Talk:List of characters in the Harry Potter books

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[edit] Update

Since the realese of the Halfblood Prince, Harry and his fellow friends are in their sixth year. Is this to be updated?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hackeru (talk • contribs) 07:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

It doesn't say what year Harry and his friends are in. It just notes the relative ages of students in Houses. For example, Percy is listed there but he's long graduated from Hogwarts. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Beasts

Do Firenze and Grawp really belong here, or elsewhere? Rosemary Amey 00:08, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • I think so, but Buckbeak, Croakshanks, Scabbers etc. belong somewhere else. Of course, Firenze doesn't even really have a page, so someone probably should add one at some point.

[edit] Armando Dippet

Content originally contributed by user:Jcsutton in a different article which has since been nominated for deletion. This notice preserves GFDL attribution.

[edit] Missing sorting hat names?

I just added some sorting hat names from books 4 and 5, but I haven't been able to check the first three books for missing names here. Someone please check those books for such characters that may only be mentioned briefly.


[edit] Are wizards such as Fred and George Weasly still considered students?

The sub-category "Older Gryffindors" should be rearranged.

They were students for most of the series. This list should reflect all the books, not just the current situation after book 6.


[edit] "Elfs" or "Elves"?

Isn't the plural of "elf" "elves"?

Thanks for the correction, I wasn't paying much attention
Either is considered to be correct.


[edit] Alphabetical Order

I know that not many people now edit this page anymore but I am posting this message anyways. We should list this page alphabetically instead of by groups. This can solve a problem of "overlapping" where a character appear more than once. We could start a temporary page Alphabetical list of characters in the Harry Potter series so we needn't erase this page. --Mozart2005 15:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

That's a good idea. -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
How about we split off the group lists to their own articles? "List of Death Eaters" &etc. --Maru 19:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Defence Against the Dark Arts Teachers

Year 6: Severus Snape – Fled Hogwarts after killing Dumbledore. Since this is a pretty big spoiler for the series, can we edit this down a bit? The other years, I think, are fine but seeing as book six just came out it seems more of an issue. Thoughts? --Toddbloom7 21:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Voldemort

Do we have a canon precedent for referring to Voldemort as a Death Eater? Njál 01:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I do not beleive that Voldemort is ever mentioned as being a Death Eater, just that they follow him. --Jhfireboy I'm listening 11:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
How about listing Voldemort under "Dark Lords"?

[edit] Film character

Should characters introduced in the films be listed here? They aren't really canon, are they? --Damsleth 08:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

No, they're not canon. This is a list of characters in the Harry Potter books. The boy in PoA is named Bem, and he and Nigel from GoF are not in the books. They're probably kids who won a part in the movie or something. I'm going to take them out. -Fbv65edel 22:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-canon

I do not think we should have the list of characters only mentioned by JKR. It is like Damsleth a list of characters in the Harry Potter books. - Jonathan235

I'm in agreement with this. if this is to be specifically an article about characters from the books, then witches and wizards that have only appeared on Jo's website shouldn't be included. However, this might be considered unencyclopedic - in which case, is there an argument that the article needs to be re-titled as something like "List of characters in the Harry Potter series"? (which would also enable any oddments from the films to be included). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Batsnumbereleven (talk • contribs) 23:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC). Bugger, forgot to sign it again! --Dave. 23:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Characters that have been provably created by Rowling, whether for the books or her website or interviews, etc, should be listed. Those that aren't provably created by her, e.g. in films, games, etc, should not. The title could be changed, but it seems rather unnecessary - the context will convey where the characters have appeared, and 'series' surely only refers to the books anyway. Michaelsanders 00:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muggles

Do we know if all of the so-called "Muggles" are actually muggles? From my knowledge of the books, it doesn't say that they are non-magical.

[edit] Duplicate name

Patricia Stimpson is mentioned both under "Gryffindors" and under "House Unknown". Which is correct?

I've fixed that. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table?

