Talk:List of minor Star Wars Jedi characters

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[edit] Shaak ti

How was shaak killed? Stabbed in back or head and legs cut off?

I'd like to know what the official stance on this is. On her page, it says Vader stabs her in the back (that's among the things that seem to have been cut out of the RotS DVD from the theatrical release), but the DVD's deleted scenes show Greivous stabbing her through the neck.

Another problem is that the page currently says that Shaak Ti appeared as a hologram later in the movie, thus overriding her death by Greivous in a deleted scene of RoTS, but I have been unable to locate this hologram. Can someone tell me what scene it is in? Does anyone who owns the RoTS DVD (which has Lucas' commentary) know whether the Shaak Ti scene was deleted because it made the movie too long, or really because he wanted to give her another destiny? This is a very important issue because G-level canon, including deleted scenes, override all other forms of canon, including the RoTS novel. I suppose if Shaak Ti does appear as a hologram later, then this "real" scene overrides the "deleted scene," otherwise the "deleted scene" overrides the novel and all others and must be considered canon Solberg 09:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

Why would the deleted scene override C-canon? --Maru (talk) Contribs 00:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
It's the reason the scene was deleted that counts as I already mentioned. If he deleted it because it made the movie "too long" (a common reason in the industry), then I think this means it "really happened" but wasn't shown, which makes it canonical (level G I think, which overrides C). In contrast, if he deleted the scene because he didn't like where it was going (i.e. contradiction with movie plot, or Shaak Ti should die later, etc) then it's not canon. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_canon , "Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays." I would infer that deleted scenes that "did happen" but were taken out b/c of length, belong somewhere between the movies and the scripts in canonicity. -- Solberg 01:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg
This seems to be untrod territory. I doubt it was deleted for length- rather it was to highlight Vader's villainy, I suppose. I'd hold to Infinities canon level, since it never made it into the actual movie, and so it would be analogous to various deleted versions of the scripts, which if you know anything about how much the scripts get reworked, are defintely not G- or C-canon. --Maru (talk) Contribs 07:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
But that's very different. It costs a lot of money to shoot film for a professional movie (I forget what is the figure in terms of dollars/second but it's quite ridiculous), even less a Star Wars movie. Anything that made it past the script phase (essentially a rough draft) has usually been considered very deeply. I don't have the Episode III DVD commentary on hand (a friend will return it in a week or so), but I remember that many of the other deleted scenes (eg most of the political scenes with Padme) were taken out for practical reasons, relating to length or fluidity of the movie and not because Lucas decided they were "wrong" in some sense. Going by another analogy, I believe in Star Trek (yeah I know it's not the same), that deleted scenes are very highly ranked in canon so long as they were not "alternate scenes." Maybe someone could ask George??  ;) -- Solberg 07:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

[edit] Aayla Secura

I alraedy edited this in, but I wanted to open some discussion about it as it's just a personal observation and not backed up with anything else.

