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Contents 1 Impaled Northern Moonforest 2 More genre arguments 3 Death metal 4 Mercyful Fate = Black Metal? 5 Anyone notice a pattern? 6 Mercyful Fate should stay up 7 Linkin Park? 8 Removed or moved bands 8.1 Too many bands? 8.2 Children of Bodom... 8.3 Black... or death? 8.4 Why? 8.5 Folk/Viking metal 8.6 Cradle of Filth 8.7 Carpe Tenebrum 8.8 How about I just delete half of the bands

[edit] Impaled Northern Moonforest

Anyone else think a cut-and-dry joke/parody band does not belong on this list at all?--- Ours18

nah. Theyre not grim and frostbitten enough :P Isilioth 22:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More genre arguments

Crade of Flith isn't a Black Metal band, even the lead singer admits it

• they started out clearly as a black metal band. Their debut album is an obvious display of that. Many ppl (esp black metal fans) tho seem to have blocked that out considering they have cheesed out into some crappy goth band now. Spearhead 09:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

• • They did NOT start out as black metal, their first demos were death metal. As it is, their "black metal" material has always been of little consequence to the greater bm scene as a whole. --Ours18

• • • They were never black metal. Stop adding them to this list. Isilioth 10:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death metal

Krisiun and God Dethroned are death metal.

It doesn't matter, the point is that many people dispute it. Not saying so wouldn't be NPOV.

• it is mentioned on the CoF page... doesn't have to be put here as well

It doesn't matter, the point is that many people dispute it. Not saying so wouldn't be NPOV.

I don't see how Cradle Of Filth is to be considered Black Metal when it's only their debut album that is possibly included in the genre and everything else is very obviously gothic. If a band puts out a rock album and then changes and makes their next 5 albums country, are they still to be labelled a 'rock' band? I think not. Ilyon 08:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

CoF might not be black metal (though its the best place I fnd for them) they are not gothic metal. Maybe symphonic metal, but definitely not gothic. marnues 18:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

They are closer to Black Metal then any other Genre, that is why they will be left here. ~ The Haunted Angel

I'm going to have to agree with The Haunted ANgel here abd I HATE Cof, but I think it should be noted that it is desputed on the list too.-MC John

I edited the CoF and CoB entries to better reflect the truth and general consensus of the black metal community. CoB always has been considered by the majority of both fans and haters to be a power metal band first and foremost; other than the first album, the black metal aspect only shines through in the vocals. CoF...their early demos were death metal, and the debut was barely black metal if at all (more of a bizarre gothic take on death metal and thrash metal with black vocals and keyboards thrown over everything), and anyway it's long since been established that CoF hasn't been playing anything remotely related to black metal for quite some time. I think the new entry (first album only, very debatable) is good enough for encyclopedia work. Removing both of them would be the most accurate way of doing it, but you'd better be expecting a shitstorm if you're gonna try. --Ours18

CRADLE OF FILTH are NOT closer to black metal than any other genre. They are much closer to heavy metal and gothic metal. Have you ever noticed how actual black metal listeners hate CoF? That's because they are a mediocre band labeled as bm to make them sound cool. Fuck, even Dani has said he doesnt think theyre black metal. Isilioth 10:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mercyful Fate = Black Metal?

I don't think Mercyful Fate should be mentioned here, although they were no doubt an extream influence on Black Metal, they muscilly have almost nothing in common with bands like Mayham or Darkthrone, Besides, they are already listed on the main BM page as an influnce

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Well, back before there was a Mayhem or Darkthrone, Black Metal was not a genre but a term used for anti-Christian bands. Mercyful Fate's first two records were not only highly anti-Christian, but the first released album of a musician wearing corpse paint ( King Diamond of corpse ). If Celtic Frost and Venom are up there ( who also have nothing in common musically with Black Metal as it is known now either ), so should Mercyful Fate. Either add Mercyful Fate back, or take out Celtic Frost and Venom, in my opinion.

[edit] Anyone notice a pattern?

Look under the 'V' section, lol.

[edit] Mercyful Fate should stay up

How anyone can take off Mercyful Fate from this list while ignoring the 50 broken links of bands that are probobly garage or don't exist is beyond me.

Only up until Black Metal had a defined sound in the 90's, Mercyful Fate was called Black Metal. There is no arguing that, it is known throughout the metal community. Back in the 80's there was no definition of Black Metal, Mercyful Fate, Venom, Celtic Frost made up the first wave of Black Metal and you can't ignore history. Just because Mercyful Fate has nothing in common with what Black Metal is today musically, does not mean they didn't when Black Metal WAS Mercyful Fate, Venom and Celtic Frost. And besides that, everything besides the music - Mercyful Fate in the early 80's were black metal. The imagery, King's corpse paint and garments, the anti-christianity, the screeching abnormal demonic vocals ( Though in a different tone ), the muddy raw production, hailing from an obscured country, and every single song either hailing Satan, about the occult, and blaspheming Christianity except for 1 out of 22 songs. Black metal is more about the music, friends.

