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Is Castle Fraser not in the Highlands ? they were a Highland clan.

Contents 1 Management 2 Key 3 Fair use icons 4 Table?

[edit] Management

(moved from Castles in Scotland by bjh21 19:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

This page is currently being managed by Wikiproject Scottish Castles. If you would like to make any changes to this page, or any of the castle pages listed (other than those in the 'See also' section, it would be appreciated if you let us know first. Many thanks, Slink pink

Please feel free to edit this or any other castle page, you don't have to let us know first, but please stop by the project page and contribute to ongoing discussion there, thanks ::Supergolden:: 12:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Key

I added a key, template {{ScotPlacesKey}}. Its a bit generic - do we need any other symbols on this page? eg Privately owned, ruined? ::Supergolden:: 13:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, good idea. What about National parks of Scotland? --Billreid 17:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean for castles which are in a national park? Or just to add to the template. I changed the key on this page to reflect the content, ie symbols for castles open to the public, and for ruins. Now all it needs is for someone to go through thsi very long list and tag them all! ::Supergolden:: 17:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant but is there a logo? I will certainly tag the Moray ones and any others that I work on. --Billreid 18:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There isn't a logo that I know of, but thanks for your offer of help. ::Supergolden:: 11:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use icons

The icons for the different statuses of the castles is a good idea, but I think we don't have a sufficient fair-use claim for the icons. Firstly we're not using them solely on the pages for which they're subject (so one can use the NTS logo on the NTS page, but not really on the pages of all their properties. A similar discussion regarding the team logos of US football teams on summary pages (like a year's results page) concluded that this was too far from fair use and too close to decoration. Secondly they don't list the source (which is mandatory for fair-use). And thirdly we can't say, at least for most, that we can't come up with a free equivalent. We do use the little NTS logo, but it's so small that it's really pretty useless. I took a brief stab this morning with making up free logos that should serve the same purpose. My first cut is here: . I've not done the historic building one (it's a bit harder, but not too bad), and I'm by no means settled on any of these designs. But I propose we develop free SVG equivalents of the icons we use now and replace the fair-use ones with these. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 12:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

(I should mention that I'll me mostly offline until next weekend, but if anyone has any suggestions between now and then, I can fix up the icons then). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Does the fact that they are so incredibly low-res not matter :)? You are probably rght though. The ones you put up look OK to me - we could do blue for HS, green for NTS, brown (say) for the 'other open to the public', and red for private? Surely we only need to replace the HS and NTS ones, not the historic house or ruin ones, which are generic (ruin was made by me). The Castles in England page uses the english heritage and NT logos too. ::Supergolden:: 14:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

It helps that they're smaller, but they're still fair use nevertheless. Ruin has a fair-use licence tag on it, so you should fix that. You're quite right about Historic House, it's fine (pfew, saves me drawing something). Whatever we do we should definately colour-key, but we mustn't rely only on the colour (as lots of people are colour blind). We should also make sure the images have a decent alt= text on them, so not , for the sake of those with braille browsers and screen readers. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd have thought the simplest sollution would be to ask for permission to use the images. However, is the ownership of the buildings really that important. I'd much rather see information about the type of building that it's ownership e.g. ruin/reconstruction or Towerhouse/Keep/Broch/Mote and whither it's open to public or private, free or paid entrance etc. Rincewind42 14:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table?

To address worries of fair use icons, and to include additional info as suggested by Rincewind42, we could turn the whole page into tables. This would make it all al lot clearer, but at the expense of more complx markup. As an example:

Name	Type	Condition	Ownership
Foo Castle	Tower house	Ruined	Historic Scotland
Boo Castle	Country house	Occupied	Private
Goo castle	Motte-and-bailey	Destroyed	n/a

I would say that Type, Condition and Ownership were the three main things to include, any others? I don't think we should put too much information on this page, as its only a list after all. Abbeys and priories in Scotland also uses tables. Obviously the presentation of the table is open to suggestion too. ::Supergolden:: 09:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)