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[edit] Why does this list use the names that it does, instead of (fill in the blank)?

You're always welcome to recommend a change to the preferred breed name (for use here and as the primary article name for that breed). We recommend proposing the change here first, or it might just get changed back. This list was assembled by looking at the breed names used by all of the major English-language breed clubs (as listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds), or by doing web searches to try to identify a large majority of usage, or by discussions here about other logic that would make a particular name the most appropriate for Wikipedia's multicountry, multiculture audience, or various combinations of these methods.

You might find discussions about what breed names to use here, or in the Dog breeds project and its subpages, or in the talk page for the breed itself. Elf | Talk 04:40, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How are cross-references to alternative breed names listed?

Here's what I've been doing:

  • Primary breed name (as above): alphabetized and linked, e.g.:
    * [[Chart Polski]]
  • Secondary name that's very similar to original and in about the same place alphabetically--don't list. E.g.:
    * [[Foobar Shepherd]] (don't list Foobar Sheepdog at all)
  • Secondary name that's in about the same place alphabetically but is notably different--include next to primary name in parens with no link. E.g.:
    * [[Bernese Mountain Dog]] (Berner Sennenhund)
  • Secondary name that's very different: Place in alpha order without linking and add xref to primary name. E.g.:
    * Polish Greyhound - see [[Chart Polski]]
    * Bouvier Bernois - see [[Bernese Mountain Dog]]

Elf | Talk 21:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archives of earlier discussions

  • Talk:List of dog breeds/archive 1
    • name choices - initial decisions
    • listing alternative names - format?
    • genealogical tree of dog breeds
    • adding new breeds
    • "purebred"/"mixed breed"
    • photo problems
    • Siberian Husky done
    • registry choices
    • Jack Russell - four types
  • Talk:List of dog breeds/archive 2
    • names: Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog/Otto, Canadian Eskimo Dog/Canadian Inuit Dog
    • CKC list of breeds e-mail available from sannse
    • capitalization of dog breed names - Always capitalize in articles
    • disambig Barbet
    • names: Balkan Hound/Serbian Hound
    • unidentified photos
    • list alternative names? (Yes)
    • names: Epagnuel Picard/Picardy Spaniel
    • names: Shorthaired/Short-haired - choose as for name variations
    • names: Yugoslavian * Hound/Serbian * Hound
    • names: * Fox Terrier/Fox Terrier (*), * Corgi/Corgi (*) (but see also later discussion), Dachshund - leave as is for now
    • Kennel club Group articles
    • Photos of breeds w/out articles - moved
  • Talk:List of dog breeds/archive 3
    • Newbie questions: Adding breed infobox, whether to include UKC registry, what is a breed, what to include in References, use of photos, who fixes errors
    • Crossbreeds vs newly developed breeds
    • English Toy Terrier vs Toy Manchester Terrier (2 separate breeds)
    • Category for Working dog
    • Naming for Corgis (e.g., Pembroke Welsh Corgi vs Welsh Corgi (Pembroke) *), Alaskan husky (capitalized or not*; breed* or just type), Italian Spinone, Osterreichischer Kurzhaariger Pinscher or Austrian Pinscher*, clarifying Tornjaks and Croatian Shepherds, Viszla (only one article for diff hair types)
    • Request to review pit bull article
    • Notice about adding photos requests to Wikipedia:Requested_pictures#Dog_breeds


[edit] Photo questions

  1. Can someone identify the breed in this photo? American Bulldog, perhaps?
  2. Does anyone know anything about the breed Kintamani, which is how this photo was identified?