When Secura was hit in E3, it was with blue blaster fire. I've only seen it in the films one other time, when Leia was captured. That may just mean I haven't paid enough attention, but it was also notable that there was no scorching on her skin or vapor trails. Lucas isn't great about being cohesive with the effects of blaster fire, but one would think that with as close a range as Secura's body was shown, the lack of blaster damage would have been obvious to someone in the editing suite. Note also that she is the only one who is fired on multiple times after being killed, which would further lead me to think that she was being stunned rather than killed. --ObscureAuthor 02:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I dunno, maybe they just wanted to confirm she was dead? Impossible to say for certain, but considering that the Clone Troopers were carrying out Order 66 to exterminate the Jedi, and the Emperor's orders were followed in every other case, I'm not really convinced that Secura would've survived in that situation. ekedolphin 09:34, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
I belive that our very own Wiki on Aayla says they planed to make a t.v series out of her character, and with Lucus' recent announcment that he is infact doing a t.v series, i can only assme that she was indeed stunned by the clone troopes and not killedIorek 17:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
It's really too bad they bagged Aalya like that. She was a hottie Twi'lek that should have slipped away, but check this out... In EP III, you see Aayla getting taken down by the blaster bolts. Since she shows a bit of skin, where bolts hit her exposed flesh, little red burn marks appeared. I'd figure if a blaster makes a huge gouge in walls, there would be far more damage to her flesh if he got hit with blaster bolts, especially at point blank range. They could have very well have been set to stun, however, in Ep IV, when Princess Leia is "stunned" by the Storm Troopers, the blaster makes a blue ring of energy. We probably should have seen a similar effect in EP III if the blasters were on stun. Last but not least, the Clone Troopers, being super-obedient, follow all orders without question. If Order 66 was "kill all Jedi" they would have done just that, so I don't see any reason why they'd just stun Aalya and not kill her as ordered. Some may think, well since she was a hot babe, maybe the Clones would have "had some fun" with her first, then maybe later she recovers, kills the Clone Troopers and slips away. Kind of a weird idea, but I don't think Lucas would be suggesting that. SkeezerPumba 09:10, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, to be quite frank, I may have been engaging in some wishful thinking. But there's no question that she dies in a much different fashion than the other Jedi shown (albeit there's not many people out there who are gonna wave a flag for Ki-Adi-Mundi...) The ring thing is correct, but that doesn't bother me terribly much... after all, lots of things are different between E3 and a new hope. Not inconceivable that the "ring" was a result of the enhancement of the stun feature and thus it took just one bolt to take Leia out. I think the fact that Lucas liked her well enough from the EU - one of the EXTREMELY few times he's even deigned to notice the EU - to bring her into slight prominence in the movies might be the best evidence that she may not be done for. --69.137.90.250 05:41, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jocasta Nu

Maybe I missed it... Where in the book does it say that Anakin killed Jocasta? An anon. user put that bit in her entry but I can't recall reading that anywhere in the book. Granted, Anakin went through the temple and slaughtered a lot of Jedi but where does it say that he killed her specifically. Could have been a clone trooper... Dismas 12:59, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I think we are just supposed to assume that if they where in the temple, Anakin got them. Iorek Brynson

Anakin killed Jocasta in the Episode III video game, running a lightsaber through him when she refused him access to the Jedi Archives. It's not directly contradicted by anything we saw in the movie itself, so therefore it'd be considered "C-canon" according to the Star Wars canon article. I think. ekedolphin 09:32, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... Seems like a weak justification for it being in the article but that's just MHO... Dismas 09:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Aayla

I moved the entry for Secura its own page. I felt the entry was big enough to warrent one. Plus, I plan on adding more info to it. --Kross 04:11, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Even Piell

What source states that he survived the Purge? I'm curious.

[edit] Crin Drallig

"Cin Drallig was a Jedi Master in the years during and previous to the Clone Wars. He was a legendary lightsaber instructor and his skills were very impressive. In the book, it's revealed that Yoda trained him and he in turn trained Obi-Wan."

Excuse a star wars AND a wikipedia newbie, but i thought qui-gon trained Obi-wan Kenobi?


Please fix this if its not the way it's supposed to be or anything.

I haven't read any star wars books or anything, but I believe I read somewhere that Obi Wan was under Yoda for a while then was turned over to Qui Gon. So maybe Yoda trained him as a child like in Episode 2, then was trained by Cin Drallig to hone his lightsaber skills, and then was trained by Qui Gon...

Right. Obi Wan never actually had a master for a long time. Eventually Qui Gon accepted him. Qui Gon had troubles with a former student which is why he was so reluctant. After Qui Gon died Yoda finished his training, which took only a year or two. Cin Drallig never trained Obi wan

[edit] Quinlan Vos

Actually according to the expanded universe, Vos survived the purge. One of the further Star Wars tales depicts a meeting between him and a young Han solo after Solo had left the Empire's service.

Star Wars Tales aren't "canon." --Anon
Actually, it is, but G-level canon (movies, radio plays, scripts, etc) over rules C-level canon (Expanded Universe novels, comics, etc). In other words, if the movies say he's dead, then he dead. Only Lucas or Lucasfilms can change that. --Kross 03:36, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, Star Wars Tales is N-level canon, though certain elements can on occasion become C-level. The movies have nothing to say one way or the other about Quinlan Vos, but at least one C-level canon source depicts him dying during the Jedi Purge, so until the N-level canon source that depicts him surviving becomes C-level canon, Quinlan Vos is, for all intents and purposes, dead.

