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Addition to Claire's Powers

I added "Altered perception of pain" to Claire's powers. The source for this is an interview with two of the show's writers: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8817 (third question down). Unfortunately I am not very familiar with editing Wikipedia and cannot for the life of me figure out how to add a citation. I would appreciate it very much if someone would add that for me. Thank you. 71.193.152.63 05:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. I was worried this was just speculation. This does help, though not in very clear way. I think it'd be better not to add overly long or confusing data to what's really supposed to be a simple summary. I'll make note at the Claire Bennet article. Thanks, and you're welcome. Check out [Wikipedia:citation]] and Wikipedia:citation templates for information about how to cite sources. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't wish to start an argument, as obviously you're much more familiar with Wikipedia's protocol than I am, but this does seem to be an important power of hers. It has been clearly portrayed onscreen, and is essential to making her primary power meaningful (i.e. it lends her a sort of invulnerability in that she truly need not fear harm). I certainly feel that it is much more a superpower than Niki's split personality, which may not even be directly related to her powers. 71.193.152.63 13:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
A different perception of pain might be unusual, but not necessarily superhuman. And Claire doesn't seem to enjoy getting hurt or lack fear, she just knows she'll be okay in the end. Also, while you might take the comment to mean something like "she feels less pain overall", Wikipedia must maintain a NPOV. The statement was ambiguous and could have different meaning than was assumed or implied. All we know is that her peception is "different". Also, while certain factors might seem vital, we try to keep this to the bear minimum. We could mention Peter's apparent need to be right next to the "source" character whose powers he mimicks or DL's possible need to touch an object before phasing, but that's stuff for their articles and way too detailed. Stuff like the Nik's split personality or Isaac's drug problem may have been pre-existing factors, and are still vital elements. "Jessica" does seem directly connected to Niki's superstrength, as Niki has never shown any when she's acting like herself. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we change Claire's power to Spontaneous Regeneration, since that is what it is called in the show? Briham 13:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's confine this discussion to Talk:Claire Bennet#Spontaneous Regeneration. Primogen 20:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Mohinder's Power

Changed Mohinder's power to "clairvoyance" from "psychometry." Psychometry is the very specific power to ascertain details from objects. There is no proof that Mohinder's visions came from any objects in his vicinity. Until more details emerge, it would be safer to assume that his ability to see the past events he couldn't possibly know of comes purely from himself. 66.82.9.42 06:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Can it actually be assumed Mohinder has Clairvoyange or Psychometry? There was a file for the boy, so it is possible that the boy caused Mohinder to have the dreams. I think it's speculation to assume without further proof that Mohinder has this ability on his own. PureSoldier 12:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

At this point I don't think we can assume Mohinder has any power. In the instances we have seen this post-cognitive power, the young boy has always appeared. Seems to me it is more of the boy projecting a power at Mohinder, than Mohinder using a power. Creektoad 19:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that in fact a boy....or Mohinder's younger (presumed dead) sister??

(I don't know how sharply defined gender differences are in Indian children.) Thanos777 21:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how much it matters, but the character is played by a boy. PureSoldier 21:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

"Homecoming" confirmed it, the dreams came from the boy. Still don't know if Mohinder really has a power, but there is no longer any evidence he does. Bio 20:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Claire's Implied Biological Parents

Why was Claire's Biological Parents Removed from the list of Characters. They spoke more than a few lines and contributed to the storyline of the Show. Dan Bricker 16:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Good question! I put them back in, but as a single "Hank and Lisa" entry. BTW, please add new topics at the end of the discussion article. :) Primogen 16:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sylar

Shouldn't Sylar be here, on the main characters page? Even though he hasn't had much presence, he's clearly the primary antagonist at this point. Anonymous 3:22 PST 15 November 2006

Micah Sander's powers

Changed Micah's power to "telemechanics", I just made the word up. I am awesome. That is my power. lol.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.71.85.105 (talk • contribs) on 03:56, November 10, 2006 (UTC); Please sign your posts!

