Talk:List of demons
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Is there really a demon of folklore named Leonard?
Any context to this list? What source/culture/fiction does this list apply to?
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- Seems to be "all of them": I've seen demons from ebraic culture (such as Lilith, if I recall correctly), greek (kerberus), european (succubi and incubi), mesopothamic (Pazuzu) as well as fiction (jubilex, from chtulu mythos); and this is just a first glance. Also I'm not so sure if they're all demons, or some of them could be considered a god or something like that by some.
- Maybe the list could become useful anyway if some reference was given to the source/culture/fiction of each demon, since some occultist seem to consider all of them together somehow. Valhalla 11:08 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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The list does not specify religions or mythologies, but I'm according to Valhalla in some concepts. Fictional demons have nothing to do with specific demons. Some gods were removed from this page, like Balor, Lugh, and others, but the Asuras were placed there again. Besides, somebody listed some demons with every different spelling he/she found, so there are lots of them repeated once and again. Besides, some demons like Bifrons, Seir, Vine, Tannin and Wall (? maybe a misspelling for Vual) were linked to other definitions concerning different things, and they were changed into "Vine (demon)", as an example, because it is ridiculous that some one clicks on Vine and finds a plant instead of a demon. Many of the articles on the demons give references to the books or authors that mentioned them. The Warlock 07:44 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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- I had forgotten to say that many of those demons were taken from The Lesser Key of Solomon and Pseudomonarchia Infernalis.The Warlock 10:37 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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- That's useful information, thank you! Could you please add this source info to the individual demon articles, please? That would really help the NPOV policy, in which controversial information is attributed to who makes the statement or has the belief. It would be useful to know who believes in these demons, whether different sects/sources believe the same things, etc. 217.158.106.44 10:41 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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Maybe the page would make more sense if there were also other names of the said demons (maybe only the (or a) main one with a link, and the other without, unless an article already exists for both names), as well as a short note of context.
I'll try and add such notes for the few ones I know, but I'm afraid that some ones will have to make most of the work. If at the end it is decided that they aren't needed feel free to remove them.
Also, I don't think that fictionary demons should be removed, only properly contextualized. Valhalla 20:52 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Until what I could, the page is contextualised. If more information is available, more contextualisation will be added. The Warlock 10:27, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I removed Juiblex because it was the only fictional demon listed; if someone wants to create a list of fictional demons - that is, demons that have not been historically believed to be real - they can include him there instead of here. -Sean 02:15, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Why is Allah on this tlist as it is a synonym for God? -Macarro
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[edit] Blanco
Of course there is not a demon called Blanco; that is my name (I'm sure you could have figured the title out for yourself) but, anyway, I am typing to everyone who has a fascination with demons or the supernatural. I love all of the telekinetic and ESP stuff but I feel that there are demons after me for whatever reason they are after me. I haven't seen so many demon(s) as I have one. It's the one that has me in its arms practically. My spiritual advisor thinks its the fact that I study VooDoo and Santeria and cast spells upon people. There are many spells I have cast that I didn't know what they were and since then I have been unable to sleep; insomnia type deal. I have had several spieitual attacks by a demon or demons. They said that they just want to take me somewhere. My spiritual advisor suggested a Quiji Board. So I bought one and asked it...what is the matter with me. It gave me a response (DAMNATION). I'm really actually quite freaked out at the moment. If you would be so kind...anyone...contact me at monstermike@ev1.net and possibly give me a few suggestions and whatever.
About a year ago...the same word came to me as a few friends put me under hypnosis and stuck a beanie baby in my arm and asked for it to leave a stain on one side but not the other...it worked. That could, I guess, be a possibility of my insomnia.
