Talk:List of alkanes

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This article was nominated for deletion on Oct. 6, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

Contents 1 Numerical prefixes (Greek vs. Latin) 2 Disputed tag 3 Additional Information 4 Merge with Alkanes 5 Removed disputed tag 6 Remove redirects to "alkane", or otherwise distinguish alkanes that have their own page

[edit] Numerical prefixes (Greek vs. Latin)

Why is nona- used in the alkane system as if it were Greek?? It isn't; it's Latin. 66.245.65.78 23:48, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ask whoever decided what these should be called. :) -- Schnee 01:45, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well, who decided what these should be called?? 66.245.108.212 23:55, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Don't ask me - maybe Google knows, though. -- Schnee 00:17, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What phrase should I search for?? 66.245.108.212 00:17, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"alkane naming conventions" or something like that, maybe. -- Schnee 02:27, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I did a Google search on that exact phrase and I got 0 results. 66.245.102.125 02:29, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Then try something else. I'm not your babysitter, y'know. :) -- Schnee 02:34, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'd say IUPAC probably decided on the naming conventions. but thats just a guess. Actually, I check it out, and Alkanes are listed under IUPAC nomenclature. It's probably like that for a reason. SECProto 19:28, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is indeed standard IUPAC nomenclature. See, for example, this page. I think this is pretty clearly correct. --Pmetzger 19:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed tag

This appears to be a listing of "normal" alkanes (i.e. unbranched alkanes). Should all of the "n-" prefixes be removed? I am going on the definition of alkanes from the Alkane page, so if anyone disagrees then it may just be a consistency issue. I am also unsure if (for example) butane is the common name for the group of IUPAC-named compounds butane and methylpropane. Perhaps this could also be clarified if the article is changed. -- postglock 05:41, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

n-Butane is different than isobutane, hence the "n-" is needed for the common name. Olin

The n prefix is not used in IUPAC or CAS nomenclature; I think we should drop it. Itub 15:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that's why the column title is "Common Name" instead of "IUPAC Name". dil 04:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that the point needs to be made somewhere at the top of the list that this is a list of unbranched alkanes. Otherwise, it makes it seem as though these are the only alkanes in existence. 144.96.68.14 01:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)ShimDaddy

I've noted that these are "straight-chain" alkanes on the page. Should we also say "unsubstituted"? Also, perhaps the page name should be changed if this is going to be strictly the unsubstituted straight chain alkanes. --Pmetzger 19:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree - either the name of the page should be changed to reflect that these are the unbranched alkanes or branched (and cyclic) alkanes should be included as well. Incorporating the non-linear ones may make the list prohibitively large, so I would probably vote for a name change. dil 20:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Information

Does anyone see any value in adding additional information to this table e.g. CAS numbers? dil 20:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Alkanes

I realize the deletion request was in the past, but couldn't this be merged with alkane? Olin

If it were merged into alkane, would it be proper to include some kind of list of branched alkanes to go with this one? dil 04:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be better to leave this article seperate; there are just too many alkanes to include in the alkane article. Also, I don't see what is disputed about this page, but I'll take a closer look. Fuzzform 23:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Since my proposal seems to have a negative response, I'll remove the merger notice. Olin 03:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed disputed tag

I've just removed the disputed tag. It's too silly to label an article as "factual accuracy disputed" just because we are discussing which nomenclature system to use. The names with or without the n prefix are both accurate; the only difference is that only the latter is the IUPAC name (but the article doesn't claim anything about the nomenclature system used). Itub 02:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove redirects to "alkane", or otherwise distinguish alkanes that have their own page

Having every molecule that lacks its own article link back to the alkane page just makes it hard to see which alkanes DO have their own page.

Agreed. Suggest remove redirects to 'alkane'. This is a misuse of the redirect system. 'Tetradecane' is not another word that means 'alkane', it is a particular compound. Either we do have an article on it or we don't. If we don't, it's better that it's clear there is no article on it. ralmin 04:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)