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[edit] What's happening with this page!?
When I try to access List of University of Oxford people the page ends very prematurely like this:
- [[[Randall Thomas Davidson]] (Trinity)
<a href="/wiki/John_
When I try List of Oxford University people it works fine. What's happening and will it get sorted out?--Oxonian2006 12:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Solution?
Why not list all the colleges with which a person has been associated as a member of the Junior, Middle (=Graduate etc), or Senior Common Room? Hence Paul S. Fiddes would appear with St Peter's and Regent's Park, and Anthony Kenny with St Benet's Hall, Balliol, and St John's, obviosuly using common sense to leave out minor appointments (e.g. Lecturer) somebody (such as Kenny) may have held at other colleges.
To clarify, a Fellow (or Student of Christ Church) is not really a graduate student, except in the sense that he/she is a graduate and also a student in the broadest possible sense of the term (i.e. one who studies). Further, one is, unless some rare and drastic action is taken, a member of both college (or PPH) and university for life. One does not even need to be a matriculated member of the university to be an official member of a college, e.g. JYA students, who do not matriculate but are often entitled to sign the college register. The fact that somebody did not take a degree does not make them any less Oxonian. Nobody was more of an Oxonian than John Betjeman, who failed his Pass degree (not Divvers as commonly thought), and did not graduate until several decades later when he supplicated for an honorary DLitt. --Oxonian2006 13:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] College Links
Can we provide links to the various colleges? -- Zoe
- Do you mean internal links to their articles or external links to their official webpages or both? Whichever way, I think that's a great idea. Please go ahead -- they're all in the University of Oxford article, so you can open it for editing and copy them from there. (Having had the pleasure of gathering them all onto that page, I leave the fun of copying them here to someone else.) -- isis 07:33 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
I was hoping somebody who actually knows the colleges and what their Wikipedia names are could handle that. :-) -- Zoe
- How about we find someone who wants to run their edit-count up and let them do it one link at a time? -- isis 07:52 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Student or Don? - or both!
Are the colleges in brackets only supposed to be those where they were students? I saw that some people were listed with more than one college, and clicked on one at random - Barbara Levick. Her article says that she was a student at St. Hugh's College, Oxford, but a Fellow at St. Hilda's College, Oxford. So should we (a) remove names of colleges where people weren't students, or (b) rename the page to something more general, like List of notable Oxonians or the like? I'll leave it up to you. Oh, and I'll help with the linking when I have a bit more spare time (after my exams...) -- Oliver PEREIRA 08:06 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
- I'd rather it be only where they were students, but I'm not absolutely sure a "fellow" isn't a graduate student of sorts (in the U.S., fellows are people on fellowships, and they ARE students), but I'd just as soon take it out, because this is only a list, and once you go to her link you get the other info anyhow. (I do question whether she's all that "notable", however, since I've never heard of her, but that's a different issue.) But the main purpose of the list is for people who are strongly associated with Oxford in history but weren't students there all that long (or seriously), like Lord Alfred Douglas, and if you try changing the name of the list, you'll run into the same problem with having Richard Burton on it that made Deb take it out of the Oxford University article, altho she did not take the corresponding list out of the Cambridge University article. -- isis 08:35 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
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- I know that at Cambridge, once you've matriculated, you are a member of the university for life, even if you drop out. I don't know if that's the same for Oxford, but I would have thought so, and so people who dropped out would probably still be "Oxonians". But I agree, it keeps things simpler to just restrict it to students. By the way, in UK universities, a Fellow is a member of the academic staff, so they wouldn't be students. -- Oliver PEREIRA 09:05 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
- In the U.S. (at least back when I was in grad school), most fellowships required either research or teaching (and carried a salary or "stipend" for it), and teaching fellows were academic staff (but perhaps not faculty), but then much/most teaching of undergraduates was done by graduate students instead of professors. I think you're right that in the U.K. fellows are faculty who hold appointments rather like a "chair" (or professorship) in the U.S., which is for a professor instead of a grad student, so we should probably stay clear of the issue for this list. -- isis 08:26 Jan 29, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Scott Shaw
Recently added to "Novelists, Poets and Playwrights". Any source for this? No mention of any Oxford connection either on Wikipedia (Scott Shaw), or on his website. Flapdragon 14:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Christian Baileys
Can any one provide me with information about Christian Baileys (Lincoln Group) time at Oxford, when he was there, when he graduated, contacts that might be willing to speak about him? Email me at homemagic4u@aol.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.199.24.163 (talk • contribs) , at 04:15, 14 December 2005.
[edit] Non-entities
Pages like this are a magnet for jokers or vanity edits, and of the various red links some look non-notable to me. Can I suggest that if you must add a red link you should add a very brief summary of why the person is notable? But far better is to create at least a a stub article for the link to go to. Flapdragon 15:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Geoffrey of Monmouth
Any room for 12th century alumni? 70.20.216.43 05:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Oxford People Stubs
Stubs with rudimentary biographical detail on Oxford notables are unnecessary when they can be incorporated into this list more succinctly. Netkinetic/T/C/@ 06:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
