Talk:List of famous refugees

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This list is from a leaflet I have from the Refugee Council (and is therefore probably biased towards people who came to the UK).

I assume there is no copyright violation as I have rewritten the words, and presumably this is all public knowledge stuff. I still have the second half to do, but I need to go to sleep now! MyNameIsClare talk 21:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading article title

Hi MyNameIsClare, Thanks for starting this article. But I'm concerned that some people mentioned are the descendants of refugees, not refugees themselves, so the title of the article is misleading. - BanyanTree 13:07, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi BanyanTree. I did think about that, but I thought List of famous refugees and famous decendants of refugees would be a bit long. It could be moved if people think that would be better though. I have mentioned at the start of the article that they are all either refugees or children of refugees. MyNameIsClare talk 13:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that, but then some of the people are grandchildren of refugees. There needs to be some limit to how far back one can go or the list begins to become trivial; for example I assume that nearly every Jew has at least one ancestor who has been forced to flee a country. I'm not fussed enough to move the page, but the lead paragraph should be clear on what the parameters are.- BanyanTree 20:03, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Well my parameter was basically copying the names from this list I have. Perhaps we should take out the grandchildren? I definitely wouldn't go back any further than grandparents. MyNameIsClare talk 19:02, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

This list should be limited to people who are/were legally refugees or identified themselves as refugees.Yodakii 09:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, do Jesus and other historical figures fit in here? Yodakii 09:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't see why not MyNameIsClare talk 18:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The fact that many people don't see these as "historical figures" at all might be a reason why not wimbledon andy 10:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Good idea for a page, but it needs work. I agree with BanyanTree that this should list refugees and not descendants of refugees, unless the descendants don't have native citizenship status in their country of birth (not to complicate things too much). Also, would love to see the descriptions changed from saying "a refugee" or other obvious information, to include countries they came from and fled to, more consistently. I'm going to watch and upgrade this list. If you want to include children of refugees, I propose they be grouped into a list below the main list of refugees themselves. Also, temporary refugees who return to their country could have the dates of their refuge list. Also, it gets tricky when someone is an exile rather than a refugee, or a deposed political leader given asylum. In some countries, "asylee" and "refugee" are legally the same, in others different. Bruxism 04:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Another idea: Make a chart with columns for name, occupation/renown, country of origin, country of first refugee, country of eventual settlement, date of refuge (if temporary). A lot of work, but would be a more useful chart, I think. Bruxism 04:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reform?

This list should be limited to people who are/were legally refugees or identified themselves as refugees.Yodakii

I agree. In fact, I think there should be two more lists: List of naturalized refugees and List of naturalized decendents of refugees. By shifting the applicable refugees to the other two pages, this list could be reserved for (famous) individuals who were not given citizenship by their host nation. What do you all think? --(Mingus ah um 22:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC))

Should this page be moved to List of refugees, for everyone in the encyclopedia is technically famous. --(Mingus ah um 22:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC))

Although many people in the list aren't even "famous" by that definition; see the number of red links wimbledon andy 10:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problems?

Some of these are arguable. Thomas Mann wasn't in Germany when the Nazis came to power, but he decided not to return because he didn't like their policies. Also, the religion section isn't fantastically written (I'll have a look at it) for instance the Dalai Lama isn't a person it's a title. I'm still looking as to who on this list might not actually belong here; the Refugee Council could be regarded as a somewhat "POV" source. wimbledon andy 10:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC) Also my understanding of why Christopher Wreh left Liberia wasn't as a refugee, but because he'd been offered a sizeable payrise by AS Monaco wimbledon andy 10:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)