is notable if they have no article, where anyone else can put their band on, notable or not? ('Sides, the top says a few bands... more like few hundred with the red links...) --Dane ~nya 01:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
And some of them link to already existing articles which have nothing to do with bands; i.e. Alcatraz, Wolves, Portrait... --Dane ~nya 01:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
"how could you possible have an article on notable screamo bands without portrait? there's a few others that should be up there too. we all know it. in order to make this page work, a little more work has to go into organizing pages for those other bands that should be on the list. i also think it's a little crazy to say that "just because a band has a wikipedia article it belongs on the list" - more work should go into verifying these claims because just about anyone can "prove" their band's relevance by sticking up an article then putting a link here. look at the article for nitro mega prayer (i mean, not that i don't like them) - it's barely proper wiki [2]. the criteria for this page are kinda strange and i think they need revision. xfireworksx
I've already had a few bands' articles deleted for non-notability from this list. If you think a band doesn't pass notability by WP:MUSIC, go ahead and propose it for deletion. And if a notable band doesn't have an article, go ahead and create it. I don't care who's added to this list, as I know nothing about it; I just want to maintain it, and keep it from useless linking to no articles. Otherwise, if we permit some bands with no articles, how can we permit others? How can we determine notability of something when they don't even have an article? If they're notable enough, they deserve more than a red link and should be created. --Dane ~nya 00:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Chemical Romance

Surprising to not see My Chemical Romance listed as screamo or discussed on this page. Some credible sources that consider them screamo:

Rolling Stone Blender Osmodius 05:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance, if anything, are/have become a 'stadium rock' band like Queen or Guns 'n' Roses. Even their old stuff would be difficult to describe as screamo. I wouldn't even call it emo. It's pop punk played by guys wearing black clothes. See AFI.

Your "credible sources" need to look up the definition of screamo. It's like calling a rap group rhymo (no offense intended). Genres should not be labeled because of some of their "vocal characteristics". -Ambrosia- 20:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you really comparing My Chemical Romance to Queen and Guns'n'Roses? If My Chemical Romance aren't screamo then perhaps you should adjust the definition on the screamo page. Osmodius 05:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read the definition on the screamo page. -Ambrosia- 02:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

'Characteristic of the genre are screaming vocals, harmonized guitars, and fast-paced riffs.' The definition on this page is so vague that yes, it can be applied to My Chemical Romance aswell as bands that aren't "screamo". So what else do we have to go on? Sources like Rolling Stone that represent popular opinion. Osmodius 13:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I would take the discussion of their genre over to their article, and only list bands on here if and only if their page states screamo. Would solve a lot of problems, and keep the encyclopaedia much more consistent. --Dane ~nya 13:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I have recently seen a MCR video and recall no screaming whatsoever. Oh, and do read this -Ambrosia- 22:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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