There has been some lively discussion on the Micah Sanders page. It appears the general agreement is that Micah's power is Unspecified, but possibly Technopathy. That should be reflected on this page. Reg619 01:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That's just weaselly spec and definitely not the consensus at Talk:Micah Sanders. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Table of Actual 'Heroes'

As someone visiting this page for the first time to glean a little bit more technical information on various characters, I'd like to point out that it would make more sense in many ways to have all characters with actual superpowers in the main table (currently for "major characters") than how it is now. This would involve adding Sylar, the Haitian, Ted (who I felt I really had to 'dig' to find out about), and IMO Eden, Charlie and Sanjog to the table. As it is, there is inconsistency, specifically that Zach and Eden have been just as important in events as Simone. These characters along with Mohinder, Ando and Mr Bennet should probably go immediately under the table due to their importance, but don't need their bios tabulated since there's no need to keep track of the same sort of information for them as for the heroes. I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on this.

Also, the table of contents right at the top all by itself looks pretty bad.

Currently the table lists all the characters that are singled out as main characters on the official NBC Heroes site, which I think is a NPOV way for us to separate major from minor characters. The problem with what you suggest is that we don't know how prominent each character will become to the overall storyline in upcoming episodes, but the NBC designation might take that into account. That being said, I'd actually prefer the table being dropped completely in favor of single-paragraph descriptions, and I wouldn't object if we dropped the major/minor separation completely given how that some of the minor characters currently have more screentime (and are more popular) than some of the majors. Primogen 17:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense - I agree that the table layout should probably go, then. It just breaks up the article too much. K O Archer 00:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps a section on the main page with a list of powers (flight, precognition, mimicry, etc.)and those characthers who have them is more appropriate? ShigityShank 03:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sanjog Iyer

This character's name is Sanjog Iyer, not Iyer Sanjog. I know this because I play him on the show, but anyone who researches the history of these names in India (google, etc) will see that Sanjog is a first name, and Iyer is a last name. Upal12 14:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. So then why is the file on him titled "SANJOG, Iyer", shouldn't it be "IYER, Sanjog"? Or did the filmakers just make a mistake? --M m hawk 21:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Just confirmed for myself that Sanjog is a first name (it means "coincidence."). I also did a Google search and came up with 181 hits for "Sanjog Iyer" and only 30 hits for "Iyer Sanjog". Primogen 19:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, IMDb's cast list also gives the character name as Sanjog Iyer. Even though IMDb isn't the most reliable source, it is odd that, given the way the file folder showed his name, that someone would put in that the name was actually Sanjog Iyer if it wasn't true. Primogen 19:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't discuss anything beyond character's name, which is a known fact. Anything else would be plot.Upal12 06:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't say for fact, as I've never been there, but could India possibly have a different style of writing names? Bio 20:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that really you? --Addict 2006 06:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden's Powers

I edited it to note that she has a possibly telepathic superhuman suggestion/persuasion ability; I think it should be kept that way until we find out more. CTVampSlayer 10:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Instead, how about being nonspecific until we found out more? Putting forth possibilities is more appropriate for a fansite than an encyclopedia. Primogen 06:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Mr. Bennett hinted that Eden can be more persuasive, when she reports to him that Mohinder has gone back to India. So saying "Possible Ability of Persuasion" is a sound theory. --ParalysedBeaver 19:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia editors don't put their theories and "possible" explanations into articles. Primogen 20:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a theory any longer, she pretty obviously used the power on Sylar in the latest ep. She's got persuasion abilities. CTVampSlayer 03:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to add more sources to it, the latest online comic is a background story on Eden, which you can read here. At the end, it shows her persuasion powers at work. --WarriorofZarona 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

When does Eden become a major character, instead of merely minor? She's seen a lot, especially in "Six Months Ago." Not to mention the building love interest between her and Mohinder. Cymbalta 02:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Minor and Major Characters merge?

I think minor and major characters should be merged as there really seems to be no major cast. And those that might of been minor are major now and vice versa.