[edit] Linkin Park?

Okay, either this is a different Linkin Park or something, or this is a big mistake. Linkin Park is a Rapcore/Nu-Metal Band. It's not even listed in the right section. 'L' is not a number between 0 and 9. It's the 12th letter in the alphabet. If someone can post some evidence that Linkin Park is Black Metal Band, then I retract everything I just said (except for the part where it's listed in the wrong section).

The Wretched

[edit] Removed or moved bands

I moved The Kovenant to Covenant because they never released a black metal album under the name The Kovenant. 113 07:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too many bands?

I think this should be like in other lists of metal bands; if one doesn't have a page, remove it. This is the longest list, more than thrash for example...

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I Agree. Too many broken links. How do we even know if these are actual bands?

I think there are at least 300 bands with no article. Too much, so we should remove new additions with no article. If someone wants to put a link to a band which is not here, must create an article first.--85.60.128.60 14:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Bodom...

should be here or not?

NO. They are a power metal with melodic death influence. Isilioth 10:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black... or death?

Die Apocalyptischen Reiter, Witchery... their articles dont say anything about black metal

[edit] Why?

can someone answer, why the following bands are listed as "black metal"? AFAIR their lyrics have little to nothing to do with BM:

• Children of Bodom
• Summoning
• Borknagar
• Agalloch

I know that articles in Wiki and some other sources name them as BM but i still have no idea why. BTW, only Summoning is called BM on Metalarchives.Blacklake 08:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Good question. These bands aren't black metal at all (except Summoning, which first album sounds like Abigor and which still have aesthetical and atmospheric elements of black metal). Neither are Cradle of Filth (duh), Otyg (??? they're pure folk), Finntroll (!!! polka/folk), Augury (prog/death!), Asmegin (viking), Children of Bodom (hah), Bal-Sagoth, Witchery, etc etc. 69.70.27.42 17:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and remove them if you feel like it, particularly if the wikipedia article doesn't say they're BM. For the sake of consistency though, bands which are described as BM in Wikipedia should be listed here, whatever other sources might say. This goes for Cradle of Filth, Children of Bodom and Finntroll (which is folk black metal; plain folk metal is Skyclad, Korpiklaani or, as you say, Otyg). There is huge controversy over the genre of Cradle and COB, but the articles list BM as one of the genres, so they have a place in this list. IronChris | (talk) 18:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. I don't know that Wikipedia, particularly debated, controversial Wikipedia articles, should be used as a source of justification for an edit. And Finntroll has absolutely no black metal in its sound (shrieked vocals don't count). They are plain folk (or polka folk if you want to get more specific), just like Arkona or Hantaoma (who also have growls, but no black metal influence). 69.70.27.42 20:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

If there isn't a reasonably trustworthy source to justify a genre, then the wikipedia article shouldn't include that genre. If the article does state a specific genre, then we should suppose that those who have editted that article did their homework. If you think a band is wrongfully in this list, you should consider modifying the article as well. Otherwise someone could just put the band back in the list, and you would end up with a revert war (one that you are bound to lose, if the article is against you).

As for Finntroll, I can find quite a few sources that state BM as one of its genres: metal archives, BNR metal pages, [1], [2]. What's more, if you do a google search, "Finntroll + "Black Metal"" gives you 228,000 hits and "Finntroll + "folk metal"" gives you 84,100 hits. Hell, even "Finntroll + "viking metal"" gives you 54,500 hits. But anyway, it's not me you have to convince, its the people over on the Finntroll article.

Same thing for Hantaoma; if you do a google search, "Hantaoma + metal" gets 18,900 hits, "Hantaoma + "black metal"" gets 13,400 hits (about 3 quarters), and "Hantaoma + "folk metal"" gets only 2,140 hits. But anyway, who cares, they don't have an article. IronChris | (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

So what? A Google search for Otyg folk metal gets 29K results, and a search for Otyg black metal gets 56K results. Obviously mere Google numbers are not very reliable - it just means that many sites are indexed with this combination of keywords on the same page. ;) Metal Archives does not list black metal in Finntroll's genre, by the way. I've changed the Finntroll article, too. And if we insist on sources, Metal Archives [3], Tartarean Desire [4], Metal Storm [5], Viking Blood [6], list them as folk metal. Others don't, but I don't think this can be solved by posting links or we'd never finish. Rather, by analyzing Finntroll's happy, upbeat music and realizing it sounds nowhere near black metal. :)

