Talk:List of office suites
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[edit] Inclusion of eDesk Online
According to Office suite: "Most office application suites include at least a word processor and a spreadsheet element. In addition to these, the suite may contain a presentation program, database tool, graphics suite and communications tools. An office suite may also include an email client and a personal information manager or groupware package."
If we were to apply the above definition, then eDesk Online qualifies as an office application suite. It contains a word processor and a spreadsheet element. They also have a database tool which they call eCabinet which allows you to create customised database structures. They also have an email client and a personal information manager in the form of Calendar.
Please see here Features for details on including eDesk Online. Pl. kindly provide your thoughts. Dhshah 16:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Inclusion of Google
Please see here [1] for some resources on including Google and tell me what you think. Thanks →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 08:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Google Docs & Spreadsheets
Last night, I added Google Docs & Spreadsheets to this page. This morning, I noticed that it had been there, and was removed. I find it a little odd to say that it's not a suite (it is a set of office programs, intended for use together), but then, I'm not the primary maintainer here and I don't want to override someone else's considered decision. However, if said reference is to be removed from this page, the reference to this page on the Google Docs & Spreadsheets page (which is how I got here in the first place) should be removed as well.
Thoughts?
Sorry not to sign with an account name; I'll create an account later today. --Patrick T. Ramsey 17:42, 05 December 2006
- It's on the page under the section Online office suites. However, I am of the opinion that we should only add here packages which call itself a suite. Google Docs & Spreadsheets may one day become a suite, but not today. --John Seward 15:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Right. I know it's there, because I put it there. I'll remove it, but, for consistency's sake, should someone also remove the reference to this page from the page on Google Docs and Spreadsheets? The two pages ought to either refer to each other mutually, or not refer to each other at all, I would think. Also, while GD&S may not be an online office suite, it is certainly the same *sort* of thing as the other online office suites listed here. Perhaps a page should be made to list such things, whatever they may be called.
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- Also, it seems that the only thing that docs/spreadsheets lacks that other "suites" on this page have is a presentations module. It certainly has a word processor, spreadsheet, collaboration software, and (one could say) an email client to boot. Not sure if that makes a suite, but it the very least, might it be included under the descriptor "partial suite" (as it is now) in the future?
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- Regardless, I'll remove it.
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- Crap. Still haven't made an account. I'll get on that.
- --Patrick T. Ramsey 02:24, 06 December 2006
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- Neither iWork, eDeskOnline, nor eyeOS explicitly call themselves office suites, and yet people consider them to be such(and they are included on this list). I can't even find the word "suite" anywhere on the Microsoft Office Live website, even though anybody who's heard of it will most likely call it an office suite. According to Office suite: "Most office application suites include at least a word processor and a spreadsheet element. In addition to these, the suite may contain a presentation program, database tool, graphics suite and communications tools. An office suite may also include an email client and a personal information manager or groupware package."
- Google Docs & Spreadsheets certainly meets these criteria, esp. considering its integration with Gmail, and IMHO should either be included or else several other entries in this list should be removed.
- qwe 17:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- But eDeskOnline calls itself "Your Personal Global Virtual Office" and eyeOS describes itself as "Web Desktop - Web OS - Web Office". As for iWork, I am puzzled why it is on this page as well; it neither calls itself an office, nor does it include any software application which is considered essential components of an office suite, ie the word processor and the spreadsheet. If there is no objection I'll remove it as well.
- Google Docs & Spreadsheets do contain a word processor and a spreadsheet, but it's just that -- a word processor and a spreadsheet. It may be the first step towards a real office suite, but until it features tighter integration between the two than just a single sign-on, or an additional component (a wiki or a presentation tool), it can't be considered an office suite yet, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. And Gmail is not part of Google Docs & Spreadsheets. --John Seward 16:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Agree with inclusion, no matter what it is called, it is an office suite. Also, see this InformationWeek article (from Aug 2006) detailing the Office Suite they already sell to small/mid-size businesses. →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 04:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge Alternatives from Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org
Both MS Office and OO.o articles have sections listing alternative suites. Are these appropriate (topical, relevant, informative) or do they stray from the main topics? Please discuss. Steven Fisher supports a merge & removed the alternatives section from MS Office. --Karnesky 17:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Against Merge. First and foremost: MS Office and OO.o should be treated in the same way. If there is a section of alternatives in OO.o, it should also be in MS Office. I believe that a NPOV discussion of alternatives is relevant to MS Office, so am not opposed to a short list in either article. The list should consist of major competitors & probably have more references and discussion of how they are seen as alternatives (there have been numerous articles in the popular press about alternatives to MS Office). --Karnesky 17:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- For Merge. I agree that MS Office and OO.o should be treated the same way, but that is a different discussion -- the current state of the OO.o article should not be used in isolation to oppose the merge. Any list of alternatives across both of these articles is by nature duplication, and is also spam- and bias-bait. Generally, Wikipedia doesn't have these lists: Coca-Cola, Linux, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel do not contain these lists. Adobe Photoshop does, but has the same problem: It's duplication of an existing article. It is unclear why office suites should be an exception to this. I believe emphasis should be placed on properly referencing List of office suites, and Comparison of office suites rather than imperfectly duplicating sections across all these articles. A discussion of major alternatives is already present in each article's lead and does not need to be duplicated and expanded on in a separate section. -- Steven Fisher 18:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- For Merge ^ ditto — a thing 03:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- For Merge I agree with the arguments outlined above. Both OO.o and MS Office have these lists and its duplication can lead to reduced accuracy. I don't take the view that this is a case of SPAM in the article. Lists have become a topic of argument amongst wikipedians I take a more contrarian viewpoint that they are sometimes a necessary informative source. but in this case we would be better served by have a list maintained in one primary location. --Mrr1979 15:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. Well, I didn't mean to sound completely anti-list. Only anti-list where it doesn't seem to be needed (like here). :) -- Steven Fisher 23:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- For Merge. It seems redundant to have both a list and comparison page and still paste all of these here. Oberiko 18:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. The only specific advantage of keeping these sections in the MS Office and OO.o articles is that the information regarding the products can be tailored to those two suites. We don't take advantage of this as much as we could, but an example of this is that there is some disccusion in the MS Office article on compatibility with the MS Office file formats. This is currently missing from the comparison of office suites (though ODF support is there). I see this advantage as significant, and would like to see a little more on the standard office document formats debate and similar relevant topics enter these articles. If these sections are removed, we might still want to refer to this & should definitely add MS Office compatibility to the software comparison. --Karnesky 19:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- For Merge. Let's remove duplication - one page can be easily linked from all listed suites. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.117.4.197 (talk • contribs).
- It has been a week, so I'll take the consensus as "for merge." Please don't revert OO.o or MS Office to the lists as they exist now. No one was explitily against lists which were more tailored to the main articles (rather than merely an overview of all office suites which is a duplication of content), but I was the only one explicitly for this. If some future person wishes to try to add similar lists back in, I suggest that they make them "targeted." --Karnesky 23:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
