Talk:List of people with visual disabilities

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Contents 1 Comments 2 from VfD 3 Further discussion 4 Brandon Jardine 5 Joaquín Rodrigo 6 Blind in One Eye 7 Does Bach belong here? 8 Blind in one eye during childhood by an accident 9 Who is ajay?

[edit] Comments

OK, I give in - damn, I hate it when I spell something wrong, especially when we've got one of his CDs in the house! Deb 23:24 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)

Just wondering--is there a reason we don't make a distinction here between people with partial vision and those who have lost all vision at some point after birth? Seems to me that perhaps we could have three lists: blind from birth, blind later in life, and other visual disabilities. I'm happy to do this. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a reason not to. Jwrosenzweig 7/10/2003

The better question might be, "Is there a reason that we need to make a distinction between those who were born blind and those who later became blind?" -AED 08:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] from VfD

• List of people blind in one eye - Where will it end??? -- Viajero 20:54, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Ugh. Wikipedia is quickly morphing from an encyclopedia to a book of trivia. I vote to delete all list-of-people pages from now on. Axlrosen 21:11, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • I said exactly the same thing ages ago, that trivia doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia. It's making a mockery out of Wikipedia.
  • Keep, and redirect to List of people with visual disabilities, which I feel is about the right level of granularity. Please don't allow the fact that some people are entertaining themselves at our expense let you become prejudiced. Some people lists (for example List of people by name are rather useful. I also propose List of people who have created pointless inappropriate lists, and List of people who have attempted to argue by flawed analogy that if X list is kept/deleted then so must Y be Onebyone 23:04, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • More generally, this kind of thing could probably be discussed on Talk:Lists of people, and redirects performed as appropriate, so that not every single discussion on indexing ends up on this page until the list in question is actually defunct. Onebyone 23:16, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Keep; it's a factual source of information and would no doubt be useful for anyone trying to find information about notable people with this specific impairment. 129.234.4.10 00:34, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Keep. - SimonP 01:36, Oct 24, 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete. NON-ENCYCLOPEDIC. Daniel Quinlan 01:43, Oct 24, 2003 (UTC)
  • Merge into List of people with visual disabilities & specify behind the name that they are one-eyed. --Menchi 03:39, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Guess I was wrong when I said above there were no lists of cripples. I suggest we put a freeze on all lists pending the promised automated list system. Will it ever happen? -- zandperl 04:38, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • There are plans in hand. However, the work is on hold until the new servers are in place and the site is stable enough to handle major auto-updating by the Anomebot. -- The Anome 09:27, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete. See discussion above for List of birracial people. I also suggested the creation of a WIKILIST - Trivia Heaven to be - to "clean" the wiki-encyclopedia of these cataloguing mania. Cheers Muriel Gottrop 09:41, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete. We need to get a grip of this proliferation of useless lists. If these people are prominent for having done something, they should be listed for their accomplishments, not just for what they are. -- Arwel 11:29, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Keep. Highly specialized, but not useless -- If I faced losing an eye (or was a physician treating a child who lost an eye) I might find such a list quite valuable. Jgm 12:13, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Keep Lirath Q. Pynnor
  • Keep. If nothing else, just have a page merging various aliments (if you could call it that). There's no reason that we can't be extremely specialized. - user:zanimum
  • Keep all these lists, they do not distract from more useful information, so they do no harm, I find them useful. Making a list of any things in an category is non-NPOV. In some cultures there are no composers or the concept of composition and so they not have created a list of composers, someone made a POV choice when they created a encyclopedia in the first place. We should however, attempt to carry out the titleing and the editing of these "silly" lists, as NPOVly as possible, and I would suggest "List of famous people of European descent", instead of "Caucasian". NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill), created and distributed flyers with lists of famous people who have had mental illness. The Human Rights Campaign, a national group which promotes gay-straight equality, promotes National Coming Out Day, which encourages gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people to tell people that they are glb or t, respectively. People don't like these lists because that's what they are about, coming out, but both NAMI, HRC, and many people agree that it is a helpful process that decreases bias and stigma. Opposition to these lists is not a homophobic position, but refusing to talk about minority groups isn't going to make them go away, the the effects of trying to be color blind are heterosexist. Please keep lists as long as they are relatively NPOV and respectful.Hyacinth
  • Merge into List of people with visual disabilities and redirect. -- Jake 14:58, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Merged. All was well with the world. Martin 21:49, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Further discussion

A remarkably inaccurate division between "blind at birth" and "other". Was this even a useful categorization? Perhaps before "blind in one eye" was added, but not now I think. Should the distinction not be between "near total blindness", "blindness in one eye", and "other visual difficulties" rather than the date of the onset of the blindness? Or, if worth preserving that distinction (when we get it right): "near total blindness from birth", "near total blindness from childhood", "near total blindess of adult onset", "blindenss in one eye", and "other visual difficulties"? -- Someone else 22:12, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Brandon Jardine

Entry of Brandon Jardine, added 20:07, 31 October 2005, by 24.161.100.17 seems to be a hoax. Has anybody heard of this incident? If not, we should consider deleting the entry...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.225.78.173 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC).

being blind in one eye is not a disability.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.229.8.100 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Joaquín Rodrigo

"Joaquin Rodrigo - composer, blind from meningitis at age three." I thought it was diphtheria? --Jetman 10:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blind in One Eye

If a person is blind in one eye, can they be added to the list? WereWolf 02:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does Bach belong here?

Bach only went blind in the last few months of his life, and practically the only thing he wrote while blind was the last part of the Art of the fugue (Kunst der fuge) and the chorale at the end of it. I don't think that really qualifies him to be called a "blind musician." Ranthlee 19:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, is there any good reason for changing the listing of blind musicians, arbitrarily at the letter "P," from a straight list to a tabulation? The tabulated form requires citations, and most of the entries have none. On the other hand, if Bach were tabulated instead of listed, the above comment could be included in the table. Ranthlee 20:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blind in one eye during childhood by an accident

During my childhood when I was around 3 years old my mother was sewing some cloths with a needle. Unfortunately my mother happens to be sitting so close to me that she accidentally injured my eye unknowingly. As she was not aware of my sitting to close, this was the most tragic incident that left me and my right eye to much badly injured leaving my right cornea totally damaged that i had to live a life of same and dishonor. The community where i used to live in was a community of rural and uncivilized people who frequently tortured me by telling me hurting words about my disability. The time of sadness and depression was to long for me telling from spanning from my childhood to my youth. Being a son of a forest guard i was so poor that i could not even afford a artificial eye. This took me almost 6 years of handwork to bye artificial eye and me. I hope that this much of chapter as regards my life would help u to understand me more closely. I think the words even are proved to be light and useless to explain that trauma of my life and my sufferings.

Regards Ajay Singh Rajput

blind_oneeye@yahoo.co.in

[edit] Who is ajay?

Why has this man, Ajay Singh, posted his experiences with blindness on these pages under several headings? Is he a musician, actor, etc. or simply a man who is posting about himself on wikipedia? I reside with the latter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tetty2 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC).