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[edit] No Executioners?

A Death by explosion section that doesn't have Michelle Yeoh's death scene from Executioners?!? This will not stand! Ok, I added it...

23:05, 26 February 2007 Cmdr Spock 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)(UTC)Cmdr SpockUser:Cmdr Spock 23:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No highlander

A section for death by depcatitation, but no mention of any Highlander movies?!!!!!!!!!!!


So add them in. JoshuaZ 22:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rambo

Need to add Rambo somewhere! --Astator 16:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kill Bill (I & II)

Kill Bill Volume II removed from Death by Ocular Trauma. Elle clearly does not die from having her eye plucked out by Beatrix, and the closing credits make it deliberately unclear whether she dies at all. If she does die, it is most likely due to snakebite.--71.146.119.133 01:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fargo

Steve Buscemi's character is already dead when he goes into the Wood Chipper in Fargo. Hence it's not really a gory death scene. Mintguy (T) 15:38, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As I recall the film, Carl's death does not take place onscreen, so there's no way of knowing if he was alive or dead on being placed in the chipper. Even if he was dead, what difference does it make? That's an unreasonably narrow interpretation of the topic. - George100 07:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do animal deaths count?

Do animal deaths count? (The Cell, in which a horse is sliced into sections by evenly spaced glass panes. 1) - LuciferBlack 20:12, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

I debated on adding that in there, but included it because it's a rather memorable, and gory, scene. If you don't know what scene I'm talking about, it's [this scene] courtesy of the website Retrocrush's 100 Scariest Movie Moments.
Is the horse scene in The Cell even a death? From what I remember the horse continues its bodily functions. 68.226.156.222 05:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death by Gunfire

BTW, shouldn't there also be sections for stuff like "Death by gunfire", especially in movies where characters get their heads blown off by shotguns (ex: Willem Dafoe in Wild at Heart) or heavy weapons (various soldiers in Saving Private Ryan and the soldier decapitated by a cannonball in The Patriot).--YoungFreud 03:32, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Strange, I don't remember that scene. But then again, I must confess that I slept through most of the movie. If you say that it was a significant scene, then I have no problem with it.
Just as long as we emphasize that the Death by Gunfire is remarkably different from the myriad of other gunfire deaths. The premise of this list is that "characters die violently and gorily" --LuciferBlack 18:02, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Dead/Alive

What about the lawnmower scene in Dead Alive? Though I suppose that might not be a death scene, since the victims were already (un)dead. . . —No-One Jones 00:39, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

If it "thinks", then I would classify it as alive. That's just me, though. Defining "life" is very much like defining pornography: You'll know it when you see it. - Brother Dave Thompson 05:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Un chien andalou

I remember seeing this movie about 18 billion times in a college film class, and I'm fairly certain that the woman that gets her eye slit doesn't die. However, being the strange f'd up crapfest of a film that it is, I'm wondering if I may have missed something that some other more observant viewer may have caught that suggests that the woman acctually did die. A little help here? - Brother Dave Thompson 2:22, April 23 2006 (PST)

Actually, you're right, it probably shouldn't be in there. There's no indication that the woman dies. I guess I just got a bit excited about the whole eye trauma thing...Tommyt 16:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Changed the section on the head in the blender scence, as it was a baby NOT a head. EvilMuppet 04:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)EvilMuppetEvilMuppet 04:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eraserhead

What's with the "goes to Heaven only after killing his baby"? The movie 'Eraserhead' has virtually hundreds of interpretations, and it's just one speculation that the light at the end of the movie is any form of 'Heaven'!

- 81.15.146.91 13:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

This is what's wrong with movies like this. Either the writer/director/whatever had no real concept to begin with and very likely just likes fucking with people in the name of art, or (s)he was so stoned out of his/her gourd when they concieved their "unique artistic vision" that there's no way they can understand what it's really about whilst sober. Eh! - Brother Dave Thompson 05:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anime inclusions and exclusions

As a fan, I know that anime films can be quite violent. I had a feeling that one day a title, especially a big one like Akira, would be added to this list. I'd held off from adding them since there can be too many, IMO. Any ideas? I think we should limit animated inclusions to feature films and to specific events in the film, as we do with no OAVs and TV series.--YoungFreud 04:37, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The top of the page specifically mentions special effects, which can be read to exclude all forms of animation. - SimonP 23:55, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
Agreed, but it's really semantics. While animation can be used as a special effect, such as stop motion animation and computer generated imagery, I believed that the list should only cover live action feature length and theatrical films, otherwise we can include any Warner Bros. cartoon which features Daffy Duck blowing off his face. I think the list description should include a list of disqualifications:
Archive or historical footage- the list should be restricted to special effects in fiction films. Real footage of executions and war deaths in documentaries or grafted into works of fiction are restricted (i.e., the Saudi beheading scene and the Apache guncamera footage in Fahrenheit 9/11). This also excludes snuff films.
Animated features and shorts- while the gory special effect can be made using stop motion animation, CGI or even traditional 2D animation matted onto film, this list is restricted to predominatly live action films. No anime films or cartoon shorts (i.e., Akira and Looney Tunes shorts). Who Framed Roger Rabbit? can be allowed as it is a live-action film spliced with animated characters.
Is this reasonable? Should there be more or can anyone think why we should disqualify inclusions? --YoungFreud 05:07, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Are all of these listed really 'gory'?