Elf | Talk

  1. I think so; I'm not a bulldog person though
  2. Never heard of it, but going on looks alone, I want one! Swamped now, but if no response after this week I'll do a search if you remind me.
Quill 23:51, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  1. Could be an American Bulldog, but it might be a Boxer or Boxer mix.... it's not quite girthy enough to fix the usual AB standards....
  2. Couldn't find much info on them. A few pages found through google (very few), mostly personal pages and the like... seems to be a native dog in Bali. [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 03:02, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Got email back from the original photographer who says it's a Boxer. Hm. I knew a woman who had what I thinkn she called an American Bull Terrier that looked a lot like this dog, but I'm lost in the morass of bulls and terriers and americans... But now that I look again, no, it doesn't look like that at all. Could be a boxer. Maybe I'll ask my boxer friends. Elf | Talk 05:09, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The articles "Dog breed" and "List of dog breeds" need foreign links

Just wanted to drop a note that the article "Dog breed" does not have any link to another language until now. In German there is a REDIRECT from "Liste_der_Hunderassen" to "Hunderasse". I can not follow exactly where the other languages are supposed to point. Regards Gangleri 02:08, 2004 Sep 23 (UTC)

Wish I spoke any other languages well enough to figure these out. Thanks for mentioning it; perhaps someone will be able to track them down. Elf | Talk 02:26, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I added a link to the spanish list of dog breeds. The french dog and cat pages only have a short list of breeds on them, with almost no articles... those are the only languages i even know the words for dog or cat in... [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 13:47, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Norrbottenspets

Another interesting spelling case. This is what our original researcher indicated was the most common name from English-language sources. I have found the following using Google searches of English-language sites:

  • Norrbottenspets (1660 pgs) (FCI spells it this way on its main page--but see below-- Oh, look CKC[1] spells it like this, too)
  • Nordic Spitz (2270 pages)
  • Norbottenspets (notice only one R) (2250 pages) (spelled this way in my main reference dog encycopedia and by the UKC, the only kennel club other than FCI to recognize the breed)
  • Norrbottenspitz (56 pages) (FCI spells it this way in its published breed standard, linked to by EN on this page [2])
  • Norbottenspitz (287 pages)
  • Norrbotten Spitz (38 pages)
  • Norbotten Spitz (18 pages)

There are norrbottenspets.org and norrbottenspets.net (both kennels) but none for norbottenspets, norrbottenspitz, norbottenspitz, or nordicspitz.

Elf | Talk 02:13, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I only looked at the most common name via Google if there was an even split between the breed associations or if just the FCI recognised the breed (in which case it is often unclear whether the native name or the English language name is most often used in English). I used the name most often used by the breed associations as first choice. In this case I would have chosen the name used by the CKC, especially as that was confirmed by the FCI (although I didn't notice the discrepancy in the standard - well spotted there!). I didn't look at the UKC at the time, which confuses the issue somewhat.
My inclination is to stick with the Canadian/FCI (main page) version as the main title, include the other versions in the table or article text, and ensure all the redirects are in place. What do you think? -- sannse (talk) 10:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I agree. Elf | Talk 15:45, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Landseer (Continental-European type)/Newfoundland

The FCI considers the Landseer (Continental-European type) a different breed from the black and white Newfoundland. this is discussed a little at Newfoundland (dog) but is probably one of those cases where we will eventually need an article at Landseer (Continental-European type) describing the issue in more detail. I've set up the links to reflect this. Does it look like the best format? -- sannse (talk) 18:40, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm, it's not "full" correct; in standard FCI is black and white newfoundland and people say: it's newf in landseer's "couleur", but is really newfoundland; and is also white and black dog - have another standard in FCI - landseer ect... Gr. --Andrzej z Helu 19:15, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think that Landseer (dog) should be sufficient. I checked the FCI breed standards after reading preceding; indeed, it recognizes a black & white Newfie:
COLOUR : Black, white and black, and brown. ... White and black : This variety is of historical significance for the breed. The preferred pattern of markings is black head with, preferably, a white blaze extending onto the muzzle, black saddle with even markings and black croup and upper tail. The remaining parts are to be white and can show a minimum of ticking.
and a separate Landseer:
The Landseer should convey the impression of a tall, powerful and well balanced dog. The legs are comparatively longer than those of the black Newfoundland. ... COLOUR : Main colour of coat is a clear white with distinct black patches on body and croup. Collar, forechest, belly, legs and tail must be white. Head black, with white muzzle and white symmetrical blaze - neither too narrow, nor too wide - extending from muzzle over head to the white collar, being considered a definite breeding goal. Ticking still occuring in the white not to be penalized, but should be bred away.
The New Encylopedia of the Dog sheds a little light by saying: "Before the Newfoundland's breed std was written, it sometimes occurred in black & white...In the 1930s a group of breeders attempted to recreate that look. Their efforts eventually resulted in the Landseer."
And The Simon & Schuster Guide to Dogs adds "In the 1920s, the breed nearly disappeared, but German dog lovers 'reconstructed' it by crossing St. Bernards and Great Pyrenees." So it's not in fact the same breed. Huh. Interesting. Elf | Talk 19:44, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I moved this; just found this discussion checking the 'what links here'. Quill 10:11, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] from other Wikipedias

