Talk:List of professional wrestling finishing maneuvers
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[edit] List lengh
This list is gonna end up being really, really long... At the moment this list only accounts for the finishers of wrestlers in the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) and former wrestlers from the former major promotions in north america. but what happens when we start putting wrestler from promotions all over the world. I just wonder if we can stread it into new pages for wrestlers in each promotion and keep this one as a basic wrestling slang page giving us a clean clear accout of what a finisher is (like it origionally was).
Then if this happens then we can start linking up each finisher to its corrosponding move in throws, attacks, holds and aerial attacks, aswell as double-team move pages. Paulley 12:17, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I think we should apply the same standards to inclusion of finishers as we do to bios: notability. We should list finishers for wrestlers who have achieved at least national renown. — Gwalla | Talk 21:08, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
On the subject of notability, there are a few wrestlers' names on the list that have 0 results when I searched for them on Google and Yahoo. I'm not saying that "If I don't know them, they don't exist", but if websites mentioning them cannot be found with Google or Yahoo, then they do not have national renown. On one hand, they might be newcomers to smaller promotions such as Ring Of Honor. But on the other hand, they might be little known indy wrestlers or even backyard wrestlers.
- I've removed a number of names including "Graham Pilkey" and "Jake Raynard". A google search yields no relevant results, they aren't on OWW, and the names aren't at all familiar. I have no reason to believe that they warrant inclusion. McPhail 11:39, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Finishers/Signature
Some of the moves in the finishers list are actually signature moves that are never used to end matches (eg. Triple H's Sleeper, Undertaker's Old School, Mankind's Tree Of Woe). A finisher is specifically a devastating move that can win the match, and have been used to win matches. Should the list be cleaned up and all the non-finishers removed?
- You make a valid point but most wrestlers switch finishers alot and often use i new signature move to win a match, i remeber when Triple H started using the sleeper hold and he used it to finish Jeff Hardy and win the match Paulley 21:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah but there is still a difference between signature moves and finishers, otherwise we would add small package/insidwhich is about the same sue cradle to the list and give the names of every cruiserweight who used it to win matches at some point. You made a good point there too about Triple H's sleeper; I must have missed the matches where he won with that hold. But Undertaker definitely did not use the Old School as a finisher. I have been watching WWF/E since his debut.
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- I think as long as we define a signature move as a move that is especially identified with a particular wrestler, it should be fine. The small package wouldn't count because just about everybody uses it. Personally, I think the article should only list moves that have a specific name when a particular wrestler does them, which would exclude generics like "450 splash" even if a particular wrestler relies on them a lot; the problem with that, though, is that a lot of moves got their names originally from the first wrestler to introduce them, or the wrestler who popularized them (c.f. the Sharpshooter: now a generic name, but originally part of Bret "The Hitman" Hart's gimmick). — Gwalla | Talk 01:56, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Would it be necessary to include a short paragraph of notification, or a message telling people to read this Discussion page prior to making changes/additions to the list? I noticed that Undertaker's Old School is back in the list. Also, someone added Eddie Guerrero's Three Amigos and John Cena's Five Knuckle Shuffle (both are not finishers).
[edit] Cleanup
Just linked all of the wrestlers' names in the list, so it can be used to cross-reference. I also removed generic moves: if a wrestler hasn't given a move a special name for when they use it, I don't think it belongs here (or else every move would end up on this list). I left the sharpshooter and the shining wizard, because they were originally finishers named by specific wrestlers, even though they've since become generic. — Gwalla | Talk 06:17, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Helpful link?
I don't have time to add it all in right now, but this link may be helpful to other editors. — Gwalla | Talk 06:17, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Halo
Someone reverted my edit to Halo, so just thought I'd explain it:
Halo is either a disambiguation page, or a page on religious iconography, depending on whether my suggested edits stay. Whichever one prevails, Halo doesn't link to a wrestler, and it doesn't link to a wrestling move. So if we're going to make the word "Halo" a wikilink, it probably ought to go to a wrestling-related page rather than a religious one. From the style of the article, it looks like the word shouldn't be linked at all. Ojw 17:05, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
- The move names link to descriptions of the move names, not the move itself, e.g. Triple H's finishing move is called the Pedigree, which links to an article about distinguished blood lines. The move name should link to a description of that term which makes sense when compared with the gimmick of the wrestler, e.g. Triple H originally had the gimmick of an artistocratic snob, so the name "pedigree" makes sense in that context. McPhail 17:45, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
- Since it doesn't really seem clear, I've added a note to the page: "Wherever possible, the move names listed below are linked to demonstrate the terms and pop-cultural references that give each finisher its name." --HBK 20:04, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Kryptonite
Just editing out a link. Whispering 20:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC) disambiguation link repair (You can help!)
[edit] Slamplex??
not in the right format of name of move, wrestler, description. haven't even heard of the move, can anybody fix it? --Chiyocide 15:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Well known finishers
I've deleted the entire list, as declaring those finishing moves as "well known" is POV and does not represent a worldwide view.Shot and Botched 01:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