I mean, the Wizard of Oz is on here...--Micro506 22:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I've been wondering that, too. I've been considering going through and prunning this list. Like the Wizard of Oz, the Harry Potter ones really took the cake there. --YoungFreud 00:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
I also agree that this list needs some prunning. - SimonP 00:15, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Same here. I mean, are there any gory deaths in the Star Wars films at all? And the Terminators falling into molten lava? Not only is that not gory, but technically, they aren't even deaths. I plan on copyediting the article soon to correct links and whatnot, and if no one has removed suspicious entries by then, I'll do it myself. Sorry, but if you want the unseen and implied digestion of Sarlacc victims put back in, you're going to have to make a good case for it. --Bacteria 16:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I think I just realized that a lot of people submitting to this list might be confused with that the death should be gory and blood-soaked. I'm wondering if there should be a List of films by famous death scene article added. I know that I'm currently fighting the urge to add Fredo's death from Godfather Part II, even though the shooting occurs off-camera and no corpse is shown. It's a famous death scene, but not gory. However, I fear that this might cause some repetition. --YoungFreud 08:37, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, I found that Darth Maul's death in The Phantom Menace to be quite uncharacteristically violent (being sliced in two across the midriff). But I agree, some of the death scenes here aren't really that gory. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs Germany 13:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I would have done well to read WP:BEANS :-p Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs Germany 13:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I've gone through and done a little pruning (there was also an anime series listed). I used the following criteria when pruning.

1: It actually has to be depicted. I removed some entries that were done off screen, because they aren't actually gory death scenes. 2: It has to have actual gore. The minimum the dictionary definition of gore concedes is blood, but I'd be willing to extend it to where if a character had his skin melted but there was no blood, it would fit. Either way, if the death is Disney-clean, I removed it, so things like Star Wars (Except for the cleaving in two in the first prequel, since I think that's debatable) and Wizard of Oz were taken out. 3: The character should actually be living and/or humanoid. A robot getting sliced in two isn't a gory scene unless the director makes it out intentionally to be, like if the robot looked or acted human. 4: I actually had to have seen the scene to make any change whatsoever. It goes without saying, but yeah, if something obviously doesn't belong and I haven't seen the movie, it probably is still in. --Hawk405359 04:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death by Freezing

I think victims should at least have to shatter in order for freezing to be considered gory. - LeonWhite 22:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shrek

It says that Lord Farquaad is killed when he is eaten by the dragon. However, in the karaoke "ending", he is shown as being alive. So, how is this a "death"? And how is it gory? Duke Starhopper 18:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vader

Vader doesn't actually cut Obi Wan in half, Kenobi becomes one with the Force before the saber strikes him. I don't want to remove that entry without some other thoughts on the subject. GreatGatsby 20:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

This is a highly non-obvious contention, and is IMO, wrong. JoshuaZ 06:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Either way, it's not gory, so why include it here? - Baconpatroller 10:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Live and Let Die =

With all the gory deaths listed, I'm surprised no one has put Mr. Big's gory death in Live and Let Die...but what category does it fit? The death is caused when Bond sticks a helium bullet into Mr. Bigs Mouth, which inflates his head so he floats out of the water, and is followed by his head getting exploded as he reaches the top. Death by Explosion?

Miscelaneous I think. JoshuaZ 19:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death by gunfire...

Please let me know if this has been a controversy or seen discussion here in the past: I have a radical suggestion; I remember seeing a note on this article that said it was over the limit for space. Seems to be gone now. My suggestion is that the section on gunfire be drastically reduced. Since gunfire is such an extraordinarily common form of death in film, don't many entries seem unnecessary here? Many of the individual scenes listed in this subcategory aren't that unique. For instance, Collateral, where a lot of people get shot. Vague & well, it's just Vincent's preferred form of assassination. No big surprise. Or "The Devil's Rejects". A scene like White Boy Bob killing himself in Out of Sight is memorable, as is Marvin's death in Pulp Fiction. How about we have a notation informing folks that the death has to be memorable or unique, rather than just a fan's adding their favorite film? Tommyt 13:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, death by gunfire should be exceptional and specific in order to be on this list. For example, ""Star Wars" (all episodes), gunfire is one of the main weapons in this series", should not be included. George100 13:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Does this really have merit as an encyclopedia article?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.174.135.120 (talk • contribs) 17:45, June 12, 2006.