[edit] Griffon Bruxellois and Belgian Griffon

On Affenpinscher Elf raised the issue of the discrepancy between Griffon Bruxellois and Belgian Griffon.

'Belgian Griffon/Griffon Belge : only recognised by the FCI

Google:

  • 3,140 English pages for "Belgian Griffon"
  • 491 English pages for "Griffon Belge"

Griffon Bruxellois/Brussels Griffon:

  • AKC: Brussels Griffon
  • ANKC:Griffon Bruxellois
  • CKC: Griffon (Brussels)
  • KC(UK): Griffon Bruxellios
  • NZKC: Griffon Bruxellois

Google (although we would usually go on the above anyway):

  • 39,600 English pages for "Brussels Griffon"
  • 3,300 English pages for "Griffon Bruxellois"

Which is quite a discrepancy - but I still think we are doing the right thing in using the name used by three out of the five above KCs. this is a case where we will have to be very sure to get redirects set up though -- sannse (talk) 18:20, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone recognize this breed?

Image:Berry & brandy.jpg -- A new user has uploaded an image for his personal photo album. The album was deleted, but maybe we can use the dog picture. Since you're the local dog-expert, do you recognize/can use the dog in Image:Berry & brandy.jpg? Currently it is listed on Wikipedia:Images for deletion. Thanks -- Chris 73 Talk 04:19, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC) (Reposted by Elf | Talk 15:56, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) from my talk page.)

(shrugging) Long-haired GSD cross or Shiloh Shepherd cross? Quill 07:49, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Errors on FCI page

[edit] Romanian Shepherd Dogs

(My, WP is sloooowwww this morning.) Someone just added 3 Romanian Shepherd Dogs to the list. Another set to decide what names to use. :-) They're legit breeds; according to this Tripod site they're about to be recognized by the FCI. But they have a bunch of possible names; see this site on Molosser-and-related breeds. The first site indicates that the 3 should be Mioritic (old name Barac), Carpatin (old name Zãvod), and Ciobănesc de Bucovina, not simply Bucovina (dog). Since they're rare breeds, guess we'll have to figure out which name to use--

  • For Bucovina: BUKOVINA SHEPHERD (Ciobanesc Romanesc de Bucovina, Ciobanesc de Bucovina, Romanian Bukovina Sheepdog, Bukovina Wolfdog, Bukovinac, Bucovina Sheepdog)
NOTE: Bukovina (and redir from Bucovina) is a place name, so it looks like Ciobănesc de Bucovina would be the better name to use for the dog link. (Other choice would be Bucovina (dog), which we can do also & put as a redirect, I suppose.)
  • For Carpatin: CARPATHIAN SHEPHERD DOG (Ciobanesc Romanesc Carpatin, Romanian Carpathian Shepherd, Caine Ciobanesc Carpatian, Carpathian Sheepdog, Carpatin, Romanian Carpatin Herder, Rumanian Carpatin)
  • For Mioritic: MIORITIC SHEEPDOG (Ciobanesc Romanesc de Mioritic, Romanian Mioritic Sheepdog, Mocano, Barac, Rumanian Barak)

Looks like it might also be worth having a page on Romanian shepherd dogs, although the Tripod site calls them Romanian sheep dogs. Thoughts? Also should have a page for Molossus (dog). (Hmm, not in the books I'm currently looking at but I know I've encountered that category of breeds many times before.) Elf | Talk 19:09, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New AKC FSS dogs

The Estrela Mountain Dog (Working group designation) and the Portuguese Podengo (Hound group designation) have also just been accepted into the AKC's FSS category. Elf | Talk 01:05, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Feedback wanted on Akita

