Talk:List of big-bust models and performers

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[edit] Old discussion

Is this appropriate as we already have a list of Erotic Actors? I would put a Delete tag on it, but I have done that twice tonight and hate to get in a rut. [[PaulinSaudi 16:38, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)]]

FWIW, there's also Bondage model, which is mostly a list. —tregoweth 23:36, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] BEST PAGE EVER

recommended for deleteion? you all mad?

Nope, just concerned. Of course, for all the comments related to its deletion, refer to the VfD link at the top of the page. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 20:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
"recommended for deleteion? you all mad?" Love it. Make this man the editor. --Tatty 09:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This page does rock. Rock Hard. ---Alexander 007 18:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree, I don't think the page should be deleted considering the number of other subsections in List_of_porn_stars. If not it's own page it should at least be added to Female_porn_stars. It has enough relevance in pornography to at least be noted.TrueGamerOmega 19:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Removal of Plenty UpTopp link

In the event that no one read the edit summary to my edit: there was a reason I removed the link to the non existant article on Plenty UpTopp. The article on her was a VfD, whose consensus was to delete. (See: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Plenty up topp) -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 16:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where do we draw the line?

Where exactly do we draw the line to consider a girl eligable for this list.

For instance, Pandora Peaks certainly qualifies by any standard. But Brittany Andrews, while she's a big girl by normal standards, isn't in anything like the same league.

If the purpose of this list is to name girls who are "freakishly" big, then quite a few names need to be deleted. If it's to list girls who just happen to be on the big side, then what's the point of the list really? Virtually ALL porn actresses are on the big side! Bob the Pirate 23:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I do think that the women who are of at least DD cup or smaller need to be listed on a seperate section as they aren't that big. Danball1976 02:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Which was a point I and other like-minded editors brought up during the page's Vote for Deletion... As you can see by reading the archived discussion/vote, people thought that defining criteria was an apparent misusage of time and logistical effort. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 01:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree that Brittany is on the small size compared to the other women on this list, and that she is mainly a porn star as opposed to someone who gets modelling jobs strictly on the size of her bust. I guess the minimum breast size to be a good member of this list is a DD cup, which she and everyone else on this list possesses (I think). Jalabi99 15:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

this page ought not be just for those whom happen to be big, but for those whose entire imape is predicated on that fact 130.245.212.132 03:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Hence, I am removing Jennifer Ellison from this list. Sure, she has big boobs, but she is mainly a soap actress and musician, who occasionally models for the lads mags. She is not a big-bust model in the sense of, say, Milena Velba or Sharday, who came to fame (and remain famous) mainly for their topless modeling pictures, and not for anything else they may or may not have done. -- Jalabi99 23:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexist

Can we have an equivalent article for well endowed men? ;-) Shantavira 18:37, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't see why not! Turnabout is fair play, right? :) Jalabi99 15:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Go right ahead!!The Electrician

Happily agreed!!! (Aditya Kabir 17:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC))

Sure, but how can we tell which actors are which. Unfortunately, men don't walk around in clothing that advertizes their size. After all, it isn't always the same (like breast), and it isn't socially acceptable yet!-- ¢² Connor K.   13:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

This article seems mistitled to me. These are mostly or entirely porn models, even those with legit work are more famous for their porn work than anything else. "models and performers" would suggest to me the inclusion of fashion models, and notables like Dolly Parton or Pamela Anderson. I'm also de-wikifying all the names with no articles so as to discourage the creation of stubs on non-notables.

...And I just read the page introduction. Now I get it. I still say the title is misleading. I suggest changing it to "List of models and performers in big-bust pornography". Plus, I forgot it was protected, obviously I'm not capable of de-wikifying it. Do we need to petition admins to get attention, or is there a group who regularly check protected pages' talk pages?

Renaming is probably a good idea; the current title is confusing out of context. (And I'm doubly embarrassed, because I think I created this article...) tregoweth 15:40, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

It was just protected yesterday, see the page history and you'll see why. A good place to propose moves would be Wikipedia:Requested moves; after posting a one-line message there, the discussion about whether to move would take place here, on this talk page. -- Curps 15:53, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] additions

How about adding Natalia! to the list?

