Talk:List of Volkswagen engines

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Contents 1 Older engines 2 What about the flat 4 engines? 3 1.9 SDI/TDI 4 Reorganisation 5 Split 6 Names 7 2.7T 8 Engine Data 9 Engines developed by subsidiaries prior to submission

[edit] Older engines

Engines that are no longer assembled in any Volkswagen model are listed in the list of discontinued Volkswagen engines Here you will find the engines from the years 1974 up to 2005 you are missing. The data tables of the older engines, flat four and the middle pressure engines of the VW K 70 are unknown und if someone knows them, please edit them to the list of discontinued Volkswagen engines. By the way the flat four engines are no longer assembled in any VW model in any country. In Brasil is now an EA 111 engines assembled in the microbus. [[1]]

[edit] What about the flat 4 engines?

What about the air cooled flat 4 engines that were in the Beetle, Vanagon, Microbus and other models? Look and edit them to list of discontinued Volkswagen engines By the way: There is no Vokswagen flat 4 engine build around the world. The last flat 4 is reverted by the EA111 engine in the bus in brasil [2]

[edit] 1.9 SDI/TDI

Two different TDI 1.9 engines say 6xkW, one is 60+hp and one is 90+hp. This can't be right. Some of the numbers are wrong. I don't know which ones.

My bad, its 64bhp for the SDI version (thats 48kW) - Mark J Fisher 19:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganisation

I've done a major reorganisation for clarity. Since two months, I'm a regular editor of this page, and addition after addition, organisation was lacking. I don't know every model number so I couldn't continue in this way. So I ordered engines by

1. Energy (Petrol/Diesel)
2. Number of cylinders
3. Power and displacement of the model

It could be nice to keep no more than three tiers, but I don't have the best ideas in the world.

For the future, when this list will be overloaded, it could be interesting to split it up into List of VW [Diesel/Petrol] engines and/or list of VW [current/discontinued] engines --Marc Lacoste 22:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work, Marc! I propose splitting the engines into their own articles if we can find unique/correct names for them. See for example List of Nissan engines. --SFoskett 14:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

If we can't split the article, we need to keep in mind this list is a mess and needs to be pared down to displacements. It'll be easier to maintain, and it'll be easier to read. Pc13 15:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you found it useful. I'm not sure about dispatching this list into multiple sub-articles, see beside --Marc Lacoste 20:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split

• model articles can't be relevant: even if you and me do our best to put information on each type of engine, it's often a collection of facts rather than a complete article. It isn't prose, with the history of the model, the name of his engineers, their conditions of work... material to write a complete article, but 1. construction 2. output 3. applications. They can't be complete articles, the ones which could be featured.
• the list is useful in itself: The list made possible comparison between models directly. The mass of information and illustrations are pleasant. It's only 35.4 kB now.
• first split: I will be glad if we split it up into two sections: diesel and petrol. Clarity ensues, but information density is good.
• maintainability: I completely agree with Pc13, we need to keep out the deadlinks through redirections and we need to keep a List of Volkswagen engines with limited info.
• correct names: I don't think we can find correct names fast, so i propose to continue to use the commercial names --Marc Lacoste 20:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I've done a preview of want I was thinking with List of Volkswagen AG petrol engines and List of Volkswagen AG diesel engines glued by List of Volkswagen AG engines. I added the AG because these are Volkswagen group engines, including Audi engines for example. --Marc Lacoste 21:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Because of Lack in interest (including me) and difficult maintainability, I redirected those thre new pages to this one. We could reconsider a split for another time. --Marc Lacoste 20:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names

I've though about grouping the engines together by engine codes, but found it impossible. As you all can see here, the AUB and AUD are a 1.4L straight-4 petrol, the AUC is a 1.0L straight-4 petrol, but the AUF is a 2.5L straight-5 Diesel. Similarly, the AEA and AEE are a 1.6L straight-4 petrol, the AEB is a 1.8L straight-4 petrol, but the AEC is a 4.2L V8 and the AEF a 1.9L straight-4 Diesel. --Pc13 13:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

This link is great. But even if we know all the codes, this information is less important than the commercial designation. We should add it, but I still use a 1.9 TDI passat, not a AHH passat :)--Marc Lacoste 17:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Grouping by commercial designation may not be appropriate. For example, there are two 1.6L engines, one with 1595cc, and one 1598cc. The first is related to the larger 1.8L and 2.0L, and the second to the smaller 1.0L and 1.4L. Pc13 00:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

the commercial designation used (mostly me) for now includes the output i.e. 130hp 1.9 TDI for more precision, that's the way VW marketes his models (Golf TDI 130). In my mind it's more useful for the reader to search for the common designation, then who indicates the model number, and learn there is different 1.6L with different ascendance. For example, it was hard to find the 1.9 TDI 90 in the list you pointed. --Marc Lacoste 22:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

But the designations TDI 90 or TDI 130 are not used by Audi, Skoda or SEAT. In addition, there isn't much diference between the different 1.8T engines that they need different headings. It would be better to have a paragraph detailing how VW has different power outputs. Likewise for the 1.9 TDI. And the 1.6 8-valve and 1.6 16-valve are different designs, so that should be covered. In my view it is imperative to discover the correct names of the engine families. Pc13 21:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2.7T

This engine is listed under the 190-some HP engine, but the 2.7T used in the Audi A6 indeed has 250 hp, and uses a twin-turbo system. "2.7T" shouldn't be listed under the 190hp version.

The 2.7T is not longer assembled in any VW or Audi Type. Take a look in list of discontinued Volkswagen engines. Here are all versions listed from the base 230hp up to the RS 4 380hp! The base of this engine and the 2.5TDI (V6) is the 2.8 (2771ccm) block.

[edit] Engine Data

Trust my sources or don´t. Most of my sources are released in german papers as the "auto, motor und sport", the engine paper for engineers "mtz-Motortechnische Zeitschrift" and some other releases which are not based on internet sources. Greetings to Marc from Tualin...

[edit] Engines developed by subsidiaries prior to submission

If this is a list of "automobile engines that Volkswagen or its subsidiaries uses today", then shouldn't it include the engines used in Lamborghinis and Bentleys? Or is this list only for engines developed by VAG that are still being installed into vehicles made by Volkswagen or its subsidiaries?

The Lamborghini V12 engine used in the Murcielago and the Bentley (formerly Rolls-Royce) V-8 used in the Arnage and the upcoming Azure should be represented if this is a list of "automobile engines that Volkswagen or its subsidiaries uses today".

Respectfully, SamBlob 21:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It´s a mixture of all engines that are installed in actually Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda, Seat vehicles. So i´ve edit the Lamborghini and the Bentley-Cosworth V8 into the List. Greatings from Tualin...

It looks like the V10 used in the Gallardo is missing too. Is it OK to just copy the specs from the linked article? Or should it be merged with the Audi V10 based on the Lambo V10? Conquerist 14:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)