Please review my proposed renames & moves on Talk:Akita Inu. Thanks. Elf | Talk 22:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of breed names

See discussion & closed vote at Talk:Airedale_Terrier#Move_requested:_Capitalization_of_dog_breed_names. Elf | Talk 01:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polish Ogar/Hound

Per FCI: Ogar Polski - FCI Standard No. 052 (Brachet polonais, Polnische Bracke, Polish Hound, Sabueso Polaco); list earlier researched indicated that Polish Hound would be the most commonly used English name. Elf | Talk 23:38, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Guinea Singing Dog

Tekana removed "new guinea singing dog" from list "as it is a wild member of the canidae family and not a domesticated pet".

According to Wikipedia the New Guinea Singing Dog can be (and is, I thought) kept as a pet. It is recognized as a breed by United Kennel Club (since 1996). So it looks as if it should be reinstated. Flapdragon 20:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I removed it from the list as i felt it should not be there, of course you will find some people who feel the need to take a wild animal and domesticate it, people do (illegally) keep wolves and other wild creatures as pets, would that class the entire species as a domesticated animal?
These are my views; and of course I may be wrong! If anyone else were to share your views i would gladly return it to the list. thank you Tekana | Talk 09:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Guinea Singing Dog, Carolina Dog, and others

I've actually been trying to sort these out for a while, and it's not easy.

Bruce Fogle's The New Encyclopedia of the Dog (2000), which I've found to be a valuable breed references, lists a group of what he calls "Primitive dogs" or pariah dogs, which includes, among others:

  • Canaan Dog
  • Podenco Canario
  • Basenji
  • Xoloitzcuintli (Mexican Hairless)
  • Carolina Dog
  • Dingo
  • New Guinea Singing Dog

Most notable are the last 3. He mentions that all of these were kept at times as pets, guard dogs, etc. by indigenous populations. He also notes that the Dingo alone among these has some clear physical and genetic traits that might distinguish it from the domestic dog. It appears that Dingos and true purebred New Guinea dogs are most likely to be found (but not exclusively) in zoos now, which seems to be a distinguishing factor from other domestic dogs, but that's not true for the Carolina dog, which many seem to view as simply a long-time feral domestic dog.

The Encyclopedia of Dog Breeds by J. Cunliffe (UK, 1999) includes the NG Singing Dog as an "exotic" dog breed, but it doesn't include the Carolina Dog or the Dingo in its lists; it includes the latter among wild dogs like wolves and coyotes; it mentions "pariah dogs which scatter the world" as not belonging to any other category in the book but worth mentioning--but doesn't specifically list any breeds or groups of pariah dogs.

And, as mentioned above, UKC, which isn't entirely unreliable, includes NGSG as a regular breed of dog. SO--I believe that NGSD needs to be readded to the list.

Which brings me to the next question--Carolina Dog. Someone added "California-Carolina Dog (aka American Dingo)" to the list of dog breeds by country, and I'm wondering whether it should be there and/or here. On a web search, it looks like it's a single breeder that is developing this line from one Carolina Dog puppy and (some other) dogs. I'm on the fence about Carolina Dog and even more about Cal-Car Dog. Thoughts? (If you made it thru all that background...) Elf | Talk 22:07, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I dont agree with putting any of the above three on "the list". As I have mentioned, I dont believe how a few unscrupulous people ripping wild pups from their wild mothers and then classing it as a "pet" or "exotic breed of dog" is right, moral or even a true domestic dog. That just happens to be one pup that some person has reared and has made half domesticated. A wild animal is a wild animal, and as such will never be fully domesticated, no matter how they are reared or who with! I just fail to see how a few animals that have been forced to live along people can class the entire species as a domestic animal.
People keep tigers, would that class all tigers as domesticated creatures? Will we soon be seeing "Siberian Tiger" on the list of cat breeds? I somehow dont think so! Yet, what is the real difference between having Tigers in the cat breeds and wild dogs such as Dingoes and Coyotes on the dog list? There isnt any!
Of course, these are my views, and I do feel strongly about them, and I really dont want to have to see these "breeds" on the list. But for the sake of NPOV, I think the least that should be done is that if these animals were returned to the list, they should have a seperate article to their wild counterparts! Tekana (O.o) Talk 09:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


