Talk:List of people who were executed

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Rob e rt ^{T | @ | C} 04:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Isn't it a bit betetr if we add more infor regarding executees like date and place of execution?

Such info would be in the respective article. knoodelhed 05:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

1 Davy Crockett
2 Page layout
3 Dividing into groups
4 Thomas More
5 Offenders in Singapore & China
6 where were these people executed

[edit] Davy Crockett

His being executed is not confirmed. --YixilTesiphon

[edit] Page layout

Isn't it a bit betetr if we add more infor regarding executees like date and place of execution?

How should we try to organise this? If you look at the Swedish version, they have a good template. It seems they listed executions in Sweden first (by date) and then in the rest of the world. We could do this for every country. Any other ideas? User:141.161.70.77 23:00, 2 May 2005

Categories should include:

Religous Figures
Time of War
Corporal Punishment

and so on... R Lee E 23:12, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

(I'm not sure why this contribution was deleted by User:RickK

I think that the decision to put Jesus of Nazareth first is biased. If the list is sorted alphabetically, then Jesus shouldn't be placed first. Placing him there is basically a declaration that "Jesus is better than all the other people executed". I didn't want to just change it, though. 18:37, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Grouping the people in this long list is certainly desirable although rather a mine-field of problems. My suggestion would be to list date of death and a very short, idealy one word description of the reason for execution: treason, murder, pacifism etc. These descriptions will be controversial but can be expanded a word at a time i.e. alleged. Once done, a few with the same description can be placed under a sub-head and the others under others. The current headings aren't the best, two are job descriptions, one just dates the execution and the other coments on the legitamacy of the act. MeltBanana 21:22, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Here are my thoughts on the matter: Consider yourself for a moment as someone visiting this page looking for an answer. Likelyhood is you'll know what this person did to get executed, but your just not sure what their name is, or the reverse. It's unlikely you'll know such subtle details as the date or location of their execution. On top of that, as I've gone through categorizing this article, I've never had to stop and say to myself, "Hmm, I'm not sure where this guy this should go." The truth is, everyone so far has fit firmly into one of these four categories. R Lee E 23:01, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

The ease of fit, I would suggest, is mainly caused by the fact that the categories are so vague. Almost all executions are capital punishment by a state or political body otherwise they are considered murder. The very first name of the list was executed on a bogus charge of conspiracy according to his article, seemingly for his political writing, and at the time of the french revolution which seems close enough to a war to make the classification difficult. Anne Boleyn's death was not realy political but the unfortunate problems of adultery and a paranoid despot. Adolf Eichmann was not executed at the time of war. Maybe for his actions in war but they were completely different actions as a state offical then many of the spies which share his catagory.

My suggestion would be simply to aid later classification:

André Chénier (d. 1794), conspiracy, political writings

Andrei Chikatilo (d. 1994) murder

Anthony Babington (d. 1586) treason

Once all names have these details they will be easier to move into quite concice catagories. All treason can be put together and trickier people like Boleyn can be placed in other. Some possible catagories may be: Murder, Spying, Treason, Deposed leaders, political opponents, revolutionaries, Crimes against humanity. MeltBanana 00:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. You lead, I'll follow. Edit the article and add an example of your preferred format. I'll help out. R Lee E 02:56, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Well, since I took the initiative with this, and since IMO the categories suit this article well, I'm going to continue categorizing in this manner. Maybe what you could do, once you decide to start, is add those captions you mentioned, yet without messing up the order they're in now. Then, like you mentioned above, once all those captions have been established, it should be easy for us to decide on some more accurate categories. R Lee E 21:17, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I made a start on putting the very basic details to the names. Some more details could be gone into at a later date. If all murderers are grouped together, then serial killers could be a sub heading etc. Some classes could also be combined assassins, attempted assassins and people who conspired with assassins should probably be all one. I've tried to avoid treason as it can mean just about anything although some people are always going to be difficult to classify. MeltBanana 00:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks great so far! Once I have a bit more time, I'll help out. R Lee E 19:36, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dividing into groups

I have put dates and brief word on reason for execution to most of the people. I removed Jean Moulin as it doesn't sound like he was actually executed and George Kelly is a disambig page but of the Kellys with bios none seem to have been executed.

I put the murders in a group but avoided murderers with more political stances. Possible categories I would suggest are: Assassinion (successful or not), Deposed leaders (and families), Espionage (spys, freedom fighters etc.), Political opponents (a better title may be found), Religion/Heresy and War criminals. I know some may be a bit dubious but so if anyone has any suggestions... I will move most of these is a few days, if nobody complains deeply, and the rest rapists, pacifists, adulteresses and revoultionries can go in other. MeltBanana 20:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas More

I know he was a lawyer, but doesn't he fit better with religious figures than with treason? Joan of Arc was never in any formal religious order either as far as I recall. She is in religious figures as a Catholic saint and More I believe was canonized much earlier. Any objection to me moving him? (Note I am well aware he had Protestants killed and could be brutally cruel in his polemics. However Thomas Cranmer supported several executions and also supported Lady Jane Grey's claim to the throne according to BBC. This is arguably more "treasonous", but he's in the religion list)--T. Anthony 12:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Some people certainly do not fit easily within just one particular group. I tried to group them by what they were accused of at the time, hence Joan heresy and More treason. But charges of treason are so vague and often misused that that group should probably be as short a possible. I certainly don't mind if you move some peeps around. MeltBanana 14:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Offenders in Singapore & China

I have to mention that the offenders who are executed in Singapore and China are not included in the list mentioned here... there are many thousands who were executed there.--T.prasanth.mathew