[edit] Getting kind of large

This article is getting a tad big. All the text alone is over 58kb and overall with the pictures, its probably larger. I think we need to try and split it up somehow. Suggestions? --Kross 07:30, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi, Barriss Offee, Saesee Tiin, and Luminara Unduli could more than likely be split off into their own articles without much argument from anyone. I agree that this article has expanded to the point where we should split it up though. It seems most of the expansion has come in the last two weeks. --Dismas 07:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think that maybe we should limit this page to Jedi from Episodes I, II, and III only. Then we could start up another page for ones from the Expanded Universe. It would help to reduce size and would make chronology easier to follow (for example, I hardly think placing Lowbacca among Jedi Council members makes much sense). --Kakashi-sensei 23:04, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I've split off Fist, KAM and apparently either turned Offee's article into a redirect or didn't change her section in this article. I'm not sure about Koon and Tiin. Unduli might have a big enough entry. I've gone ahead and removed Kyle Katarn from the list. He's not a minor character. He's starred in several games and a few of the EU novels, I believe. Ullic is someone else who has to go. He's known more as a Sith, than as a Jedi. --Kross 17:14, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
Just moved Plo Koon, twice. Damn Wikipedia speed bumps. :P --Kross 12:00, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
I've been saying that the Handmaiden section should have its own article like all the other KOTOR II characters.
Moved a bunch of characters to List of Ancient Jedi. --Kross 15:04, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
Removed Aayla Secura, Ki-Adi-Mundi and Plo Koon. After all, they are not that minor, and they have their own articles. Handmaiden is probably more minor than Juhani and Jolee Bindo, but since she was moved to List of Ancient Jedi, those two probably should be moved too. And if Handmaiden is mentioned, why isn't Disciple? Discrimination? ;) --Sikon 16:16, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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We left links to their articles on the page so people who normally come here can still find them. --Kross 17:24, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

I think it seems odd how some KOTOR and KOTOR II characters have articles of their own but some are being placed in this list. -- User:Psi edit

Quinlan Vos is now on his own page.--Kross 10:56, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 4 leaders or 5?

This article, under Fisto, Kit, claims there were 5 leaders of the Jedi on Geonosis, because it includes one Padawan.

The actual article for Kit Fisto claims it was only 4 Jedi, and omits the the Padawan.

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[edit] Small edit under Kieran Halcyon

Someone had noted that Darth Vader had displayed Energy Absorption on Cloud City in The Empire Strikes back as an example on Energy Apsorption in the section about Kieran Halcyon and his bloodline. I removed the text saying (Darth Vader exhibited absorb energy in The Empire Strikes Back when he absorbed Han Solo's blaster fire and channeled the energy into telekinesis, ripping away Solo's blaster). Because Vader did not display Energy Absorption, he was merely blocking the shot with his armored glove.

I, Jedi begs to disagree. --Maru (talk) 04:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually, both versions of the scene are respectable. In an EU book it is claimed that Vader's glove was (virtually) indestructible and that's how he blocked the shot for example. Just mention both possibilities. -- Solberg 04:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg
Eugh. You are referring to the Jedi Prince series and the Glove of Darth Vader, are you not? --Maru (talk) Contribs 05:02, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, saying that it's respectable may be pushing the envelope.  ;) -- Solberg 06:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

[edit] Sarrissa Jeng merged here

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarrissa Jeng. Johnleemk | Talk 14:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split

This page is becoming large; I suggest we split it four- or five-way, since there's at least 20-30 more one paragraph jedi articles. Deckiller 17:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Definitely a good idea, this page is too long to reasonably look through. (I agree with Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars/things to do proposal) I wonder how difficult it would be technically to make the "#person" links to this page redirect to the appropriate subpage and that person. -Xol 01:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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