The difference between tigers, coyotes, and the NGSG is that neither of the former have ever been domesticated in any way, while the NGSG most certain has been and has lived with humans for a good part of its history, apparently; in addition, it's been recognized by UKC at least and is listed in multiple dog-breed books as a breed, not separately as wolf & coyote & dingo usually are. In other words, mainstream dog world appears to accept that NGSD is a breed of domestic dog. Elf | Talk 16:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

But listing with registries means practically nothing! The Dingo has a standard in the ANKC [3] yet it is illegal to "exhibit, breed or own" the dingo is most parts of austalia. Therefore, although it does have a breed standard, it is still recognised as a wild or feral dog and not a domestic one!

Shows what walking around upsidedown all the time does to the collective consciousness' mind! ;-) Elf | Talk 19:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

LOL. Well, i have said my views, you have said yours, we need an answer to our arguement discussion ( ;-) ) so that things can be done. Can I just request that if they are returned to the list they have seperate articles to the wild counterparts, and preferably with a section on the fact that these are wild dogs and only a few of which have been domesticated (to a degree of domestication), they are not breeds that have been selectively bred by humans! Tekana (O.o) Talk 20:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I sort of agree with that. (See how easy I am, really?) I think you're suggesting that there be 2 articles each, which I don't think is necessary. We can probably just deal with that by having a separate section in the list for, um, I dunno, "semidomesticated dogs" or "feral dog breeds" or something. Elf | Talk 22:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thats great. I agree with that completely Tekana (O.o) Talk 14:45, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Tekana's comment about the Siberian tiger is a red-herring. The fact that a tiger has been kept in captivity does not alter its taxonomy as a specie separate from domestic cats. No one seriously claims that a tiger is a domestic animal. The comparison of NGSD to Siberian tigers is distracting, not enlightening. According to the most prevalent taxonomic discourse of the last 10 years, aided by DNA research (not merely someone's description of observable similarities or differences) New Guinea Singing Dogs are members of the same specie as domestic dogs. For that reason they have fallen into disinterest among zoos who exhibit and breed "wild" species. Zoos keep breeding records enhancing the survival of rare species. Domestic dogs, dingoes, and wolves are the same specie (coyotes are a separate specie). People wishing to preserve the NGSD as a unique life form "lost the toss" of DNA-based taxonomy. If NGSD are the same specie as domestic dogs then they are not protected by endangered species laws, species survival plans, captive breeding programs of zoos, etc. Being in the Canus lupus specie, NGSD could rightfully be described as a sub specie (or in the terminology of dog registries - a breed). Breed registries also keep breeding records to ensure the survival and improvement of each breed. Certainly there are people who are still arguing that NGSD’s are a different specie. But for now (and probably in the future) they have been thrown out of the endangered species game. NGSD’s only hope for survival is as a breed of dog. And since more than one dog breed registry lists NGSD, then they are in fact a breed. There are several breeds of dogs considered to be primitive, meaning they came into being a long time ago. Examples are Siberian Husky, Saluki, Pharaoh Hound, and Basenji. These breeds were documented in their current form thousands of years ago. Most breeds are the creation of the last few centuries. There are also several breeds that are called "pariah dogs", meaning that they live on the edge of human civilization. These dogs can live as pets or as feral dogs. Examples are Dingo, Canaan Dog, Carolina Dog, Thai Ridgeback, and New Guinea Singing Dog. (Pariah dogs are considered by many to be in the same group as primitive dogs.) Natives of New Guinea were keeping these dogs for guards and hunting before modern zoologists arrived to incorrectly classify them as a separate canine specie. Now that we know they are the same specie, and we know that they are kept as pets by people, is see no reason not to agree with the United Kennel Club and the Continental Kennel Club and treat them as a dog breed. To say that they are a specie of wild animals is to disregard zoology, microbiology and taxonomy that use the concept of specie. To say that they are not a breed of dog is to disregard the dog registries who invented the concept of a breed. rbg

I think I agree with this and that the place to point out that they're possibly lacking in certain niceties of domestication that go with more "advanced" (vs. primitive) dog breeds is in the individual articles. That's not to say that we couldn't also come up with a list in pariah dog of these, as well, as the equivalent of a breed group. Elf | Talk 02:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hybrids and mixed breeds

There seems to be a lot of hybrids popping up in the list of dog breeds recently, and i can imagine that some people may be experiencing diffeculties actually telling if some of the dogs on the list are hybrids or pure bred.