I have to get back to my rehab and therapy... I'm outy,
Michael A.K.A: Blanco
[edit] Hypnotism
Since I have been hynotised, I have had more and more supernatural coincidences with the demons of which rule the procedure. Unfortunately, I am not able to go into all the details right this second. Anyone that sees the article "Blanco" can edit it and say that I got a huge kitchen knife stuck into my arm while I was under hypnosis...because that is what happened. They asked me to bleed on one side of my arm but not the other and for it to leave a scar on the opposite side from where they stuck the knife into my arm. The boys that hynotised me put my legs up onto a chair and let the flame of a cigarette lighter glide across my legs. While that was happening and me not knowing of even feeling anything I was catching glimpses of things...odd things...not knowing what. More ken to mortal hypnosis and since then I've had a sort of self induced transe. For those of you that took the courage to read "Blanco" I truly consider you to take it a step further and give me some info at my emailing address that you will find on "Blanco"
Sincerely Anyone's
Mikey
[edit] Wiccan
I am a wiccan and I don't believe in the word "Warlock". Male users of witchcraft are referred to as witches also. I use many powers and natures of Wiccan but I am in two religions right now. First Baptists and Wiccan. Most people do not like to refer to this stuff as religion but it is out there. Witches are all around you...just watch your back. Contact me at monstermike@ev1.net
Laters
[edit] Blanco #2
Another strange coincidence that happened to me is when I wrote the greatest idea down in my story. It came true. A Rabid dog kept coming up to me. I shot it with my twelve-gage in its chest and a day later it came back and bit me. I shot the mother fucker again and buried it and got checked for rabies. I didn't have them. Nothing but a scare on my leg. When I buried it I put a cross on it to show it respect. He showed back up. I waited until he left and I went to the place I buried him and the cross was up side down. I haven't been there since. I am obviously seriously delusional Any info for me...please e-mail me at monstermike@ev1.net All my strength and ingenuity, Blanco
[edit] lucifer?
lucifer is an angel, not a demon. he got kicked out of heaven, but that doesnt make you a demon. he may have become a demon afterwards, but he was no longer lucifer by then. on the other hand (as everything in the christian mythology) lucifer is stolen from other mythologies and such, and lucifer was some sungod in some tribes. he may have been a demon in certain contexts, but in christian mythology lucifer was the top angel that may have become satan in a much later stage. it should be edited or removed--Lygophile 04:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Since this page exists to list demons in a broad variety of settings, (from Judeo-Christian-Islamic through ancient civilizations like Assyria and Egypt) Lucifer is certainly an applicable inclusion, as per your statement, "he may have been a demon in certain contexts." Doubtless, according to Christian mythology Lucifer was an exalted angel, but just as doubtless, according to Christian mythology an angel that is kicked out of Heaven becomes a demon. Zahakiel 20:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- i doubt that. being kicked out of heaven is just getting your wings clipt, theres a lot of room between ultimate good and ultimate evil. and the point is..i wouldnt know if the term 'lucifer' is ever officially used to mean a demon. if it is then ok, but only if it is.--Lygophile 01:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- also shouldnt say 'christian demonology' then01:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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- You wrote, "i doubt that. being kicked out of heaven is just getting your wings clipt, theres a lot of room between ultimate good and ultimate evil." Not in Christian thought when dealing with spiritual beings. I do not know of any source recognized in orthodox Christianity that speaks a "middle ground" for spirits, outside of perhaps Origen; and especially not this spirit. Lucifer does officially refer to the leader of the demons in almost every modern mainstrean Christian resource of which I am aware. See the entry on Demons (In the New Testament and Christianity), which includes the phrase, "It should be noted that some denominations asserting Christian faith also include, exclusively or otherwise, fallen angels as de facto demons," therefore the "Lucifer" entry more than qualifies for this particular list. Zahakiel 23:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Actually in "Christian mythology", as you guys term it, Lucifer was an archangel along with Michael and Gabriel. When Lucifer was kicked out along with the angels that followed him, they became demons with him as their leader. He then became known as Satan. Also, being kicked out of heaven DOES make the angels demons. Deflagro 01:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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just goes to show how stupid christian mythology is. but it totally fits in the christian ideology, they see everything in black and white. being a 'virtuous' jew, a 'virtuous' moderate scepticist christian, an imbicil or an unbaptised flawless christian are the only ways to be in the middle i think. and then they claim all men are created equal..:/--Lygophile 15:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Uvall
Uvall is disambiguation, linking it to Vual would only be natural though i dont know which name is more appropriate, just wanted to point this out so someone with expertise can decide what to do. --AlexOvShaolin 04:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- Good call. I've directed the wiki-link to Vual, but I have preserved the existing spelling in the list that is actually displayed, since I believe that is the more common term... it's hard to tell, and lists like this where there are many a.k.as and variant spellings have the potential to be confusing. ◄Zahakiel► 18:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