Borknagar's Self-Titled is Black Metal--Inhumer 19:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, if their wiki article says they're black metal; we'll add it. If you want to discuss the genre, feel free to do so on their own page; this is just a list of bands that have been classified as black metal. --Dayn 13:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Dayn, why dont you fucking think for yourself. Dont just call CoF and CoB black metal because someone else thinks so.
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Just because some people think that Children of Bodom and Cradle of Filth have black metal influence, DOES NOT MAKE THEM BLACK METAL GROUPS. I fail to see anything in their music that could possibly warrant them being labeled black metal. Just because Dani screams (yes scream. he doesnt sound like any proper black metal vocalist ive ever heard). And Children of Bodom black metal??? YOURE JOKING. I think people are idiots for calling them melodic death metal, they are just a (heavy) power metal band with unclean vocals. Absolutely nothing to warrant being called black metal. Blacklake --> Summoning ARE (atmospheric) black metal. Isilioth 10:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Folk/Viking metal

Should not be here. There is already a list of folk metal bands. As far as I'm aware, "viking" and "folk" metal (and whatever else redirects there) is similar to black metal, but they have their own pages describing them. I will remove all bands that do not list "black metal" explicitly on their pages very soon. --Dayn 07:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

While we're here, I'm keeping in "blackened death/thrash/jazz/pop/whatever" metal in, as as far as I can gather, it's a mix of the two. --Dayn 07:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Aaand I'll leave in "dark metal" bands. I've no idea what that is, so I'll leave it to someone else's discretion who has more knowledge. --Dayn 07:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cradle of Filth

Seriously why are they on this list? I am sure everybody who has some under standing of Black Metal knows for a fact they are not Black Metal. Seriously I feel like I am kicking a dead horse here but anybody with some common sense will know they are not Black Metal and its an insult to have them here. Please somebody find a source to state that they are NOT black metal. Lord of nothing 16:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary, The Principle of Evil Made Flesh, From the Cradle to Enslave, and Cradle of Filth all mention black metal. If you can get those mentions of black metal removed with others agreeing, feel free to remove it from this list; but as it is, all this page is is a list of bands that play, or have played black metal. They mightn't play it now, but they have played it; would be better suited on CoF's talk page though. --Dayn 16:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I have over 100 Black Metal albums, and I have heard all of them and I strongly disagree that they are Black Metal. According to the CoF article Dani Filth confirmed himself that CoF is not Black Metal.Lord of nothing 03:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Then you'll have to take up the argument on their pages, as for consistency this page lists bands that play or have played black metal. I don't really listen to them, I just do my best to keep this list maintained. --Dayn 04:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

CRADLE OF FILTH ARE NOT BLACK METAL. Dayn, Only The principle of evil made flesh says its black metal, but that is just some idiots opinion. Anyone who actually knows something about black metal knows that CRADLE OF FILTH ARE NOT BLACK METAL. Even if that one album was bm, it doesn't make the band black metal. They have next to nothing in common with black metal aside from distorted drumming, fast drumming, and screechy vocals...but black metal is not the only genre to have all that...death metal has all those. grindcore. speed metal. Take it from the people who are actual black metalheads. Their lyrical content has never had anything to do with black metal ideology. As someone who listens to black metal, i seriously dont see how they can be called bm. CRADLE OF FILTH ARE NOT BLACK METAL. They are only considered black metal by 16 year old boys and girls who think so because Metal Hammer tells them so. I am going to remove them once again. By readding them you show that you know nothing about black metal. Isilioth 10:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest to WP:CHILL a bit first, and then consider that not all BM is lo-fi TRVE KVLT. CoF came from a BM/DM background and on early material they are. It can't be helped that they got popular and turned in to a commercial act. Spearhead 10:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No shit dude. It does not make them a black metal band though for fucks sake. Shit, nigga... Isilioth 23:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

How about WP:CIVIL this time? Maybe you're just too KVLT for WP huh Spearhead 23:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to keep them off the black metal list as long as possible. I seem to remember previously deleting them from it without much arguing. Ours18 00:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

As will I. Spearhead, grow up please. Isilioth 02:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

There are many other bands on the list that are only vaguely remote black metal, like Akercocke, Belphegor, Bal-Sagoth, Dimmu Borgir, Finntroll, Falkenback, God Dethroned, Lord Belial, Mystic Circle. It's entirely POV to keep CoF off the list while keeping those on. There has been a lot of discussion regarding CoF's style on their own page. Spearhead 14:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

These band should also be removed then. Lets make an article that actually reflects it's title... Isilioth 09:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carpe Tenebrum

I changed "Carpe Tenebrum"'s country of origin from Australia to Norway, assuming this was just an accident. CT is a side project of dimmu borgir/astennu, who are clearly not from Australia.

Thanks for catching that. I might go through the list later and see what else needs fixing. --Dayn 08:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason for this would be that Carpe Tenebrum appears to be a solo project of astennu, who was Australian until he moved to Norway (i think) sometime in the 90s. So i guess thats why the band "originated" in Australia. Isilioth 10:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How about I just delete half of the bands

All the bands that say "influenced by black metal" or "a mix of black metal and x" shouldn't be listed as "black metal". Make a new damn list for bands influenced by black metal. -iopq 04:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)