Would it be a good idea to seperate hybrids from purebreds? either having them in a different section on the bottom of the page or creating a List of Dog Hybrids page?

Just to look at the amount of hybrids ther are out there ([4] is one list) we may soon be overrun by hybrids so im thinking it would be easier to make the split sooner rather than later! Tekana (O.o) Talk 12:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vote on Mexican Hairless article name

Your input requested on vote on whether to rename the M.H. article and, if so, what. Talk:Mexican Hairless. Elf | Talk 17:45, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alp Mastiff/Cane Garouf

Per original discussions on choosing dog names when there are alternatives, I'm going on Google hits because it's very rare and not recognized by any major kennel club. Alp Mastiff gets 152, Cane Garouf 71, Patua 24, and Italian Alpine Mountain Dog 21. Elf | Talk 18:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bucciriscu Calabrese

It's not clar that this is a distinct breed. There are fewer than half a dozen hits on the web. Even Molossus.com says "The Bucciriscu has a rounder head and a wider muzzle than the common Cane Corso. The size and weight is similar of the Cane Corso; males 64-68 cm. (25-27 in) and 45-50 kg. (99-110 lbs). Some consider the Bucciriscu identical with the Vucciriscu of Sicily, but it is clear that it is closer to the Cane Corso. The present situation of the Bucciriscu Calabrese is unknown for Molosserworld at this time." I hesitate to list it as a separate breed, although it was added to the Mastiff list. Elf | Talk 19:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Dog breeds ??

  1. How many dog breeds are there in the world ?
  2. How many dog breeds are listed at wikipedia ?
  3. How many dog breeds are left to add to wikipedia ?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SirIsaacBrock (talk • contribs) .

I already responded to this where you originally asked it, on my talk page. Elf | Talk 20:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I have re-read you User Talk page and have a better idea now. I believe that our list has breeds that are not on that compiled list, such as, Old English Bulldog and others, particularly the extinct breeds. Thanks SirIsaacBrock 01:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds; it's a well-established project with a lot of activity and several experienced users active or semiactive. Currently we're converting all of the breed info tables to an easier-to-read (we hope) and more consistent format. You can read the project page and its discussion page and its subpages (particularly the To-Do list subpage) and their discussion pages, and also probably Talk:List of dog breeds, and you'll start to get an idea of what's going on and what has gone on over the last 3 or 4 years.
According to Category:Dog breeds, we have 322 dog breed articles so far (although a lot are pretty sparse, as indicated in the To-Do list, or even stubs--see Category:Dog stubs). The List of dog breeds article lists about 160 more than that. Our source spreadsheet at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed source list lists 518 breeds; there's a very large overlap with what we've already got but not complete. So I'd guess there are well over 600 breeds of dogs in the world.
You can also start looking at Category:Dogs--all of the pages that you can get to from there and its subcategories are loosely associated with and often monitored by people in the dog breeds project. You can get an idea of the level of activity and who's doing what by going to any of those category pages and clicking the "Related changes" link on the left of your page; this shows all edits by anyone on any of the articles in that category within a certain amount of time.
Good luck. Have fun. Ask if you have questions. Elf | Talk 22:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I also just found the book Dogs: The Ultimate Dictionary of over 1,000 Breeds (ISBN 1570762198) by Desmond Morris--so now it looks as if there are "over 1,000" breeds of dogs in the world! I'm going to have to get a copy of the book, although apparently it's out of print so you have to find it used (and its illustrations are black & white rather than color). Elf | Talk 17:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manageability of list

A great list with links to a lot of important information. But, as with all large lists, it could be improved by more thought being taken to organisation.