While the table of the students is a nice touch, that many images will make the page HUGE and difficult to navigate. I think we have to discuss this here before proceeding. We don't need notes about a character. We just want to find characters, and get to main articles about them, if any. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I got a bit caught up, so it appears Treebark did it for me, but I reverted all of Jhfireboy's edits as per the comments I left here. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I just thought it would just make the page be more accessable in alphabetical and not in categories as I find them a bit confusing. If anybody would like to see a taster of the table look here. Also I would like to comment that I think the notes would just make it easier to place people in the books as some are only mentioned once and I do not know where they are and in what book. Jhfireboy I'm listening 15:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It would probably help to have notes just for the minor, minor characters, as you say. No offense, but I think the table makes it look cluttered. If somebody is looking for a last name, and they don't know which category it would fall under, they can just search the page (Apple+F/Ctrl+F). But this way, it organizes characters by importance and category, which is more essential when linking to the page. Just my two knuts… --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Good point, I see where you are coming from and why that would hapen as it does. Also to add to my points above some names are mentioned in more than one area and I thought that we are trying to get a complete list of characters without duplicates and in alphabetical order this is possible. -- Jhfireboy I'm listening 11:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, if you search the page like I mentioned, you could find out the different categories your character falls under. But I understand the need to get one mention of characters with multiple categories listed. Still, I think this is the most convenient and neat way to list them. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 14:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I read on the Harry Potter Portal that one of the "things to do" is to tabulate the people on this page. I had a quick go with the students at the top of the list. I think the tables are better than the lists as you can more clearly see how people are related to Harry age-wise. I'm quite new to all this wiki-ing so I'm not convinced the tables are the best they can be. If you can make them prettier to look at then feel free Kelly elf 16:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: I just read the rest of this talk page and I see that there is already a table thing in progress. If you want to revert my tables and stick to the one suggested above then ok Kelly elf 16:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Kelly elf, I'm surprised to see that on the To do list on the portal, because that's a major change for which no consensus was ever reached. As you can see above, jhfireboy was interested in tabulating it, while I thought it would look cluttered. I would strongly suggest that this be talked about a lot before anything continues to be done. I would bring it to the WikiProject, but, despite the number of members there, it seems pretty dead. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 23:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Middle names

Is there a reason why the trio's middle names are included? 65.92.204.139 03:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably because they are the only ones that are known.--Dacium 08:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Clean up attempt

I will be attempting to clean up the article. The main point is to get each character listed ONCE in the list under the major section that describes the character. There are far to many indescrimite listings of the same people because they could be a members of the order, also a past students, also a past gryffindor etc. etc.--Dacium 08:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that not done on the basis that a character can be found under all the relevant headings, allowing the reader to find them more easily (rather than having to decide if Umbridge fits into teachers or ministry workers, or whatever it is)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michaelsanders (talk • contribs) 09:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
Yes you are correct they should be under certain headings. I will be attempting to fix the categories up more also.--Dacium 03:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snape a Death Eater?

I removed the bit that said Snape is a "known Death Eater" because we still don't really know that for sure. Personally I think that he acted as he did at the end of Half Blood Prince out of self preservation, as any Slytherin would. Remember, he did agree to take an Unbreakable Vow without knowing what exactly he was committing to until it was too late to back out. Rosemary Amey 08:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

"Personally I think" is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. Let's focus on what we know - he is a Double Agent for most of the books (meaning he needs to be listed there), and at the end of book 6 he kills Dumbledore and runs off with the Death Eaters, to cries of 'stop, Death Eater', etc. Michaelsanders 15:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree "personally I think" is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article, but this is the talk page. The events at the end of Half Blood Prince can be interpreted different ways, so the encyclopedia article should not state that he is definitely a Death Eater. Rosemary Amey 16:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest you go to the Severus Snape talk page, and ask them to comment. Michaelsanders 16:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if he is on Voldemort's side or not, he is a known Death Eater, since he still works for them, even if its on the Order's benefit. Not to mention that he surely sued to be one. Diana Prallon

[edit] Spoilers

Can someone familiar with this article add spoiler notices where appropriate? We don't all need to know who died in book 4. Brian Jason Drake 02:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs some serious revision

If this is going to be the main article for describing the characters in the Harry Potter books (and since the Harry Potter articles character section now consists of a link to this page, it appears to be so) it needs to be drafted so that it would make sense to someone who had never read the series. Why should Harry and Hermione be listed after Euan Abercrombie or Dennis Creevey? Would someone who had never read the books either know or care who Euan Abercrombie was? There at least needs to be an opening section describing the main characters in the series. Serendipodous 15:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I think there has been some vandalism at the bottom of the page where it talks about Muggles in Little Whinging, and Little Hangelton. Thief Lord 13:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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