[edit] Doom?

What about the Doom movie? It's gory.

A guy slams his head into a window, spewing brains everywhere. One guy gets his head ripped off by a mutated human. Another guy falls down a shaft and is killed (It's not really gory, so I don't know about that one...). Another guy gets picked up by the face and slammed around a bathroom stall, just before part of him gets melted, or at least his attacker. Yet another guy gets pulled through venting, sliced into bits. Another guy gets blown to smithereens by a grenade. I can't tell you how many former-humans get killed by gunshots, one even blows up in front of the camera, and another ges mutilated with a chainsaw. One is melted, and one guy kinda dies, but he comes back to life as a superhuman.

If I spoiled the movie for you, well then it's not too much loss. It was bad, but I kinda liked it.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.107.79.133 (talk) 01:10, July 21, 2006

[edit] This article's purpose

I stayed quiet about my opinion on the dubious validity of this article. Given that "gory" is inherently subjective, and not verifiable, it seemed to me that this topic wasn't a good candidate for the Wikipedia. Some have remarked that it may prove a useful tool for researching death in film, and on that ground, I could tolerate it, but in light of the recent removal of the "non-gory" drowning section, I am again finding myself questioning what is the purpose of this article? By my reckoning, cartoon/CG deaths are not gory, as are any deaths that are only heard (implied) and not seen. This list currently has numerous such items, that I could go through and rv out, but it would almost certainly not agree with someone else's opinion, and would be rv'ed back. That's why verifiability is a prime tenet of Wikipedia, and why this article's only real valus would be as a compendium of ALL film deaths, not just what some think are gory ones. ---Jackel 15:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. If being beheaded is gory, for example, wikipedia is not a place to list films which show beheading. (refering to mention of Black Rain in the article.)--Anupamsr 22:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Quote: Given that "gory" is inherently subjective, and not verifiable...
"Gory" is no more subjective than other topics. Two examples: a. A man's head exploding in Scanners is gory. b. Yoda falling asleep in The Empire Strikes Back is not gory. Between those two extremes, there are going to be some debatable entries, but that's what the talk page is for.
Quote: This list currently has numerous such items, that I could go through and rv out, but it would almost certainly not agree with someone else's opinion, and would be rv'ed back
Disputes happen all the time on Wikipeida, once again that's what this page is for. Usually through discussions some consensus can be reached. --George100 09:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Rain?

Which film is this? Japanese or English? The link sends us to disambiguation page.--Anupamsr 22:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Move

List of films by gory death scene → List of films by death scene

Reasoning: Title is POV, anyone oppose?

†he Bread 03:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

How is it POV? - George100 07:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The fact that the entries are gory is open to interpretation

†he Bread 03:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"Gore" has a pretty clear definition. There is stuff on this page that isn't gory, in the past I've removed some entries. Obviously there will always be some debate over what to include, but that goes for pretty much any encyclopedia article. - George100 04:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
But "Gory" seems a bit out of place in an encyclopedia article, removing it completely would dispense for the need for entries that aren't gory to be removed, and the list could grow and become more thourgh, maybe you could call is "By Violent Death scene"
†he Bread 02:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
This article has already had a vote for deletion (see top of page) and survived. It's also a popular article, having seen significant traffic from major sites in the past few months.
I don't think an article on "gory" scenes is out of place at all. Graphic violence is a very powerful draw at the box office, which is an interesting topic in itself.
That said, it is an oddly narrowly defined topic. Maybe a second article should be started that would discuss a broader range of film violence. - George100 07:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh god no, I don't want it deleted, If I am anything I am a Keepist on Wikipedia, it is just that I feel there are better words to use rather than "Gory", but I am clearly in the minority and will drop it
†he Bread 20:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I strongly oppose the proposed move. Almost all movie deaths are violent - removing 'gory' would cause every single movie in which any person is shot to qualify. The list would become both useless and immensely unviable. Graphic movie violence is deliberately planned to be that way and usually readily identifiable, and while not perfect this article seems to be working well. Demanding no room for interpretation whatsoever is absurd. --Kizor 23:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I've already dropped it †he Bread 00:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
True, but I'm stupid. (And it might come up again.) --Kizor 09:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

HELL NO, for all of the reasons above. The definitions of "gore" are subjective enough...no need to broaden it even further by changing it to "violent death scene", because that is even worse for subjectivity.Toquinha 07:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miscellaneous/Other/Overkill

Anyone think this section has gotten way too ridiculous? Looks like someone's attempt to add too much description about the films. The rest of the list is fairly concise but this is much to much! The descriptions of The Fly & Slither in particular are overly bloated, pun not intended in light of the latter title I mentioned... Plus, a lot of the scenes incl are already on the list... Tommyt 17:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blendering

