Talk:List of fictional military organizations

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What about the Fairy Godmother Department from Glory Road? --Kanzure

Technically speaking starfleet is not a military organization but a space exploration agency of the federation. Their mandate is to explore strange new worlds, meet foreign aliens and boldly do this and that. There is no mention of doing anything like shooting up strange beings and playing soldier.

Should there be an attempt to seperate these groups out, based off whether they're a standing national army, guerilla group, special forces unit, private military, militia, or mercenary group? Also, should hierarchy play a role, since some organizations might be part of a larger organization?--YoungFreud 15:02, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Starfleet is a military organization. While they do explore new planets, one of their main objectives is to protect the Federation from enemies. (the Borg, Dominion, etc.) They shifted their philosophy after the Battle of Wolf 359, from ships designed to explore the galaxy to combat ready ships. Also, I moved MACO from armed forces to special forces. It seemed to me that they don't act like the US Army or Marine Corp, but more like commandos. They mostly were there for recon, special ops, and to protect the senior staff when they went on away missions.-B-101

I think we should put the armies from The Lord of the Rings. But, what will we call them?- B-101 16:48, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Feel free to. I added the Band of the Hawk mercenaries from the fantasy manga and anime Berserk, and I'll probably add more from the story. As long as there's a leader somewhere, and the guys are armed, then it fits into as a military organization here, I say. Just dig through the books or the films and find names to the armies.--YoungFreud 04:36, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

With the inclusion of a multitude of caste-bound fighting forces, I'm considering spawning off another section for culturally-based militaries, which numbers come from familial and tribal bonds, ritualistic initiations, and other traditions, and differ from the traditional forms of recruitment, such as volunteerism and conscription. Does anyone have any real objections to this?--YoungFreud 17:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have no objection in creating a new section for caste based militaries.

Should The Jem'hadar be placed in this new category? I not sure if it should considred a Armed Force or a Culturaly-based military. - 143.200.225.151

They probably would, as would the Covenant. I'm wondering if the Klingons would, given their martial background, although, since they were originally conceived as "Space Russians" or "Space Soviets", they might have a conscripted or volunteer military where military service is highly praised and avoiding it is societially looked down upon.--YoungFreud 04:43, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The Klingons seem to have military ranks, posistions, and ship heirarchies simlar to modern day armies. There have been at least one Klingon, Worf's son, who enlisted into the military. I supposed the Klingon Defense Force should be still considered a Armed Force.

I've noted this and have kept them in Armed Forces. I'm currently considering adding descriptions to the section titles, as it seems that the wikilinks in the titles are getting ignored. For example: I want to keep Special Forces down to military groups that behave autonomously of chain of command, such as commandos and troubleshooters (ex: Zeta Gundam's Titans, which are nomially part of the Earth Federation, but do not operate under aegis of the Earth Federal Forces), and not elite veteran fighting forces and Praetorian guards, which can be kept under their approriate heading (a good example of this is the Spartans of Halo, which are kept under UNSC under Armed Forces). Another one is seperating Guerrilla and Terrorist military organizations from Terrorist networks and the like (not sure how, probably by using the Maoist theory of guerrilla warfare and limiting it to the third phase (or second and third) of guerrilla war), as also with keeping Intelligence services out of Militia and Paramilitary. The main reason for this is to keep from duplicating too much from the List of fictional institutions.--YoungFreud 06:06, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree that we should avoid duplicating when possible. While the Tal Shair and Section 9 do have paramilitary aspects (Military hardware and officers), it is proably best not to include them on the list. Perhaps we could make a link to Fictional Instutuions instead? - 143.200.225.151

I'm having trouble if the Tokra from Stargate SG-1 should be considered a Rebellion, Culture based military,or even can be considered a military group? They seem like guerillas, but use covert means to achieve their goals.

CBDC is a real life U.S Army organization. You can find out about them on Google. Stop pulling crap out of your ass. kind of Anonymous execpt to Big Brother moderators.

What Webpage or source then? --Eldarone 03:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Support Grouops

This is interesting: What is a support group, and what defines one? Also, should this be considered a seprate grouping or not?

[edit] Recent additions to United Nations Space Command

Can anyone provide a source for the recent additions to United Nations Space Command? There just so many new units that it seems suspecious. --Eldarone 04:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've checked through the poster's history. It looks like he's been posting a lot of vanity entries and unsourced material. --YoungFreud 06:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Union Aerospace Corporation is not Military Organization.

To quote the Wikipedia page:

"The Union Aerospace Corporation (UAC) is a fictional military-industrial conglomerate, based in id Software's Doom universe." The List of Fictional Military Organizations refers only to Armed Forces, Rebels and terrorist military groups, Mercenaries, and Cultural fighting forces. This list does not include fictional Conglomerete. Now if UAC had a small privately own military force, then that could be oput on the list in it's approrate spot, listing the name of that force. The UAC itself is NOT a military organzation. It is a civilian company that just happens to also do military research. --Eldarone 00:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe this is true. In the backstory of the Doom games, the main character and the possessed Marines are government soldiers on loan to the UAC as site security or a rapid reaction force, much like the Colonial Marines in Aliens were on loan to Weyland-Yutani. I know that Doom III definitely makes the distinction that the Marine detail on Mars is separate from UAC, judging from the interchanges between the Sarge and the two UAC company men, Swann and Campbell. --YoungFreud 03:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
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