As the content of individual articles is often similar, it would make sense to include a table indexing properties such as temperment, size, colouring, special characteristics etc. In this way, a reader who was not already familiar with a given breed would have a resource with which to, eg, identify a set of large, affectionate, low maintenance breeds, which could then form the basis for more detailed investigation of individual breeds, should he interested in purchasing a dog with these characteristics.

Maybe someone who knows more about dogs than I do could start the project?

--Philopedia 00:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

We had a big discussion about this a few months back and decided not to do it. I just tried to find the discussion--dog breed project pages are everywhere--and couldn't find it yet, and now I have to go to dinner. I'll look again later. I keep thinking about the whole thing, though. When I find the original discussions, we can start talking again from there. Elf | Talk 02:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
OK, I lied, we didn't decide not to do it, I think we decided TO do it but someone needed to finalize the template. Soooooo...now that I've had Trysha's excellent template example to follow, I've implemented a new, hopefully almost final, test case here. So please, everyone, go take a look at the very end of that discussion & give opinions. Elf | Talk 06:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Hunting Dogs

Reincarnation

Video

Can you summarize the issue and whether something should be done about it, for those of us who can't or won't download the video? Thanks. Elf | Talk 00:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Be brave & click -:) SirIsaacBrock 02:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Could you please summarize the point of this video in text? Thanks. Elf | Talk 18:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Did u watch the video ? If so, no need to summarize it. SirIsaacBrock 21:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I didn't and I'm not going to. If it doesn't apply to this article, then it doesn't need to be listed here. Elf | Talk 23:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Hunting Dogs are an extinct breed of dog, I cannot find them listed in any of my numerous dog books or even on Google searches. The video is a BBC news story I saw on TV that discusses the breed and one man 's attempt to reincarnate them. A very good video... SirIsaacBrock 23:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

It does sound interesting. What do you think--is this one reference good enough to create a legitimate article on the breed? If I get a chance (probably next week) I'll go through the indexes and history sections of my dog-book collection and see whether I see anything, too. Elf | Talk 23:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I think we need more written information to make the article meaningful, it is possible the BBC is not using the correct name for the dog breed. It might only be known by it's Chinese name; however, I do not know what that correct name and spelling is, so my Google searches get no hits. SirIsaacBrock 03:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I knew that getting into extinct breeds would be challenging to say the least. But I just dipped through a couple of sections in one book, and already found a couple dozen recently extinct breeds, including Braque Blege, Braque Dupuy, Levesque, Chambray, Harlequin Pinscher, Sheep Poodle, Tahl Tan Bear Dog, Liberian Dog, East African Dog, Bagirmi Dog, Bantu Dog, Zulu Dog, Bush Dog, Kabyle, Douar Dog, Baganda Dog, Kentucky Shell Heap Dog, Basketmaker Dog... but no Chinese dogs so far. Oh, well, back to real work again... Elf | Talk 04:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Chinese Hunting Dog cane handle:[5]
  • "Long considered extinct..." the Chinese Foo Dog, or Sacred Dog of Sinkiang, also known as the Chinese Choo Hunting Dog, Chinese Temple Forest Dog, Chinese T'ien Kou (Chinese Celestial Dog), or Chinese Lung- Kou (Chinese Dragon Dog): [6] (This same text or very similar exists on dozens of sites so they're all apparently from the same original source, whatever that might be)
Elf | Talk 15:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


Yes, I saw these webpages before, the dog in the BBC story is a Hound. I think these dogs are a different type. SirIsaacBrock 17:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] which is the biggest dog type?

Well?

Pece Kocovski 07:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Irish Wolfhound (Tallest) and English Mastiff (Heaviest and Longest) Article SirIsaacBrock 11:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meet The World's Smallest Police Dog

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[edit] Finding a dog breed

Does anybody know how or where to find out a specific breed of dog? I know what the dogs look like but I'm not sure how to find out what they are.ONEder Boy 23:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

For me, getting my hands on a good dog-breed encyclopedia with tons of color photos that I can leaf through quickly is the easist way to find a breed. Try the library. If you have photos, you could try posting one here and seeing whether anyone recognizes it. Elf | Talk 01:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sight hound breeds missing from this list

There are a bunch of breeds listed in sight hound that aren't on this list that need to be researched for validity & most-common english-document usage. Elf | Talk 01:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Propose rename of "Australian Kelpie" to "Kelpie_(dog)"

In brief, there are no other Kelpies except the Celtic water-spirit, so the term "Australian" is a tautology. Most Australians who look for the article will first (as I did) look under "K", then wonder why such an important dog has no Wikipedia entry.