  • Please add Blake Mitchell. It's a redlink at the moment, but I plan to add an article on her in the near future. 24.71.223.140 20:08, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm still waiting, please hurry! User:User


Danball1976 02:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

What is with the vandalism? I get that some people will find this stuff offensive, but whoever it is just comes in and deletes the same four or five names, over and over again. What on earth is the point of that? You'd think he or she would get bored, wreck the whole article or at least delete somebody else once in a while! Bob the Pirate 21:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

  • And it's always before or after editing articles about football players. It's almost bot-like. tregoweth 23:55, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I added back some entries that may have been deleted in earlier vandalism, but perhaps some of these were legitimately deleted by other users later. Anybody knowledgeable on the subject might wish to take a look: [1] -- Curps 05:16, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Alicia 36 JJ

Why have you deleted her article? Dinno 14:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted on two separate occasions by admins:
  • 06:15, May 11, 2006 Angr deleted "Alicia 36JJ" (A7 (no assertion of notability))
  • 11:39, March 24, 2006 Jimfbleak deleted "Alicia 36JJ" (content was: 'Alicia 36JJ Born July 10, 1981 is glamour model who is known for her slim body and very large breasts. She began modeling in 2006, for a website...')
Google only lists 524 pages containing "alicia 36jj"; for someone who is professionally nude on the Web, she doesn't appear to be famous enough for an article. tregoweth 22:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about that. For the mere fact that her bust is definitely huge (K cups don't come around every day), I think she should be reinstated in this list. -- Jalabi99 15:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Google lists 15,600 results for Alicia 36JJ. Shouldn't we really add her to this list? Danball1976 02:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree, she really needs to stay on this list.Danball1976 02:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • 11:55 PM, December 29, 2006 RaptorZX3 I Agree too, she must stay on the list, and by the way, her full name is Alicia Loren, the same name as a well-known actress in The Sopranos. I added her full name to the Big-bust list, with (model) at the end. I've see some peoples having the same name as a well-known show-business personnality, it's only a coincidence, but the reality is here.

[edit] Suggested cleaning

I would like to suggest that models without Wikipedia articles be removed from the list. As it is, anyone could make up a name and add it without it being questioned. Being notable enough for an article seems a good threshold for inclusion on the list. Thoughts? tregoweth 22:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't be removed. They should be made into stub articles at the very least, so that others can add to them. Deleting them out of hand would not have a positive effect, since the whole point of the list is to make Wikipedians aware of them. As time permits, I will make all redlinked articles stubs at the very least; therefore, I would ask that they not be deleted yet. Please? -- Jalabi99 15:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

It's been over half a year, and I'm still seeing a lot of red-links. How do we know these people are notable - unless they have articles to match? I suggest we reconsider and remove redlinks pending articles. Rklawton 17:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Been quite awhile and several of these redlinks have gone nowhere, I deleted them to clean up the article some, probably a better format to create the stub THEN submit to here, with the intention of filling out the stub Charlam 00 22:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

That's how we do it over at the "days of the year" project. Rklawton 23:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Um... Allanah Starr...

Allanah Starr has recently been added. Whilst Allanah Starr does indeed have a sizeable bust, Allanah Starr is nevertheless a man. Google image search it if you want proof and have a strong stomach. Brings up a rather interesting question of eligibility, does it not? BobThePirate 17:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't think it's that big a deal -- s/he does trade on her large breasts as much as s/he does anything else. Though I will add a note that s/he's a transsexual. Haikupoet 16:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
    • From the lead in to the page : "This is a list of women known for modelling or performing..." So, is Allanah Starr a woman? Legally, I gather not. I'm curious as to whether Wikipedia has a policy on it. BobThePirate 17:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Assuming s/he's an American citizen, it probably isn't legally a big deal. The US is a country that legally recognizes transsexualism. Haikupoet 05:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Really? So a man can have a sex change op and then marry another man in the US? And in any case, the whole point here is that the "lady" in question isn't really a transsexual as such. "She" is a fully equipped guy with breast implants. Surely US law doesn't recognise that as a woman? btw, I don't object to her inclusion as such, I just wanted to raise the issue in case this became more common on the list without people realising. BobThePirate 15:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggest: Natsuko Tohnno