Wikvin 06:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Zach

Should this article also mention that Zach's Myspace says he is 18 years old and also claims he is a sophmore? This also implies that Claire might also be a Sophmore though it is unusual to ahve 18 year old Sophomores, or sophmore cheerleader captains and homecoming queens. And if Zach is in fact a senior or was held back 2 year than that might cause some conflict with some things in the show. Owenlars2 15:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I added the additional MySpace info to Zach's description. However, the speculations do not belong here. Primogen 15:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe Zack's Myspace page says he is 18 because of rules regarding "minors on myspace". --Mjrmtg 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, thanks...that makes a lot of sense. Though I think in the show they are Sophomores since neither of them seem to have cars and this may suggest they are under 16 in the show which is a more reasonable age for a sophomore.63.165.176.75 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Why was Claire grounded anyway? --Mjrmtg 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
For punching Jackie at school.63.165.176.75 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


Clean Up

I put a clean up tag on here. I don't know why the two articles were merged, because it looks terrible and very long now. The TOC and the table don't work together very well and overall it is just messy. --Pinkkeith 22:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...please don't do that. If you'll look above, the merger was agreed upon. Now, fo the move part, content and TOC issue lay with the "minor characters" section. Perhaps we could remove that title and just list everyone as separate from the main characters by not neccessarily "minor". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden an official character?

  • I see that Eden now has her own article. Is she now a main character?4.167.224.53 18:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Currently, only characters that the show's producers have designated as main characters (i.e., the characters singled out on NBC's official Heroes site, plus the announcement of Mr. Bennet becoming a main character as of the 11th episode) are considered "main characters" in this article. However, ANY character (or any sub-topic about Heroes, for that matter), can have its own article if someone takes the initiative to make one and there is enough notable information to justify a separate article. For example, Sylar has his own article even though he is not a main character. Primogen 18:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sylar's an exception. Eden getting an article surprises me, though. I'll have to keep an eye on this. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Eden's certainly becoming a main character in practice, if not in name. I think that having a separate article for her is just fine, as there's quite a bit of information about her available now. --dws90 06:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ando Masahashi -> Masahashi Ando

I believe that he is called by his last name, and his name is said in the Japanese order. Ando is a Japanese surname. --TcDohl 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's get verification on what the show says his name is before changing his name in the article. Primogen 18:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

After Hiro goes to the past and calls his own office, he actually said "Ando Masahashi" in Japanese. One wouldn't speak in Japanese and say a Japanese name in Western order. Therefore, my assertion is correct and please re-revert. Thanks. --TcDohl 19:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Japanese, but according to the actor's official website, the character's name is "Ando Masahashi". Is there any legitimate source that says the character name is "Masahashi Ando"? Primogen 19:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Please read the Wikipedia article on the Japanese name. As I've said, if you've TiVoed the show, go back to the part where Hiro calls himself in the past. There he says "Ando Mashahashi", which is in Japanese order, since as I've said, when speaking in Japanese and referring to a non-Westernized Japanese name, it always comes in Japanese order, not in Western order.--TcDohl 20:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what your research and analysis says his character ought to be named. What matters is what reliable published sources say his character is named. Tvguide.com, James Kyson Lee's official website, IMDb (for what little it's worth), and 9000 other websites I googled, say his name is "Ando Mashahashi." I googled only 9 sites with "Mashahashi Ando". Again, if you can find reliable published sources that say the character's name is "Mashahashi Ando", then we can change it in Wikipedia. Primogen

Charlie

Was she still murdered, or did she die from the clot? Hiro was unable to save her, but that doesn't mean she was still murdered. But I might have missed something. Prometheus-X303- 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

After Hiro went back in time, Mr. Bennet had a photograph of Charlie with her head cut open, so it seems that she was still murdered by Sylar. Stabbey 17:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

According to Hiro's Blog, Charlie's last name is Andrews. --Stabbey 20:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I've corrected her section. Thankfully, this puts her very close to the top.
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