Talk:List of neighbourhoods in Saskatoon

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Contents 1 Silverwood Industrial 2 Do we really need a template? 3 Reference for place names 4 Rosewood 5 The neighborhood articles need major work 6 Sask-A-Boom 7 Other wikis as references

[edit] Silverwood Industrial

To my knowledge the industrial area directly north of Silverwood Heights is still (despite a major redesign by the city) Silverwood Industrial. Anyone know which SDA it belongs to? 23skidoo 17:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably Lawson. Maybe a quick call to the city would result in a swift answer? They could probably provide a full, up-to-date list as well. Sven Erixon 17:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about quick. I tried to find out the current land area of Saskatoon (after the Blairmore annexation) and I couldn't find anyone who could actually provide me with that information! I get the feeling City Hall isn't very well organized for these sorts of things. And there also is some inconsistency when it comes to names. For example, some maps show the name Westview, but the area is generally known as Westview Heights. I added a few alternate names here and there as well that have been used over the years. For example, Varsity View is also known as Brunskill. 23skidoo 18:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure all maps that are actually located at City Hall use the same naming conventions. Unsure if that includes maps that they release/distribute. Did you talk to anyone in the City Planning/Land Development departments? Sven Erixon 18:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do we really need a template?

I mean, realistically, are there ever going to be articles written about each of Saskatoon's communities? I don't think any of them would survive AFD if they were created. Personally I'm surprised this list has survived for so long without being deleted. 23skidoo 17:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought that if the public schools and high schools all have their pages, and other cities have their neighborhoods online, and the electoral district (stubs) and if roads and highways have their own pages, I felt it would be exciting to have Saskatoon's neighborhoods online. Photos of older and newer areas of the city's neighborhoods, combined with history and development. Saskatoon is growing and evolving fairly quickly in the realm of neighborhoods, maybe not quite so fast as when it was a Hub City. Let me develop a few neighborhood articles, so I can see what is available about such... and then lets see if there is enough info to warrant this or no.... I may be optimistic :-) SriMesh 26 January 2007 (UTC)

True, there are articles about neighbourhoods in other cities, but they tend to be a bit more notable. I guess all I'm saying is whoever creates the articles on, say, Nutana Suburban Centre had better load it up with references and sources and notable information otherwise someone will slap an AFD nomination on it. I've seen it happen. Electoral districts and things like bridges and highways are generally considered inherently notable (though I've seen many AFD attempts, some successful some not), but neighbourhoods unless you're talking about neightbourhoods in major metropolitans cities have a tough row to hoe. 23skidoo 17:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I tried to create an article on one of the more obscure neighborhoods like Meadowgreen, I'll check out how it goes, as I go along. I hope it works out, I am a bit biased, being a life time resident of this city, and figured if little Saskatchewan towns can have a peek online, then a neighborhood of comparable size should also have a go. I appreciate what you are saying, and I shall try to write up the articles so they are presentable and valid entries.

Nutana Suburban Centre has been started. I would still like to get pictures, and more links on this page, but a rough draft of an article is there. SriMesh

We'll see what happens. The time lag between an article being created and going to AFD (or PROD) can vary from a few minutes after recreation to a month or more. Basically until someone notices it who thinks every article in Wikipedia should be about Shakespeare and nuclear physics. These days, strange as it may sound, the hardest articles to get to survive around here are those on localized topics (such as neighborhoods) and articles on porn stars. No fooling. The key is to get as much information as possible into the articles (without violating WP:NOR) so that should an AFD challenge occur it's easier to defend. 23skidoo 17:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for writing articles on Saskatoon's neighbourhoods. While it's true that they might not have the same depth of history as neighbourhoods in a major metropolis, I think there's enough interest in them to warrant trying. I have been the major contributor to the places in Saskatoon on Wikimapia, and I've usually been able to dig up some interesting facts about them. Drm310 20:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed that the popular image thumbnail size of 350px on some of these neighbourhood pages is causing some serious formatting problems. I'm on a 1280 x 854 screen; some images overlap article text or tables, making any embedded links inaccessible. I tried reducing the thumbnails on the Silverspring page to 180px, and it looks better. I looked at some other neighbourhood pages from other cities, and smaller images seem to keep the formatting cleaner. Drm310 15:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment on image size, I have some more pictures taken, and as they are added I will use the teenier sizing. Hopefully the weather becomes spring like consistently and then I can add 'summer' as well as 'winter'pics of our beautiful city. SriMeshSriMesh Julia 18:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference for place names

I've been using the City of Saskatoon's zoning address map (ZAM) page (http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/city_planning/zam_maps/index.asp) as the authoritative source for the names of neighbourhoods. Anyone else using a different source? Drm310 15:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• I use the official city map issued each year by the Saskatoon Chamber of Commerce, which presumably comes from the same source. I haven't noted any glaring inconsistencies, except some maps show one neighbourhood name as "Westview" while others show "Westview Heights". The city did do a rearrangement of community boundaries in the 1990s because prior to that there was no (for example) Adelaide/Churchill area; it was Adelaide Park and Churchill as separate communities. 23skidoo 15:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also been using the ZAM maps or the map at Selling an Idea or a Product Does anyone know where to classify the Management Areas. As I have been building neighborhood profiles, I bump into a management area to the east or west or what have you, and I cannot find its proper SDA home on ZAM. SriMeshSriMesh Julia 18:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