Why is Flo Jalin on here? She's not big. She's medium, compared to my two favorites, Eden Mor and Milena Velba. I want to learn German now and Hebrew or Arabic, whatever language she speaks. 64.241.230.3 20:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree Flo Jalin she should not be here

[edit] Models that are DD cup and smaller

Why on earth are models who are at least a DD cup or smaller listed? Those are not big. Danball1976 02:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

That would likely be due to the fact that there is no definitive criteria for a "big-bust model". Thus, this listing is completely subjective. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 22:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe there should be a consensus here, most websites and magazines I see consider D cup and bigger and "big-bust", and most big-bust sites and magazines don't feature women smaller than a D cup. TJ Spyke 03:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that C cups shouldn't be on the list and I have taken the liberty of deleting a few of them. Don't get me wrong, I love C cups, but I can't think of a good reason why they should be included. If anone can, by all means revert. --207.109.2.133 02:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NICE PAGE

This is almost as good as xentertainment.org thumbs up : )

[edit] Revert to former columnar format

I don't know who made the page into one long list, instead of its former, more compact columnar version. Can someone return it to that format, please? -- Jalabi99 06:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, in Internet Explorer 7, this list is one long list. In Firefox 1.5.0.7, it shows up as the columnar version. Also for some reason, any entry past "I" will move in Firefox, making it hard to click on it. Danball1976 22:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I changed the setup to a table format, 5 columns wide. Since I couldn't find an appropriate template that would make this list work as a columnar list in both Firefox and Internet Explorer, I did this way. It works very well, and it seems it'll work all the way down to 640x480 screen size.Danball1976 23:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to Boobpedia.com

i can't believe there was even a vote to delete an important resource like this! i have started a brand new wiki project just for this topic - see www.boobpedia.com

the site has just been set up and it is not open to the public yet. i am in the process of hiring a php guy to customize the look, but in the meantime please feel free to register and contribute content. it will be different from this page on wikipedia for a few reasons (beside not having to worry about deletion :) 1. it will be rated 18+ so it's possible to have nudity. i work in the industry and can get licensed pics for use. 2. links to sites where the model/porn star can be found will be allowed, making the site useful for locating anyone's favourite girl. 3. it encourages articles about any busty woman, even amateurs who give permission. so it won't be just the same old names.

so if you are passionate about boobs, come and help me out with the site! it will be the best resource for big boob fans. --Hexvoodoo 02:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


dude.. you should call it titipedia or tittypedia.. way btter.. i know.. youre welcome Lue3378 23:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetization

Why on earth is this alphabetized by people's FIRST name?? Boggled, -- Infrogmation 23:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I added a cleanup notice. If this list is considered important enough to keep, it should be in proper order. -- Infrogmation 18:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Forget that, why on earth does this page exist? - Quirk 19:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popularity of this page

This page is consistently one of our most popular pages; every time I check the top 100 most viewed pages, this list is included, along with at least twenty other sexual topics. — Deckiller 09:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

It is suggested that List of women with very long hair should be deleted. THis article has similar aim. Please help the discussion by saying something wise in the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_women_with_very_long_hair, and perhaps by voting no. Longhairadmirer 21:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Playboy List

Just wanted to call your attention to the fact that the article List of Playboy Playmates with D-cup or larger breasts has been nominated for deletion. Should this be deleted, do you think it would make sense to include that list as a subcategory of this article, which seems to stand a better chance or durviving? There seems to be some utility to a seperate playmates list (playmates are especially notable), so maybe we could keep this resource available by incorporating it here? Thoughts? Interestingstuffadder 23:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


This is a list of the Playboy magazine's Playmates of the Month with the largest breasts. For the purposes of this list, "big breasts" is defined as D-cup or larger.

"PMOY" denotes that the Playmate was also voted "Playmate of the Year".