I'd like to suggest that we change "blendering" to "grinding". Blendering sounds too buzzwordy. Essentially, what's happening to the victims in this section is grinding... Tommyt 20:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fucked up

This list is fucked up and should be deleted. The very idea of making a "List of films by gory death scene" is retarded, this shit has no place in an encyclopedia. Itake 23:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It's already been nominated, and no consensus was reached, and if you hate it that much just do it yourself instead of bitching about it to us, read WP:CIVIL

I've got 1 suggestion for Itake: Don't read or visit the article anymore. Simple. Just ignore it. Also, if you want this list to disappear, then you'll have to lobby for the removal of all List articles. I've discovered loads of useful info from list articles, incl this one. Tommyt 22:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

†he Bread 02:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standards for Goryness Needs Definition

We seriously need to have a more specific criteria for determining films as "gory". While most people are fairly accurate at naming the films and scenes and methods in which characters are dispatched, many of the listed death scenes are hardly gory, nor show graphic detail (and this is not necesarily speaking from a desensitized eye). Here are my suggestions for qualification:

  • Scene must involve HUMANS (no robots, androids, aliens, computer programs, or monsters creatures)
  • Scenes must show death in graphic detail (innards, blood, parts falling off, etc.). Many of the films listed have deaths depicted in very quick detail, such as the guy getting shrunken down and stomped on by an alien in Mars Attacks (no bloody smear is shown afterwards)
  • Death must occur on-screen in FULL DETAIL. If shown in shadows or off-screen, it does not qualify (eg: curb stomping death in "American History X")
I was going to suggest that the title be changed to violent death scene but that may just cause the list to become larger, UGH. The Full Detail thing you mentioned may be getting too specific tho, I think the Am Hist X death is perfectly legit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tommyt (talk • contribs) 21:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
I would think that gore implies that you would see a lot more graphic detail. Given the fact that you don't see the victim's brains spilling out of his head and the actual stomping is seen from a distance (you don't actually see an extreme close-up of the guy's head being crushed, just the lead-up to it), I tend to disagree. Toquinha 22:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

What does everyone else think? Toquinha 14:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this aritcle does need occassional prunning. - SimonP 19:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
We do occasional pruning in Hammerspace and it works quite well, though naturally on a much smaller scale. --Kizor 21:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criteria Established

Okay, I went ahead and made the criteria a little more solidified and then went ahead and pruned a whole bunch of repeated entries, entries involving non-human characters, and clearly non-gory deaths that were just there to satisfy the sub-category, but occured off-screen and/or showed no graphic detail whatsoever. There still needs to be much more pruning to the list, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toquinha (talk • contribs) 04:40, December 17, 2006.

[edit] Photos?

Should there be select photos for the more well-known deaths placed in their proper categories? That would be interesting, but would probably turn many people off. Lemmy12 23:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, no way, the article is already too big & bloated. It needs mega-trimming anyway. If you want to see photos of these scenes there are plenty of ways to find them on the web. Tommyt 16:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gunfire

Any objections to this section being renamed "severe gunshot wounds" and purging for those that aren't of multiple shots or very bloody? --Spencer "The Belldog" Bermudez | (Complain here) 22:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

If it prevents entries that aren't fitting in with the category, then go right ahead. I tried to note standards for gore, but I dunno if they've stuck or not.Toquinha 10:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does this page need protection?

The vast majority of the edits on this article are from non-registered users and I'm getting a little tired of periodically trimming down the entries, most of which are hardly gory at all. What does everyone else think?Toquinha 06:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I put in the request for semi-protection as many of these entries are by non-registered users, at least one of whom has made repeated vandalism attempts on pages. Toquinha 19:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious Categories

Forcible fluid extraction, dessication, death by exposure to molten substances, and disintegration are hard to qualify as gory. While certainly disturbing, they don't have the same visual impact as someone getting dismembered with blood spraying in all directions...right? Toquinha 20:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's interesting that there are varied categories here that might not be considered "gory" in the strictest sense. All involve graphic death. I'm wary of defining the page's criteria too narrowly. --George100 20:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Night at the Museum

Night at the Museum does not belong on a list of gory death scenes, especially under exploding heads. Lemmy12 18:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shredder's Death

I was wondering if it's okay to add the death of Shredder in the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. I heard the new movie's gonna ignore the vents of the 2nd and 3rd movies so I was wondering if I could put that in. I know it's not graphic or anything but is it alright with everyone? MightyKombat 18:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by MightyKombat (talk • contribs) 16:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Forgot exactly how he died again, but it if's gory, there's no harm. Lemmy12 00:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

He was flipped over a rooftop rail by Splinter into a garbage truck. Casey Jones activates the trucks' compactor and crushes the hell out of him. It's not gory but then again half the deaths on here are relatively clean. MightyKombat 13:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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