One of the neighborhoods which was created in the same format as all the others in naming convention is Wildwood, and the name has been changed from Wildwood, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan to Wildwood, Saskatoon. Should I put re-directs on all of them now? Or is it OK that the one has been changed? SriMeshSriMesh Julia 18:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for truncating the article name after "Saskatoon". It seems superfluous to have "Saskatchewan" on the end of every one of them. Drm310 21:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the key would be to look at similar neighborhood articles for the likes of Vancouver or Toronto and see what name format they use. 23skidoo 02:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rosewood

I support leaving it unlinked for now. Although its name and that of its neighbour Brookside do appear on some maps (I have one put out by the Chamber of Commerce that shows it) and it is also referenced here and here, the name could be changed in the future. I will be adding Brookside to the list (again without link). I will add a citation to the Saskatoon Civic Report, though, just for verification. 23skidoo 04:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

How timely... I was at the Homestyles show this past weekend, and one of the builders had a city map which included up-and-coming neighbourhoods. Rosewood was marked on the map, in the area that is currently identified as the Southeast Development Area. A source I have that works for the city says that the land will start being serviced this year. Drm310 05:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Any sign of Brookside? My recollection is that it was supposed to be the community directly east of Rosewood, but the latest online city maps suggest it and Rosewood have been combined. 23skidoo 14:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I saw no mention of Brookside on that particular map. Rosewood was the only neighbourhood in that vicinity. It also showed seven unnamed neighbourhoods surrounding the Blairmore Suburban Centre, which is consistent with the city's West Sector Plan document. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drm310 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Wouldn't be the first time plans were adjusted. 23skidoo 15:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The neighborhood articles need major work

I've been looking at some of the articles linked from this list and they need major work. To be honest I think that it's a miracle they haven't been nominated for AFD. First off, the articles need to have "home salesman phrases" removed such as the one I just removed from the Exhibition article: "Beautifully located". That is not Wikipedia style and instantly makes the article a violation of WP:NPOV. I've worked on a few of the articles and have suggested them as templates such as Nutana Suburban Centre, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (compare this one with the one on Exhibition - not in terms of content but in terms of style). The intros also need to take into account that the articles are potentially going to be read by people worldwide, who need some context as to what they're reading. I strongly recommend that the articles be given a thorough rewriting and wikifying otherwise -- and I've seen this before -- it's only a matter of time before they draw the wrong kind of attention and as most of the articles currently stand, it would be difficult to protect them from AFD. It is exactly in order to "stay under the radar" that I have refrained from putting "Cleanup" tags on them. 23skidoo 05:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps if some of us agreed to do some cleanup, using the "divide and conquer" tactic? I'd be willing to tackle all the neighbourhoods in one SDA (e.g. University Heights), using the Nutana S.C. article as a template. How does that sound? Drm310 05:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Will desist from using colorful adjectives in future write ups. When doing several of these, there is a desire to give each neighborhood there own description seperate from another, which is why some were too colorful perhaps. Will also try to add more pictures and more information about notable people from each locale. Thanks again for comments, and desisting from tags--it is a learning curve and so far the articles are kind of holding their own for the time being. It is good that one of the very first article ever written is good for a template. Have been surfing Wikipedia and comparing these articles to other neighborhood articles as well as time goes on...SriMesh Julia 04:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking through and just pulling a few randomly...These seem to show Saskatoon neighborhood articles in a good light...Robina, Queensland, Patricia Heights Rio Terrace Quesnell, Quartiere San Lorenzo, Berryhill, Oklahoma, Bankview, Calgary, Eglinton East

However these are better....this is what to use as templates...perhaps ...Neighborhoods in Boston, Massachusetts, Stari Grad, Belgrade from FA city articles which were perused as well. SriMeshJulia 16:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sask-A-Boom

An interesting article, but does it need a reworked context? I think it would be more appropriate as part of a "History" section, which describes how the city's neighbourhoods developed. For example, [Populace Spring 2006] shows the history of the city's boundary expansion. I think this would be a more appropriate context. Drm310 05:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Added the Sask-A-Boom article to a newly created article called History of Saskatoon. The populace article is fascinating! It is not copyright, so I added some information from it...perhaps it can be reviewed? I have also e-mailed the images to the permissions wiki-image editor to see if the images can be put online. SriMeshJulia 04:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The history page is a great spot for all the relevant content about Saskatoon's past. I haven't had a chance to review it in detail, but it looks like you've done a good job at organizing the content and citing sources. It also moves a lot of extraneous content off of the main Saskatoon page, which is a good thing. Well done! Drm310 14:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other wikis as references

I noticed that some citations in the neighbourhood articles reference other wikis ([Wikimapia], specifically). Unfortunately these are prone to vandalism, and therefore should not be considered reliable sources on their own. One example of this was the Holiday Park neighbourhood; someone wrote that the area had originally been called "Mesopotamia", but nowhere have I found any information to back this claim. Other places nearby had equally absurd descriptions (e.g. a school being called the HMS Titanic), which was clear evidence of vandalism. When I began adding Wikimapia places, I regrettably did not think to put links to the sources of my information - I was a wiki newbie then. Now I add links whenever possible, to back up the information I enter; that should be cited as the source. Drm310 05:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh thank you! I did use this as a source, as you had been doing an awesome job on what I had seen you entering at Wikimapia, and what I was familiar with myself. I haven't to date seen this reference either, but will keep my eyes open, as I begin to attack the library next... Do you know about the Nutana Suburban Center being named Utopia to begin with, and they were about the same era? I will watch what are primary source and which are secondary source documents just like in genealogy from now on.  :-)SriMesh Julia 00:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I did find a reference on the City of Saskatoon site for Utopia City of Saskatoon Archives - The Saskatoon History Quiz, so it is good to go... will still investigate Mesopotamia however...:-)SriMeshJulia 00:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)