Basically, the ANKC represents only show Kelpies, which by definition are not Kelpies -- the argument is that Kelpies (as represented by the WKC) were bred as working dogs where conformation was, is and never will be important, and the name has never included the word "Australian". I should mention that the WKC (the primary authority on the breed) does not use the adjective "Australian" anywhere. The term "Australian Kelpie" is of UK origin, back when Australia was a British colony, and crept into the FIC from England. Further, looking at the "Maltese_(dog)" naming convention, there are only two uses of the word Kelpie, the other being a malevolent Celtic water spirit. Taking things to their illogical extreme, one might insist that the Poodle be renamed "French Poodle", or the Shi-Tzu to "Chinese Shi-Tzu"... Gordon | Talk, 22 June 2006 @07:30 UTC

(partial) COPIED FROM my Talk page on 2 July 2006 @05:42 UTC Gordon
But comparing "Australian Kelpie" to "French Poodle" isn't useful--there's no breed club or kennel club anywhere that I know of that uses the official name "French Poodle." And comparing it to "Maltese (dog)" doesn't work, either, because there *is* no other designation among kennel clubs for Maltese--it's just Maltese--so there's no other name to call it by. However, since the major kennel clubs all DO call it "Australian Kelpie", it seems like a useful and reasonable way to title the article. SOOOOO then we can proceed into your argument which feeds into a much larger ongoing argument about whether the major kennel clubs are worth their weight in spit (ask me about my opinion of the AKC someday and get an earful--ok, no, you better not--) and whether it's reasonable in wikipedia to downplay the role of all other kennel clubs or similar organizations. THAT I don't have a great answer for either way. We've debated it off & on over & over. But IMHO as long as we have a widely accepted name for the breed, we might as well use it--if indeed the Plain Kelpie is considered to be a different breed by working-line clubs, then maybe there should be an additional page titled Kelpie (dog) for that breed, but then one wonders whether the info about history and appearance and temperament and all that will end up being 95% identical on both pages. So...I'd vote for leaving it as Australian Kelpie. You can copy my comments there if you want or let me know where it is and I'll do it next time I'm on, which probably won't be a while because in 10 minutes I'm leaving town again. I hope I don't sound curmudgeonly. I don't claim that resolving the dichotomies among working & show lines of ANY breed is easy. Elf | Talk 19:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I have made a proposal to alter the infobox template Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dog_breeds/Templates to address the kennel club/breed standard question -- it's hidden in the "Dog Registries" section, about halfway down. I have sub-sectioned it there so people can notice it -- there didn't seem to be any other good place. If people have a better place to put it -- the bin doesn't count |:-[ --feel free to move it. Gordon | Talk, 2 July 2006 @06:00 UTC

[edit] Koolie/Coolie

Why are there two different articles on the same breed? They have the Koolie also listed under Coolie Dogs. Is there some difference between the two? I don't think so. Vortex 15:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better Name Categorisation of List

It seems that someone should change the name of some dogs before commencing articles. For example, a Maltese Terrier, and a Maltese Terrier X are completely different. Because of examples like these, does any one think it is wise to put hybrids and cross-breeds with "X" at the end of their name. Another example is Maltese Shitzu, it should be Maltese Shitzu X. Note: "X" refers to cross.

This is not needed as there should not be any articles that are like you describe. The only crossbreed articles that exist are the especially notable ones. A Maltese is a commonly recognized breed. A Maltese (dog) mixed with some sort of other Terrier is nearly impossible to define, not notable, should not have an article. - Trysha (talk) 06:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch Smoushond

Would anyone like to create a Dutch Smoushond article? I couldn't find much variable information unfortunately, but if anyone knows of a good source, please advise :) Siyavash 20:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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