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See also

Reference

[edit] Re Deletion Review

I'd just like to comment that I'm really pleased this article has been undeleted - not because I have any particular interest in the subject matter, but because the stark disparity between the consensus of the debate and the actions of the admin who closed it really dented my faith in the Wikipedia process. I'm heartened that I wasn't alone in that feeling and that it's been set right. FiggyBee 01:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

His actions were compliant with the consensus on wikipedia that goes beyond a single AfD debate to demand articles contain verifiable information free of original research. There are still no sources on this article. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 19:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
There are sources -- all of these actresses are marketed as big bust models and are thus targeted at individuals with a big breast fetish. How is this categorization by the industry not a verifiable source. Also, go to these models' web pages -- they almost all contain breast sizes. How is this not verifiable? There were claims in the deletion debate that porn studio claims are not credible, but where is the evidence for this? When GM says their car has 150 hp we do not second guess this on wikipedia...how can we decide to arbitrarily decide to second guess statistics provided by one industry while accepting statistics provided by multiple other industries? Even if these stats are at times questionable, a criteria based upon how these models are marketed (with some acknowledgment that the numbers may not always be correct) is verifiable. Sure, it may amount to third party opinions, but as long as there is no original research and there is a source, third party opinions are completely legit here (would it be wrong to sort politicians by self professed political ideology, for example?). Interestingstuffadder 20:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The OR part is the definition of big tits. I still don't see any source on this article to justify that line. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I just provided links to two independent bra/breast information websites that classify DD cup and larger as "large" breasts. Interestingstuffadder 20:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate articles

I draw to your attention there are two Vixen LaMoore articles. Vixen LaMoore and Vixen Lamoore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David Hain (talk • contribs) 22:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Not any more... FiggyBee 01:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is the article unsourced, or are red links allowed?

There seems to be a tacit movement here to only allow subjects who currently have articles on this list. If that's the case the list is completely sourced. Each entry has a stand-alone article, with, presumably, sources there. I suppose someone could footnote each entry on this with references from those stand-alone articles, but it seems like a wasteful duplication of work. So which is it? Are red-links (entries without articles, which would require sourcing) allowed? Or does the 'Unreferenced' tag stand. Or do we double-up work, and put the sources in both articles? Dekkappai 17:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

  • As far as I'm concerned, it's the paragraphs of text at the beginning of the page that need sourcing, not the list of names itself (as long as the article for each name in the list is properly sourced). Valrith 21:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Ah, now I see. That I can agree with. I've started a section on Japan, which I've tried to source sufficiently. I'll see if I can help on the other part later. Dekkappai 21:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question on the opening paragraph

I think there is a contradiction in the lead paragraph: "This is a list of women known for modeling or performing in big-bust adult entertainment (also known as big-boob, big-breast)—that is, magazines, videos, websites, etc., focusing on breast fetishism." And then, "For inclusion on this list, the performer should have a U.S. cup size of 'DD' or larger." It seems to me that these are two separate definitions. One is objective: A "Big Bust" performer appears in media focusing on "Big Busts." The other is subjective: "DD" or larger is "big" smaller is not. Making "DD" the cutting-off point ignores differences in race, surgical enhancement and historical time period. And unless the article is re-named "Performers of cup-size DD or larger...," it also makes this article a target for, "Who says DD is big and less is not?" arguments.

What brings this up is my interest in the Japanese adult entertainment field, and my addition of a section on Japan to place the Japanese models listed here in context. Today there is a full-fledged Big-Bust genre in Japanese adult entertainment, which is fairly similar to that in the U.S. (i.e. magazines and videos focusing specifically on "Big Busts"). However this is comparatively very recent in Japan. Nevertheless, beginning in the mid-80s there were actresses and models who made their careers off of their bust measurement. I think it's fairly safe to call a performer like 1984-debut Eri Kikuchi a "Big Bust performer," since she appeared in videos and theatrical films with titles like Eri Kikuchi: Big Tits. I've seen her cup-size reported as metric E and F. I don't know how that converts, but I doubt it's anywhere near a U.S. DD. On the other hand, an actress like Ran Masaki, who may actually have had a larger bust than Kikuchi, didn't appear in films and videos in which her bust size was the sole attraction. I would not propose including performers like Masaki or Maeda Michiko on this list simply because they were large-breasted actresses. However, I do think mention of them belongs in the introduction in order to place the Big-Bust genre in Japan in a social context.

Anyway, my point is, I think we should make the criteria for inclusion on this list, "This is a list of women known for modeling or performing in big-bust adult entertainment (also known as big-boob, big-breast)—that is, magazines, videos, websites, etc., focusing on breast fetishism." And drop the cut-and-dried size requirement. Dekkappai 19:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Wholly agreed. Valrith 04:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
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